Teh Ricer Civic!

being? its already mapped. now study into specific ones continues.

"rule" = most common statistic. remember, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. but joking aside, thats what the data shows, depending on socio-economic class etc everything is different, its really amazing to see that no matter how much things change, they more they stay the same (in some regards). i know many "exceptions" too. and "traditional" refers to the most common type of family prior to WWII (for the majority of human history actually) - that is the FAMILY (extended family) is the primary group, they do everything together in an extended family (such as working the farm), this structure started wavering as people moved to the cities... but it really fell apart after WW2, creating the "nuclear" family. i am not saying this is bad its just interesting to see how things change. It should also be noted that now-days it usually takes 2 parents working to afford and maintain a house than 1 parent could have been able to afford in the 60s when women were only starting to become a vitally needed component of the workforce. once again, is this bad? not at all, if anything it just shows how little the dollar goes these days, and how unequal things still are between the sexes- females still tend to do all the housework, which... despite all the fancy "time saving" equipment still takes roughly 40 hours a week to do (the same amount of time as in the 60s!), however, statistics also reveal that in upper-middle class families its becomes more common for a husband and wife to split up household duties, and become more equal. The best part about this (primarly sociology) is that there is always people who go against the odds to become what most people view as a productive member of society. it is THESE people that will hopefully one day lead our nation to an era where we arent so restricted by our culture (In fact, out of tolerances for "normal" behaviour, America is one of the most restrictive!!) and more important the stiffling of critical thinkers. What exactly is the "ideal" family? Did it ever exist? probably never exisited, thats why culture evolves to meet current demands, but many think that as far as the family goes, it hasnt been good. the point of this thread is just to see what everyone thinks about our current state of culture. the beauty of sociology is that it is not concerned with peoples emotions about it, but rather the Pros and Cons of our ways. it has a way of making people see things in a wholly different light, it is based heavily in scientific method and data.- truely a fascinating field.

Relating to Flybrian... Even with the statistics against you, you managed to come out a good productive member of society huh? Yep, theres always the "exception" to the rule. And Flybrian's story just prooves that a single father/mother can come up with ways to ensure a childs good upbringing, instead of giving up. And, i believe, should be an inspiration of single parents everywhere. In relation to NOS... never thought of it that way, although im primarly getting at splitting of family from an Extended family -> Nuclear family -> both parents filling economic rolls and children in daycare families.

i saw a Carmenghia (spelling?) AND... an old Mustang (67?) with a 289 AND a manual... i rarely ever see those.

-- This thread will not tolerate flaming of any kind, it is intended to be a "civilized argument" encouraging critical thinking that lends itself to further evolving and refining our world. It focuses mainly on American Culture (the fastest growing culture in history) however foreign cultural views are more than welcome, as everything lends insight. To kick it off... Modern American Culture has evolved so rapidly that America is losing its cohesiveness, and is slowly destroying the traditional place of the family. What is your opinion on this relatively new trend (post WW2)? Is this good or bad? what are its consequences? what does it provide to our society? Remember nothing is bad unless society deems it so http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons//AH-HA_wink.gif

Actually, i wish to retract my previous statement of Natural selection, it has no bearing on this topic whatsoever, and i apologize for any offence this may have caused. I would however like to make a topic about Culture, its affects and consequences if any1 would wish to join

Theres a difference between some one making a blind lash against something, than someone stating a historical and scientific view (albiet upon further reflection of my post its most likely a flawed one).... one whose only goal is to learn how others think. now i must ask you is it bad that i wish to learn from others by stating something that i know will draw a responce? if i was blinded by faith or however you want to call it like many anti-homosexual groups are, i would most likely have said some rude comment and then gotten into a flaming war. BUT that is not my goal.

Yeah, im sorry, that was a vague statement. Culture today is accepting of homosexuals. however in the past... it was not the case.

No... i said culture is what helps. culture allows humanity to do in 5 years what evolution would take 5000 years. If the "norm" is to produce offspring with women, then even the homosexuals tend to do this out of fear of being rejected... case in point Alexander the Great. all i am saying, is that it is impossible to reproduce without the opposite sex, thats it. and by "their own line" im referring to the family line. So, obviously, if you dont have sex with a member of the opposite sex there is no hope of continuing the family line, and thusly it vanishes from the face of the earth. im looking a this from a scientific view cause im weird like that, not from any emotional bias. natural selection, by definition, selects the strongest and most capable of reproducing as those that survive. hopefully that clears things up a bit, and like i said earlier i mean no harm

36mph HIGHWAY????? how cant it get 2x its city mileage under any conditions?

I hear dropping the clutch is a quick solution to a stall with a manual http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons//AH-HA_wink.gif not to mention its hella fun. :P

in all thruth, it is culture that has allowed homosexuals to exist to this day, as natural selection would have largely eradicated homosexuals, just because they cannot continue their line (where culture is an extension of evolution, allowing to continuation AKA taking a wife even if you are homosexual as history shows many have done) Anyone else see this as a fesible point or am i just crazy? -Disclaimer, i really have nothing against homosexuals, i just want to see if my thoughts seem logical.

and does this lock-up converter also cause the revvs to drop?

E85 is not feasible for nationwide, we are far too big a country for it.

Mmmhmmm whats the EPA on this, like i dont care about the combined.... and i cant find the individuals Also... my car is a 4spd auto w/ overdrive, now whats the different between that and a 5spd? it has 5 gears... so why isnt it a 5spd? so wouldnt GMs trannys be 5spds too?

i do, i have a hard time figuring out when my car will start without it :P

while i find humor in this, i honestly do not think that this will alter the general populaces stance on Toyota

what does it concern toyota if GM was giving out free stuff outside the park?

chicks for the most part could care less if a car has a 4 5 6 7 or 8 cyl engine. they like the design of the car and thats it. if it has power, then tend to drive wildly however... :P

I agree. The SUV is basically just a big wagon too. so the SUV was the new wagon, and thusly the new wagon is a wagon.

With the higher gas prices, why not make a Camaro with a Base I4 engine.... maybe the 2.8L Atlas I4, it has decent hp and a goodly amount of torque... mate it up to a nice 5-spd and its acceleration could be lively. itd be a nice "sporty" coupe with some decent MPG numbers. they did it for years in the 70s and 80s, so why not now?

my 2BBL 2.8L V6 got similarly low readings.... and its carbeurated! :P

any1 else notice the lower level V8 makes more torque than the upper level one? lol

if the hood was a bit longer its porportions would be very nice.

the ultimate outcome of global warming is an ice age, perhaps then it will get the global warmers to be quiet once temperatures are in the warm -20s :P