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How are you going to get the ATV out when you reach your destination? It would be a pain to get a flat and have to remove the ATV to get the spare, but if you are hauling an ATV, chances are you have a couple of planks of wood (the poor-man's ramp) or ramps with you. If only they had the built-in ramps like the dodge concept, that's a great idea.

The Avalanche does have a TQ and HP advantage, but the lighter weight and better gearing of the Ridgeline allow it to accelerate quicker without a big load. The Avalanche gains the advantage when a significant amount of weight is added or a heavy trailer. 1) Isn't that part of the running boards? 2) Missed that. 3) Abbreviated DRL 4) Got that dusk-auto detect 5) Standard on Ridgeline as well. 6) Unibody. 7) That is an option on the Ridgeline (standard on the RTX model though) 8 ) Standard on Ridgeline as well. 9) Aye 10) Two words: BlondeStar (google it) 11) Edmunds says that's an option. A few things I missed on the Ridgeline list: Side air bags and Side curtain airbags with rollover sensor. Heated driver and passenger seats. Three free months of XM radio It really does come down to your needs. If you're towing motorcyles, ATV's, etc, the Ridgeline is sufficient. If you're towing a good sized boat or a Jeep, the Ridgeline can get by, but the Avalanche will do better. I am more keen to the daily use, so the extra towing and hauling ability of the Avalanche isn't too impressive when you look at all of the luxury and safety features the Ridgeline has. I did select the LT1, but even with the LT2's 6-cd player, remote, and auto climate control, you're still lacking a lot of nice features. Features like Navigation with voice recognition, subwoofer, heated seats, and safety features like traction control and side air bags to name a few. The Avalanche has less luxury features, probably equal ride quality, and a large compromise in on-road handling (watch the 3rd video in that site I linked and tell me if an Avalanche can do that :AH-HA_wink:). The Avalanche does offer much better towing/hauling ability, but as far as utility goes, they both have unique and useful features. The biggest advantage I see with the Avalanche is 4wd low, which is useful for off-roading or towing up a steep grade at slow speeds (like a launch ramp). But other than that, the Ridgeline's AWD system is not limiting when towing (it is an active system, and is always transferring power to the rear when accelerating). How many of these vehicles will see more than just mild off-roading (like a dirt trail)? Of those, how much of their time will be spent on the road vs off? Considering the Ridgeline's full-time AWD system and traction control and it's big advantage on the road (where there are other people and safety is a bigger issue), I would definately give the advantage to the Ridgeline.

Thank you cmattson for actually taking the time to put together that post. Just one quick correction, the Avalanche is rated to 15/20 for the 4WD version, and it isn't full-time. I'm also wondering if that rating comes from it being used in 2 Hi mode. That is still good mileage though when considering the weight of the Avalanche. Avalanche definately wins in towing/hauling. Again, I don't think anybody here is arguing that. Let's compare features. This is all based off of Edmund's comparison, and I only list what is standard. The Avalanche has a number of options that aren't available on the Ridgeline, but it's already more expensive as it is. Things the Avalanche (LT 1500 4dr 4WD, $36,390 after destination) has standard the Ridge doesn't: 4wd - the major advantage of the Avalanche (other than the engine) is the 4wd low mode, something the Ridgeline also sorely needs. Although in most daily driving conditions, people will use the 2HI mode Running boards Tonneau Cover Simulated Wood Ventilated Rear Discs (Ridge's rear disc are not ventilated) One-touch power windows for passenger (only on driver's for Ridge) retained accessory power DRL and dusk-auto detect 6-yr rust warranty (5-yr on Ridge) Edit: 1-yr free Onstar Things the Ridgeline (RTL 4dr AWD w/Leather and Navi, $35,490 after destination) has the Avalanche doesn't: 5-speed Auto full-time AWD with Braking assist and Traction control DVD navigation with voice activation 6-cd player w/ 7 speakers and subwoofer Anti-theft alarm with remote Power moonroof Automatic climate control w/ Air filtration Aux Transmission cooler 8-way driver adjustable seat (Avalanche is 6) & Lumbar support Passenger Heated Seat Speed-proportioning power steering 3 rear headrests (2 on Avalanche) 5-yr drivetrain warranty (3-yr on Avalanche) Edit: Side air bags and Side curtain airbags with rollover sensor. Heated driver and passenger seats. Three free months of XM radio Is it just me or does the Ridgeline blow away the Avalanche in features (price for price)? Unless Edmunds has some seriously messed up information that is.

I don't recall arguing that. If you read my post, I left out exterior and interior appearance since they are completely subjective. LOTS of mexicans.

You're right, Toyota Tundra all the way. Moving forward!

Have you driven a Ridgeline? The guys at TOV have, on an AutoX course to boot (as well as an RL), they even have video's. It handles remarkably well for a truck or SUV, thanks to its independant suspension & unibody. You'll probably find just about every mag that has reviewed it comment on how it handles like an Accord. Styling is subjective, neither one is better, they're both mediocre in my opinion. A bit of an overstatement? So if there are two people in the Ridgeline it suddenly becomes a dog? Well you're right there, but that still doesn't mean one isn't faster than the other. Unfortunately performance times for trucks are hard to find. I found a 0-60 of 8.0 sec and 1/4-mile of 16.2 sec @ 86 mph at Car and Driver for the Ridgeline, but can't find times for the newer Avalanches. Only an 8.7s 0-60 from Motor Trend for a 2002 model, and MT usually has slower times than other mags. Care to elaborate?

