Blake Noble

Indeed. I do believe GM is ready to get the second part of the Pony Car wars ignited ahead of schedule. I believe that they too feel as if development time has dragged on longer than expected. Between the Camaro, Challenger, and Mustang, I believe I will put my money on the Camaro being the better car out of all three. :AH-HA_wink:

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I know what you mean. It takes almost seventy dollars to get a full tank of gas in my Sonoma, and it is capable of around 22 mpg in city conditions.

REVEALED: 2009 Ferrari California A new Ferrari model that basically came from nowhere. Link to original Article @ Global Motors

Fueled up for $3.92 today at a local Marathon station. I am quite tired with the cost of gasoline. I believe I will try to find an elderly BMW with a diesel engine and a manual transmission, if at all possible. Let's see, hmm ... I want to guess the cost may well be flirting with about $4.75 or so by the end of the summer, going at the rate we are going now. I will not rule out that prices may experience something of a downward trend this autumn, though.

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Personally, I do not mind seeing one of Sixty-8s quips about modern cars. What does bother me, however, is when he makes multiple posts dealing with that same quip. Sorry Sixty-8, I just had to be honest here. Back on topic, however, let's discuss anything and everything about the new Camaro. :AH-HA_wink:

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"Some say a comet will fall from the sky, Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves, Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still, Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip$h!s. Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will 'cause I sure could use a vacation from this Silly $h!, stupid $h!..." :AH-HA_wink:

I have heard whispers concerning this September. A word of caution, however: do not put all of your eggs in one basket. :AH-HA_wink:

There have been rumors of an early release for the Camaro. :AH-HA_wink:

I have never understood why the UN thinks it is essentially the world government. When Woodrow Wilson envisioned his "League of Nations" from his Fourteen Points speech, he never thought that it should be a world government, just as a way for all countries and societies to discuss key global issues and seek peaceful agreements on how the issues should be resolved to prevent war. The UN has too much power.

The minority is not as small as you may think. :AH-HA_wink: As a matter of fact, I am trying to find a way to obtain a diesel car to fit my needs. If I am unsuccessful in finding one, I will find a suitable compromise. I don't dismiss the effects man-sourced pollution has on this planet. They are there and they are visible; we can have an effect, either positive or negative, on our environment. I would be ignorant to deny that. However, I do largely dismiss the theory of global warming because it is, in my opinion, a horrible exaggeration of that fact I have just mentioned. I resent how it is treated as scientific truth when it is not, I resent how it is treated as if there could be nothing out there to prove it false, especially by the extremists who put a lot of faith into a theory based around a science we are still learning to understand. Any skeptic who challenges it is scolded and labeled as a wasteful human being.

Take yer pick. http://jeremyhodgson.kicks-ass.net/picture...?g2_itemId=4196 http://jalopnik.com/392589/2009-chevrolet-...tures-seriously http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4198 Enjoy everybody.

Here is a thought: spin off each division as a separate car company owned by the "central hub," that hub being GM.

Gore is a man who should crucify his ego for the sake of his fellow Americans.

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It is a shame, really. The Impala is an example of the old GM way of thinking where cars were sort of engineered to a sort of "disposable" standard.

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I believe the Impala nameplate can be saved if the car is re-embodied to be an affordable, aspirational quality vehicle like it once was. The W-Body Impala is not a car anyone can honestly aspire to own. It is a car the buyer chooses to buy because it offered a lot of space for little money. To be honest, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Costco selling these in a specially designated section of their store. It does seem to fit with Costco's ideology, after all.

Agreed.

