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Sanity is so overrated Of course I check on what words come out as backwards too. Hmm, OK, sanity is so far away.

With all due respect, the problem, as I see it, with Buickman is that he won't quit the relentless attacks and insulting of those in GM he disagrees with. "Red Ink" Rick is not exactly a respectful attitude to show towards someone who has a very complicated and difficult job. Its kind of like a worn out record (for those of us who remember those), even if you love the songs it gets a bit hard to listen to all of the scratching. As for what I have personally done for GM? I am not a salesman, nor do I work in the auto industry, I am an aircraft mechanic for the US Air Force. I have gotten a bunch of friends to consider GM products by bringing up their good points and telling people to go out and look for themselves, not to believe everything written in an automotive magazine. Right now, an airman is checking out Pontiacs. I also have been helping lead a Camaro Club and keeping the interest in Chevys high with shows and events. Last year our All Chevy Show created a lot of interest in some of the new cars because we had dealers bring in a couple. And that's just the beginning. Many others on this board could bring up many similar points. Most of us here want GM and all of its brands to be massively successful. We look and discuss many different ideas with the concept of building up the company. Some ideas come across well, others don't. I would be about the last person to say I have the solution for GMs difficulties. The problems have been there longer than most anyone at the corporation and will take a long time to fix. Buickman's ideas seem to be better aimed at the dealers than GM itself. GM needs to concentrate on putting out great products.

Great explanation. Thanks for finding it and clearing this up.

Knowing those guys the plane will wind up in the air somehow though...

Tammy and I plan on getting a Z/28, preferably a convertible when they become available. Considering we have had 9 Camaros (oh and no mullets) and currently still own 3 of them I'd say we have a pretty decent chance of sticking to our plans.

Actually according to the problem, the conveyer won't move if the aircraft doesn't so that means it can just sit there. I am perfectly OK with that.

Nah, I'll just go down to Stewart's Meats in McKenna. They've got the best jerky and pepperoni I have ever had, beef, chicken, or elk.

Arrrgh, you mean I have to fuel it up too?

Sorry to hear you didn't get it but keep on looking, you never know when you will find what you are looking for. We got our Skylark after coming back from Hot August Nights last year. My wife found and loved it, I wasn't too sure before we left but agreeed to think about it. While in Reno we went ot the Silver auction and I looked at bidding on 2 cars, a 67 Corvair convertible and a 67 Camaro convertible. Tammy didn't like the Covair but agreed to go for the Camaro. When it came time for the car to cross the platform it was nowhere in sight. They couldn't find the keys. After finding the keys they couldn't get the car started even using a jumper box. I had seen and heard the car run many times that day and knew it was sound but now, nothing. I talked a bit with the owner and you could tell how frustrated he was. Decision time, do I offer him something like $10K (car was well worth it and he stated earlier he would be happy with $12K) or do I try to help him. I wound up adjusting the negative battery wire on its terminal and the Camaro started right up and sold for more money than I had. We bought the Skylark 1 day after we got back from Reno and I have never regretted buying it or helping that guy out. It just goes to show that there is almost always something else out there. Good luck with your search, Z!

My more important questions are how bad the engines were overtemped and do I have to borescope or just change them, what happened to the wheel speed sensors and the brake temp sensors as the landing gear heated up (do I have to fix those systems too?), and can I call in sick rather than fix this thing after it broke?