Oh yeh, because a body shop can fix a bent chassis. Does it? Or does it just tow/haul better? Does it have more features, better safety rating, better resale value, better mileage (when not towing), better handling, better acceleration (when not towing), better braking, better build quality, and better ride quality?

They should have put spinner wheel covers on it to make it complete. You guys are both wrong. The solution to both problems is a hammer.

I am simply commenting on that, not trying to restate it. I did miss the part about the tow mode. That is definately a feature they need to add.

I thought about this some more. It says in the article he left it in normal D (which uses all 5 gears), since the manual didn't specify otherwise. If he had put it into D4, or even D3, I'm willing to bet he would have seen better mileage. Even cruising on the freeway would probably see better mileage in 4th gear. Does the Ridgeline offer a tow mode where it holds each gear to a higher rpm before it shifts? If it doesn't, it should. Having the automatic shift too early will put a huge strain on the engine and possibly lug it, causing horrible mileage like that and cruddy acceleration. Counter to what a lot of people think, keeping the rpm's high can and usually does result in better mileage, as long as the throttle is kept about the same. That is, with smaller displacement engines.

Actually, I was saying that the Avalanche does indeed having a higher Haul rating as well as Tow rating, since the 1,550 lbs is a "Total" amount on the Ridgeline, while the Avalanche's 1,300 +/- lbs rating includes passengers and cargo. How much extra that is I don't know, since they don't have a Total cargo rating on their site. This was more in responce to the "bent" Ridgeline 76ChevyTrucker said he saw. It really doesn't matter. The Avalanche is a tougher vehicle, with a bigger engine and a higher tow and haul rating. The Ridgeline has more features, is safer, and is "tougher" in a crash (but not when it comes to towing or hauling so much).

I suppose your definition of a "real man" is someone who wears tight jeans, a flanel coat, and cowboy hat, huh? Do you know the total payload capacity of the Avalanche? The Avalanche is rated 1,258 lbs to 1,337 lbs depending on trim including "weight of driver, passengers, optional equipment and cargo". The Ridgeline is rated to 1,550 lbs total capacity, 1,100 lbs including passengers and cargo. I couldn't find the total capacity of the Avalanche on their website. I'm sure the Avalanche can haul more though. andretti just got the numbers mixed up, since it says 1,550 lbs on the main page of Honda's Ridgeline site, but if you click on Towing/Hauling info, it says 1,100 lbs.

And you didn't get a picture? Must have been a couple really overweight Americans sitting in the back seats...

I've seen some woman stuff a lot of clothes into those bags.... If it was a big weekend sale at Macy's, discount sweaters alone could exceed the 1,550 lbs payload capacity, not to mention shoes. Edit: Can you imagine what wouldve happened if they took the Corolla? Three words... jaws of life. Edit 2: And if they took a BOF truck, they would have probably rolled it!

That is bad. That doesn't look like a very heavy jeep either. He must have been going uphill the whole way :AH-HA_wink:

Well I don't claim to know a thing about aircraft. I was just wondering if there was a company like R&T that does "road tests" for these jets. It sounds like there is, which is good. I don't think Honda's reputation is going to help that much when trying to sell their airplanes (unless they have VTEC ), so the planes are going to have to do considerably better than the competition to make people switch. It certainly looks nice, but it should since it's new.

At first, I didn't like the new front end. But it's growing on me. There are 3 WRX STI's driving around my neighborhood, I see all 3 of them (one black, one silver, one dark metallic) almost everyday to/from work. I still don't like the tails.

It's Hyundai's Relax mode, but it only fits oddly shaped Korean people or small children.... har har

This jet is supposed to have many features (& better mileage) that put it above current offerings in its class. Only time will tell, not sure if there are companies like Road & Track that do jet comparisons, lol :AH-HA_wink: Here is a much larger article with specifications and more information.

This thing is hideous, makes the last gen Si look good.

I did see one of these yesterday. I thought it was an older Accent with aftermarket tails. This is a new model? It doesn't look too good, looks like it's from the 90's. Typical ugly Korean styling (or lack there of). Maybe Hyundai is trying the retro look?

I think this should go in the other guys section, as it isn't specific to Asian makes. I find it funny that they put a 2006 Civic for the picture on the "Multiple Manufacturer Components" recalls, where they list 10 different models, 3 of which are Toyota's, and didn't give a break down as to how many for each. And the recall reason: "Affects some combination head-lamp assemblies that are sold as replacement lamps for use on certain passenger vehicles. Some combination lamps are not equipped with amber side reflectors. These lamps fail to conform to federal motor-vehicle safety standards." That is about the dumbest recall I've ever heard of. I wonder how many people were actually effected by this? I can't imagine the dealer installing replacement headlamps and not noticing that the orange reflector is missing. And according to that description, it didn't even effect new cars, as it was lamps sold as replacements only (something they missed on the main page of that article).

Drive a Fit Sport 5sp Auto lately? They make an Auto more fun to drive and give the driver more control. Not having to rely on the Auto to select the gear or having to tap/smash the throttle to get it to down shift. I wouldn't be surprised if it does turn out to be a trend on non-sports cars. Even for SUV's it's a nice feature, as long as it is implemented well (like being able to stay in Auto mode, but still use the paddle shifters for down shifts, without having to switch modes).

They spent all the money on that big subwoofer, they only had spare cardboard and some fabric laying around to finish the rear seats... =) No comment on the headrest shape.