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I should be a member shortly. I've been in ASME for a long time, but somehow just glanced over this for a while...

Completely agree with you Roger, as I said in my PM, for your uses, a little old lady, lower mileage car would probably be the best bet. I've actually been drawn in by a LOT of these cars over the years, but sometimes it's just best to take a step back, and really think about what you want or could really use. For a lower price, this could be a great car, and could be one for a very long time, but at 13 years and almost 200k, it's still a car and could have issues. I'd keep a check in on this one to see if it ever sells or how much lower he might think of going, but otherwise just keep an eye out casually, especially since it's not really a need right now. Choices are actually getting more limited with time, especially being a fairly rare car, but they still pop up. I'd still be interested in seeing this black one, at least up close, for the heck of it. And again, I'd be more than willing to give you a look-see around mine whenever, go for a ride/drive, etc., so you can really see what one's like. You're very welcome for the assistance :AH-HA_wink:

Gee, guys...C&D picks a GM for the top spot, and all is well in the world. Wait until the next comparo when one gets mid-pack and all will be calling their bluff and saying "X..." paid them. Doesn't work that way, and if the merits are there, the merits are there. That said, GREAT thing, and I can't wait to read it. Sounds like a logical breakdown, even if the Ford is still a very good truck, and the Titan is still stingy in the overall solidity category.

Yes, all this is essentially showing is the late addition of the extra chrome outside trim and wood cupholder on Av LTZ's, as was already intro'd on the Tahoe/Suburban LTZ's a couple of months ago. Essentially because a loaded LT3 looked and was, for all intensive purposes aside from the Autoride, identical to an LTZ--so they added a few unique touches to set them apart.

No, not necessarily, a Z71 can have the same wheels as any other regular model, and on the GMC there's only 17's or 20's--no 18's like the Chevy.

Not jumping to any conclusions, but one well known fact, for YEARS, has always been how extremely oversensitive Toyota makes their traction and stability control programs, to the level that it sometimes is even hard to drive normally on a gravel driveway. Not always the case, and seems better now, but it's definitely been an issue. Couple that with what is, really, quite a featherlight of a car, and standard low resistance tires, and you're going to have some traction issues. BUT, again, all that said, it's not everyone, and I have a friend with an '04 that's driven it through everything, and never had an issue--and still loves the car.

Yes, trully unique and cool cars when optioned heavily, and in immaculate shape, for sure. The dark cherry colored one in the second picture belonging to a fellow Cadillac and general auto industry aficionado I know quite well. His is one of the BEST examples around of this car EVER, sitting in storage and hardly touched, only enough to keep it running and looking like new--I believe it still has right around 10k miles on it. I LOVE his perfect white leather interior, a lot. Here's a GREAT thread he started, as well, to detail all the information about them: http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...ils-asking.html And more pictures of his car: http://www.smatarese.com/forum/sandy/ I've never been a big fan of the somewhat common and FWD Devilles of this era, but this package and certain options really took it to a special level.

I have to say, I love those, and nearly everything about them...but I REALLY can't imagine a young kid getting one with a stick, when they aren't yet knowledgeable of one. That's asking for big trouble, especially with a lease--you do your learning on an old stick car, not something brand new. Hopefully he's a quick learner, and doesn't kill too much clutch or otherwise. Then again, my dad has an older uncle who buys a new small pickup every 5 or so years, and always a stick, but he STILL can't drive one for the life of him.

Tell me about it...I try my best to give people daggers when I see them doing it, but they usually jump in their car too quick before I can say anything. Lately, with the cold, there are carts EVERYWHERE and it's like a dodgeball game in the parking lot. I love lazy morons, really.

Great find, and I hope it works out well. Now, ahem, anyone want to talk about my $44,000+ a year tuition and room & board? Yeah, I guess not

Still kind of pulling a few dumb points out just for the heck of it, but a fun read overall. I'll still stay in the majority that likes the "different-ness" of the Tundra quite a bit, while also respecting the great precision of things and model selection of the GM's. But like said, this is what NEEDS to be on a commercial, and enough of the stupid driving down a desert back road...direct comparisons provoke interest, good or bad, while self boasting only gets a more limited following.

Hee-hee, I get around :AH-HA_wink:

I just talked to the seller for you, and sent you a PM with all the details :AH-HA_wink:

Very common, ESPECIALLY with dealer swaps, and even more so this week with the extra incentives that are making people jump on them like crazy. It usually works out, and often another one will pop up out of nowhere if they keep searching, so you can still hope.

Sounds great, and despite what some people had speculated, the pricing on the Enclave is terrific even in comparison to the GMC and Saturn.