OK, lets look at this. The problem is the part about the treadmill moving at the speed of the aircraft. If this means that the treadmill is moving at the speed of the aircraft in relation to an external object, IE the ground or the surrounding air then yes, the aircraft will eventually take off. In this case an aircraft with about a 50MPH ground speed as measured by an outside source would have the treadmill also moving at 50MPH in the opposite direction. The wheel speed would be 100MPH. Now, in this case, the aircraft would still need the same amount of thrust from the engine(s) and distance to take off since the air is independent from the treadmill and that creates the lift. The engines themselves create forward movement only. On the other hand, if the treadmill is moving at the same velocity as the aircraft as measured with a closed system then the aircraft is not moving in relation to the air as the forces of forward movement by the aircraft is negated by this treadmill. The wheels may be spinning at 50MPH but the foward movement of the aircraft is 0. In this case the aircraft cannot take off since their is not sufficient air passing around the wing. It doesn't really matter that the wheels are not used for propulsion. They spin. As the aircraft spools up and takes a minute to gain momentum the treadmill starts to turn. If the treadmill gains speed at half of the aircraft acceleration schedule then the aircraft can take off. If the treadmill gains speed at the same rate as the aircraft then the aircraft remains stationary. (Or at least until the tires massively overheat and blow) Any of the thoughts of catapults (as used on aircraft carriers) as outside this argument since they are an external force being used. A catapult will pull the aircraft forward no matter if the aircraft is on stationary ground or a treadmill. Its purpose is to provide the initial speed needed for the aircraft's wings to provide lift as the engine will not do so in such a short space (area of an aircraft carrier). I run engines all of the time at work (I am an C17 engine mechanic with flying crew chief qualifications), even at full power the force of the engines needs a bit to move the plane and our engines put out over 40,000 pounds of thrust each at takeoff rated thrust and we have 4 of those. Let's not get into the new GE engine that is rated at over 100,000 pounds of thrust. All aircraft engines provide thrust with the same basic principle, Newton's Third Law of Motion which states for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The air being pushed behind the engine forces the engine to move forward. Since the aircraft is attached to the engine, it moves as well. Rocket engines, jet engines, turbojet engines, turbofan engines, turboprop engines, rotary aircraft enginces, it doesn't matter. they all use the same principle. As I said at the beginning, the problems has 2 potential correct answers based on the interpretation of the given conditions.

Sorry guys but this plane isn't going anywhere. It only has motion relative to the treadmill as the problem is written. The aircraft is stationary in respect to all other elements and that includes the air that is required to flow around the wing. The treadmill removes the ability to move forward in relation to the surrounding air and create the lift necessary.

Much of our government farm subsidies go to asking farmers to not plant. Turned loose the American farmer could produce so much more crops than they do. Its a simple fact. Some study in Agribusiness brings this to the forefront quickly. The US has been dumping crops and asking farmers to scale back for simple reasons. The primary one is that we use our food as incentives to get other countries to go along with our desires. We've been doing this for years. Too much excess food drops the value of it. Therefore we decrease the amount we have available to increase the value. Reg...you're not going to get a firm business plan from just about anyone here. Why? Because unless someone has been hiding their status, no one here has enough facts to show the exact plan that anyone would use. On the other hand there is enough evidence to show that E85 definately has potential. Corn is just the first step because it is a readily available crop and there is an overabundance of it. The other, potentially more effiecient crops will follow as the infrastructure is set. As for anyone who complains ablout the energy needed to refine E85, remember oil also uses energy to refine. And since there is currently an E85 refinery being built in Washington State, I wouldn't worry about burning coal. Most of our energy here is hydroelectric.

Stingray="slow"? Ya, right, I am sure my friends 71 454 Vette is slow. Stingray was also used on the 60s models Vettes. I saw one last week at a show in Olympia. It was a 65 convertible. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it wasn't there. The Stingray name has a great history and a lot of good memories, especially from the Vette crowd.

Don't expect a 4 cyl in a Camaro again, ever. It just won't work. Besides, I averaged 25 MPG (combined) in my 99 Z/28 and my 95 Z/28 gets around 22. Any thought of fuel savings from a 4 banger would disappear from the work the engine would have to do to move the car. A good solid efficient V-6 will do very well as a base engine. But as for me bring on the V-8 and 400+HP!!!

