Teh Ricer Civic!

Idle is rough-er when cold. sometimes idle is perfectly fine however. replaced on the engine... uhh... well replaced the whole engine a while back... prolly 15-20k miles on the engine origionally engine was an 83 or 84, i imagine they replaced it with an identical engine... also, if you go around flooring it aafter a bit everything smooths out more (things so slow... you can floor it for a bit before you even hit the speed limit lol)

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wouldnt there be a noticeable lack of power if that was the case?

GTO could definately benefit from a 6spd auto, it needs a taller OD

<_< you guys arent getting the point. i dont care if they were top technology then, 15 years from then BASE ENGINES should exceed those specs. i made a reference to the HO Quad4 because well... its more powerful than the 2.4L ECOTEC (the top I4) At no point did i ever say the 3.5L was a bad engine, all i am saying is that with all the advances in technology the fact that they have only gotten this far is somewhat sad. the HF engines are a testimony to GM V6 design, especially when the 3.6L hits 300hp

by the way swallowit... do you insist on the corvette having an I4 diesel?

isnt the next 3.6L supposed to be kicking out 300range hp?

of course you can detonate it outside city limits. also in Utah, while its legal to posess nuclear weapons, its illegal to detonate them.

i know, imagine the fun of pushing your SUV hard through 2000rpm then shifting! :lol:

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i did that once with my car, but a cop pulled me over and said my air filter didnt meet CARB :(

carb

i dunno... .... FIERO!!! :ph34r:

poor little buggers been runnin pretty poor lately... it starts up... but idle is rough, when you floor it it lags considerably and power comes in jolts until it begins to smooth out... any ideas?

With the exception of Honda's automatics, they build damn fine engines, Power output is at worst decent, fuel economy is fine, and all their cars are available with manuals. The greater majority of their engines like to be revved, but when driven at a normal pace their power output may be only modest, but they deliver on the fuel economy, and if you ever wanna have a bit of fun they dont make too shabby of #s in the top of their band. really, they are perfect commuter cars, its not like you need to do 0-60 in 5sec when your commuting I bet when honda does eventually build a V8 it will be a smallish 3.5L V8. probably make 245ish torque at 7500 and generate 400hp @ 8000rpm. It would make a good driver because they could use their VTEC system to keep a decent amount of torque available in the low end for commuting, and awesome power up top.

Redlands... Motor vehicles may not drive on city streets unless a man with a lantern is wallking ahead of it. LOUISIANA It is illegal to rob a bank and then shoot at the bank teller with a water pistol. New Orleans... You may not tie an alligator to a fire hydrant. Condoms may not be thrown from parade floats during Mardi Gras. Snakes are not allowed within 200 yards of the Mardi Gras parade route. It illegal for a woman to drive a car unless her husband is waving a flag in front of it. It is illegal to practice voodoo in the city limits. “Mardi Gras Beads” may not be thrown from a third story window. Chasing fish in a city park is against the law. One may not host a game of marbles at Lafayette Square unless he or she first obtains a written permit from the parkway and park commission. Horses may not be tied to a tree on a public highway. it is illegal to plant a tree in any city park. Fixing electric wires to trees is illegal. Don’t try to do any kind of fancy bicycle riding in this town. All riders must keep at least one hand on the wheel at all times. Sulphur Laws LA: Drive-thru liquor stores are outlawed. It is illegal to have sex with a cow. It is illegal to be an alcoholic. (sorry satty) Saying obscene things on the telephone is illegal.

It is illegal to drive more than two thousand sheep down Hollywood Boulevard at one time. Heres some LA law... It is illegal for a man to beat his wife with a strap wider than 2 inches without her consent. You may not hunt moths under a street light. It is a crime for dogs to mate within 500 yards of a church. Breaking this law is punishable by a fine of $500 and/or six months in prison.

According to law, it is illegal to breed horses within 150 yards of a highway or in front of women and childen.

-108 i was austin powers'ing it

Well its about time! Now if only they would ressurect the 240SX...

Whats the % of manual sells these days? 15%? and even then who would want a manual in a big old Tahoe? And GM Pushrod V8s are EXCEPTIONALLY potent no matter how you look at them, their V6 line leave something to be desired tho.

just because a car makes more torque doesnt make it faster either. and i dont care if the 3.4L cost a lot to make and was a POS.... the point is that GM has been playing catchup to their OWN ENGINE for 14 years! and that 2.3L I4 (Quad 4 or whatever) that makes 180hp and gets only slightly worse gas mileage than the ECOTEC? honestly what is going on? It seems that aside from the GM V8's all other engines have just been trying to get back to early 90s power levels.

El Camino!!

man i considered myself a pushrod guy but you guys are fanatics... fact is i got a pushrod, its somewhat reliable, power output isnt bad for its age... revvs are nothing (like 4500 redline- im guessing... theres no tach) but whatever, it gets the job done. but one thing i would like to point out is the new Civic's base engine. and to compare it to the ECOTEC 2.2L (as GM tunes most of their engines to be torquey regardless of valvetrain configuration) Honda 1.8L I4 140hp@6300rpm 128torque@4300rpm 6800 redline 30/38 ECOTEC 2.2L 145hp @ 5,600rpm 155 torque @ 4,000rpm 6,500 redline 25/34 and for good measure 2.2L OHV I4 (1999) 115hp @ 5000rpm 135 torque @ 3600rpm 24/34 2.3l DOHC I4 (1991) 180hp @ 6200rpm 160 torque @ 5200rpm 23/33 Now then, which one would you choose? the pathetic OHV engine? the torquey Ecotec? or the fuel efficient Civic? a civic and a cobalt would be very close in a race, as it ultimately ends up being HP as the deciding factor unless you are playing stoplight king... but even then, the civic revvs quicker, hitting higher hp faster than the cobalt. now i ask you, what happened? why was GM building more powerful I4s in 1991 than now? OK... 3.6L VVT V6 (HF) 255hp @ 6200rpm 252 torque @ 3100rpm 17/27 (CTS 5M) 3.9L VVT V6 (HV) 240hp @ 6000rpm 241 torque @ 2800rpm 18/26 (4spd?) Once again, comparison of GMs most advanced V6s in its HF and HV classes. The DOHC engine comes out on top of this one, torque delivery is likely greater across the board than the 3.9L (im just guessing, i havent seen a torque curve for the 3.6) Horsepower is greater at roughly the same rpm, the DOHC engine is LESS SRESSED in generating its power! the whole point to a destroked engine is to increase redline, and make it revv faster. this DOES NOT MEAN its undriveable, mated to a manual its just fine, take the years of Integras as your proof of that. and just for fun.... 3.5L VVT V6 (2005) 211hp @ 5800rpm 214 torque @ 4000rpm 3.4L DOHC V6 (1991) 210hp 215 torque Uhhmmm yeah.... 14 years later and they finally equal it? lame

GM's interiors could easially be adressed with simple things, like faux alumium or something to that stort. having faux alumium instead of cold hard plastic really livens things up, i mean... just spray the peices with a alumium-like color and itd look better!