Well, now that we actually haven't had a FWD vehicle for 7 years--all RWD V8 GM's--it would be a little strange, but after driving one I really could care less. Traction or driving wise, we've only ever bought 2wd's with rear lockers in the trucks, so with a crossover it would be FWD for sure. And on the other point, you're in the minority, because while I can see the benefit of a larger and heavier SUV/truck that's BOF for heavier duty use and towing, MOST people (us included) never ever use it for anything more than 1 person daily commuting, so it's just excess. So when you can get the same things you like--great style, comfortable seating height and space, and still also combine that with a more "friendly" daily package, it's no wonder why crossovers are winning big. There will always be a market for original SUV's, even if the smaller ones die off in favor of only large ones, but there will also continue to be an increasing number of people who find the crossovers perfect.

Fun. Yeah, actually mine first saw the Enclave when I was home one weekend and had Motorweek on, as they were showing the Enclave concept driving around. She stopped what she was doing and even told my father to look at it, so I thought that was definitely a sign. Then more recently, I just showed her the Acadia for the first time, which she liked but now thinks they might be small based on pictures, and then the Enclave which didn't get nearly the reaction it did before--essentially said it was nice too, but "I just really love the aggressive front ends on the Tahoe & Suburban, and like my Avalanche used to have. And I'm just not sure yet I'm ready to move down from the Suburban yet." Weird, but as was with past cars, I usually know what will be perfect, and once I get her in to actually see one, it's not very hard from there. There's still something about the Tahoe/Yukon she REALLY, REALLY likes--especially having had 2 GMT-800's and knowing all about the new designs and improvements--it's just the pricing level that again is a bit exorbitant, especially compared to the Lambda's, and the space/seating issues. But all fun, and I love getting someone else to buy a new car, haha. Actually, at this rate, she likely will keep the Suburban a full 4 or 5 years, and the choices will be even more enticing then. Any idea whether you'd go FWD/AWD or what kind of options level, yet? I've already built and priced the perfect Enclave on KBB, and the choices are the best of all the Lambda's.

Congrats! And yes, the current week or so is proving to be VERY busy for buyers and dealers alike, trying to find the closest match vehicles ASAP and get the very limited time 0% and also other bonuses--the Saturn guys are experiencing the same thing. Though small, the current incentives are certainly giving them one heck of a boosted start to something that was already strong. As more people try them out in person and drive them, it'll only get stronger, even with current import people--there seems to be a LOT of Honda and Acura trades coming in (lots of MDX's, for example). Same with big GM ute's. Very telling details :AH-HA_wink:

Lots of things...how well they sold new and how much or how little incentives there were, how high production numbers were, how the quality reputation is, etc. Just a lot of things, though with GM it seems to be a combo of semi slow sales and larger incentives in the beginning, combined with lots of fleet (i.e. rental and government) sales that knock them down a bit--but it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. They're keeping production more closely in check, as well as keeping sticker prices down, and quality is some of the best ever, so some of the latest GM models are actually doing VERY well from a resale point of view.

VERY cool! My mother is nearing 3 years with her '04 Suburban (strangely, the longest she's owned any of the last 4 vehicles), and is out of warranty. Nothing is wrong with it at all, but she keeps saying she WANTS a new Tahoe even though it probably wouldn't fit the budget. So, on my part, I've been trying to lean her towards an Acadia or Enclave after driving one, and seeing how perfect one would be for her, but she hasn't bit yet. Likes the price, and is good with the looks, but seems to think they're a lot smaller than they really are and that she just isn't ready to step down from such a beast yet. We'll see. Package and price wise, a FWD Enclave CX would be PERFECT for her, and a wonderful crossover, but I don't think I'll make much progress on the convincing until she actually sees some in person or I can get her to drive one. On a side note, seems there's an increasing amount of big GM ute's being traded in for Lambda's, for obvious reasons. At least each does target different markets now, and it'll be interesting to see how each line does in years to come.

Very much so, and from my one drive alone, that should be the deal sealer above all--absolutely terrific drive and quality, and clearly had money, time, and skill put into the design in spades.

The true sign of how good (or at least impactful) this commercial is IS the fact that people now want it to be banned. Sorry, but it's just a well made piece and both makes a point and is funny in the end, so get a life and a proper thought process and go sit in your dark closet if it offends you

Like said, it was just traded in...not uncommon at all, after a car purchase. And I too the new color!

And that's still a very valid point, for sure. It's just that most people with such needs go directly to a Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban or Expedition anymore, and simply skip right over the smaller TB/Envoy/Explorer. For a lot of people, myself included, I could see and fit the smaller size, but anymore, that market has just croaked.

The short models are outdated enough, and with the bad sales of the long ones, it wasn't worth prolonging the pain. Seems a few miss them, but there's not been any outcry, and a lot of current short and long wheelbase GMT-360 owners are already looking towards a Lambda. Better to do more of where the market is turning, than try and just build things that are dying off because a few buyers still want them.