Guys, finding and reading this article has made my great day go out on a great note. I now have a truckload of crow ready to go for one of my teachers, who highly advocates Mr. Al Gore and the theory of Global Warming. Now, I am not saying that pollution does not have detrimental effects on the environment. It does. Air pollution leads to health problems, acid rain, and so forth. Land pollution comes back to haunt us with a poisoned water supply. But what upsets me is that the fact it has been blown totally and completely out of proportion for political agendas. We now have a man with Nobel Peace Prizes because he has forced his agenda laden with his brand of psuedo-environmentalism down the throat of politics and the American people as a result, a man who is essentially a fraud and is not deserving of the merit he has been given. I hope to god it just keeps cooling down after their so called "15 year hiatus" passes so that these environmentalist poseurs will be exiled out of the scientific community as well as the political community.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/env....html?id=525590 You may have heard earlier this month that global warming is now likely to take a break for a decade or more. There will be no more warming until 2015, perhaps later. Climate scientist Noel Keenlyside, leading a team from Germany's Leibniz Institute of Marine Science and the Max Planck Institute of Meteorology, for the first time entered verifiable data on ocean circulation cycles into one of the U. N.'s climate supercomputers, and the machine spit out a projection that there will be no more warming for the foreseeable future. Of course, Mr. Keenlyside-- long a defender of the man-made global warming theory -- was quick to add that after 2015 (or perhaps 2020), warming would resume with a vengeance. Climate alarmists the world over were quick to add that they had known all along there would be periods when the Earth's climate would cool even as the overall trend was toward dangerous climate change. Sorry, but that is just so much backfill. There may have been the odd global-warming scientist in the past decade who allowed that warming would pause periodically in its otherwise relentless upward march, but he or she was a rarity. If anything, the opposite is true: Almost no climate scientist who backed the alarmism ever expected warming would take anything like a 10 or 15-year hiatus. Last year, in its oft-quoted report on global warming, the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predicted a 0.3-degree C rise in temperature in the coming decade -- not a cooling or even just temperature stability. In its previous report in 2001, the IPCC prominently displaced the so-called temperature "hockey stick" that purported to show temperature pretty much plateauing for the thousand years before 1900, then taking off in the 20th Century in a smooth upward line. No 10-year dips backwards were foreseen. It is drummed into us, ad nauseum, that the IPCC represents 2,500 scientists who together embrace a "consensus" that man-made global warming is a "scientific fact;" and as recently as last year, they didn't see this cooling coming. So the alarmists can't weasel out of this by claiming they knew all along such anomalies would occur. This is not something any alarmist predicted, and it showed up in none of the UN's computer projections until Mr. Keenlyside et al. were finally able to enter detailed data into their climate model on past ocean current behaviour. Less well-known is that global temperatures have already been falling for a decade. All of which means, that by 2015 or 2020, when warming is expected to resume, we will have had nearly 20 years of fairly steady cooling. Saints of the new climate religion, such as Al Gore, have stated that eight of the 10 years since 1998 are the warmest on record. Even if that were true, none has been as warm as 1998, which means the trend of the past decade has been downward, not upward. Last year, for instance, saw a drop in the global average temperature of nearly 0.7 degrees C (the largest single-year movement up or down since global temperature averages have been calculated). Despite advanced predictions that 2007 would be the warmest year on record, made by such UN associates as Britain's Hadley Centre, a government climate research agency, 2007 was the coolest year since at least 1993. According to the U. S. National Climatic Data Center, the average temperature of the global land surface in January 2008 was below the 20th-Century mean for the first time since 1982. Also in January, Southern Hemisphere sea ice coverage was at its greatest summer level (January is summer in the Southern Hemisphere) in the past 30 years. Neither the 3,000 temperature buoys that float throughout the world's oceans nor the eight NASA satellites that float above our atmosphere have recorded appreciable warming in the past six to eight years. Even Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the IPCC, reluctantly admitted to Reuters in January that there has been no warming so far in the 21st Century. Does this prove that global warming isn't happening, that we can all go back to idling our SUVs 24/7? No. But it should introduce doubt into the claim that the science of global warming is "settled."

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The longer the W-Body Impala is around, the more that this classic nameplate will stagnate and rapidly lose whatever prestige it has clung to. GM would be wise not to totally desecrate the Impala name with outdated squaller (W-Body architecture).