Blake Noble

Indeed sales of six-cylinder Camaro models will more than likely eclipse sales of the eight-cylinder Camaro models. I know the six-cylinder car will be what I will be buying, not only for fuel economy, but in terms of overall performance and feature value.

That last bit is where GM saved the most money. Make no mistake, GM will make profit from the Camaro. Indeed and they probably will.

And I wonder what is the bare minimum a Camaro can be had for ... :AH-HA_wink:

They didn't. From what I've heard, development costs were rather paltry when compared to other vehicle programs.

I'm not totally sure. I would have to dig them out of storage to know for sure. I can remember having a few of them for Chevrolet, a few for Pontiac, some for Dodge ... I'll let you know what cars I have if I find them as well if I've made a final decision on if I want to sell them on a first-come-first-serve basis (they have some sentimental value).

If you want more of those, I have a binder full of them in my garage.

Actually ... 1969 Camaro and 2010 Camaro: 1967 Firebird: :AH-HA_wink:

Scott Settlemire has said in the past that pricing should mirror that of the Mustang's accordingly.

A plus in my opinion. Just one less distraction to take my eyes off of the road and my attention away from the car.

In a nutshell, that would be the verification of financial-related records of a company. Your point? It's like I said earlier, some tactical facts might suggest Vauxhall is a company, but in all honesty GM treats it as pretty much the same as it would any other brand. Besides, that wasn't my original point anyway; what I was saying way earlier is that the British car industry is wholly foreign-owned and pretty much has been for a large majority since the collapse of British Leyland, if not totally since the fall of MG Rover Group not too long ago. The only British thing about it would be the workforce that builds the cars and little else. There is really no such thing as a totally British car (meaning totally, 100 percent British-designed, British-engineered, British-built, and British-branded) anymore. Good thing marriage is of little interest to me right now!

The condition of that car for that amount of miles astonishes me. Solider on, brave Camaro, solider on.

I'm just going to keep my eyes wide open ...

Fine, think what you want. It's not just me who will tell you that Vauxhall is more of a brand than it is a company. And I do know about the history of Vauxhall models, thanks. And perhaps "elitist" was the word I was really searching for. It was late and I've had a very stressful past few days and I didn't exactly choose my words wisely.

I whole-heartedly agree. GM needs to lay down a fail-safe, aggressive course of action for its core brands and commit those brands to the course of action they set in motion, no excuses.

Look beyond what's printed on a piece of paper and then tell me what you see. A Vauxhall is a right-drive Opel with an altered grille, nothing more, nothing less. It's about as British as me moving to Liverpool and speaking with a faux-accent. Your tactical facts might say Vauxhall is a company, but the hard-pressed truth says different. Vauxhall is treated like any other brand from GM, by GM. I mean, the last shred of signs of Vauxhall's independence, their design studios, have long since been shut down. And not to be rude or anything, but that last post does make you sound quite conceded.

Exactly my point. Vauxhall is GM, and is nothing more than another brand in the GM hierarchy, make no mistake about it.

Have a good vacation, Mr. Proto European.

Hmm ... when I first saw it, I was immediately reminded of another car. And now I think know what this slightly echoes ...

Sex with six cylinders.

Yes, don't place all of your egg's in the "Dead Z/28" basket just yet. Keep your reservations for the time being, as with all of the other news regarding GM.

Vauxhall might be a company on paper, and perhaps a British one at that, but when you look at the simple facts, it is treated the same as any other brand at General Motors. Honestly, Vauxhall hasn't been building a wholly British car for quite some time now. You can't honestly say a Vectra is a British car, regardless of who is building it; any layman could tell you it's a German car that is only remotely British in name. One could point out that the relationship of Vauxhall to Opel (and occasionally Holden as well) isn't much different from the relationship of GMC to Chevrolet Trucks. There are a few changes made and a new name applied to the vehicle, nothing more. In fact, a GMC is better differentiated from it's Chevrolet counterpart than a Vauxhall is to it's Opel equivalent any more. There are no vehicles which are Vauxhall-exclusive nor are there any GM vehicles which are sourced from or originate from a Vauxhall design. Vauxhall is a shell, an outlet for Opel cars, like Saturn is here in America. Don't fool yourself. It's not some tired rhetoric. Vauxhall is Opel and Opel is GM.

Indeed I do recognize your point. It's just when a particular industry of a country is owned by other businesses from other countries, I tend to see it as no longer belonging to that country but of those who have ownership of it. I suppose it is a matter of perception, yes?

Yes they do, but the way I see it, for example, Vauxhall employees are not employed by Vauxhall, as if were it's own singular corporation, they are employed by GM. Vauxhall employees are the same as Opel employees or Chevrolet employees and not much different, as it is all GM, if I am making sense here.

One-hundred and twenty raging brake horses would be the output of the 2.2L four-cylinder found under hood of my Sonoma and the S-10 I had before it. I can say that I've had experience with that power output and, honestly, it is a little on the pathetic side and it shows painfully in Interstate conditions. There are ways and available technology that we can use to achieve decent power ratings that reach past the 150bhp mark and still get decent fuel economy. Why not use them?