Tammy & I have planned on getting one from the moment we saw it. Also, I stopped into the flight simulators on base today to check on a course I need and two of the guys there cornered me asking when it was coming out so they could both put deposits down. They both knew I was a major Camaro nut and thought I might know a bit more than I really do, lol. It took me nearly an hour of talking about this new Camaro before I could ask my question.

I saw on the news last night that an E85 refinery is going to be built in Aberdeen, Washington. Maybe we'll start seeing it available here.

Sigh, Sorry to hear about the problems BV. I hope you can get everything worked out so you have a car again. But, I have to agree that you did do some sophmoric things. If you know that you aren't supposed to be driving after a certain time you really shouldn't call attention to yourself. And getting caught like that with your parents car could really cause problems. And I don't think you can say that I am not a car enthusiast. Check out my sig for 6 of my 7 cars. I also drag race at two of our local tracks. Again, good luck getting things worked out.

NOS I am very sorry to hear about this. I know how much you've been working on this. I am finishing up putting a crate motor in my 71 and I truly understand how much these unexpected replairs can frustrate. I kind of wonder if your oil pump might have had a problem. Did any of the bearing areas look dry? In addition to have the crank replaced or turned you really should have a machine shop check out the block and connecting rods. Anything suspect should be replaced or very carefully checked. OK, I know you probably know all of this but consider it a reminder. Good luck bud and keep us informed.

Well, the engine is sitting in bay now. FINALLY! We had to pull the tranny out since we couldn't get it to line up right. Now engine is sitting in the bay, tranny is supported by its brace but guess what? The mounts we were sold are not the right ones. Sigh. We are taking a break and then running into town to get another set. We'll be making sure these ones are right. Heck, we wouldn't have to replace them but the old passenger side one was cracked. I am really hoping to get this pretty much together today. I have to get a nap in this evening before heading to work tonight. OK, for all of you experienced mechanics. Go ahead and laugh. This is my 1st engine install. It figures that it would be with a manual tranny.

Well, BV, good luck no matter what you decide. As long as you are happy with what you get it doesn't really matter what the rest of us say. Too bad about not being able to get a mid engined car. They're a blast.

The engine cost me $1670 plus tax (total of $1841). We then ordered an Edelbrock intake and Carb (plus a few extra parts). We have about 2700 into everything so far and should be putting the engine into the car this weekend. Tammy is hoping we have everything done and the car running reliably before Mother's Day. She plans on taking it to a show near our home that day.

I know what you mean. We have had the engine out of Tammy's IROC for over a year now as we put everything back together. We wanted the 71 back up on the road though and are trying to move things along. We agree about the original engine. I would love to have the stock engine to go with this car but I guess its not going to happen. The guy is basically being a bonehead. He thinks everything is worth a whole lot more than it really is. Oh well.

Nope, the original engine is being held onto by one of the previous owners he offered me it as a short block that NEEDS to be rebuilt for the price of $2500. That's not happening. The engine that was in the car was a 4 bolt main that had been built as a drag racing engine. I am going to keep it though and rebuild it over time. NOw I have a choice of engines for my 67 C-10. You can tell Tammy that I work fast. She's been pushing to get this done.

Sighs, it never rains but it pours, right? I had my new 71 Camaro at a show a couple of weeks ago and on the way home I started to hear a knocking from the engine compartment. LOUD. I immediately got into a weigh station (lucky it was right there) and shut down. Thankfully my brother had trailered his 73 to the same show and we unloaded it and put my car on the trailer. He then let me drive his car to my place (with only 100 miles on the new engine) while he followed me. The next day Tammy (my wife), our 2 kids (7 and 11), and I pulled the engine out and tore it down. The front two piston rods were completely drive at the main bearings. In fact number 2 had no main bearings left and was cracked and had been hitting the cylinder wall. Thus the knocking. The crank is damamged as well, of course. Anyway, we talked and decided for now to get a crate motor for it. Got one of the GM performance parts engines and then had to get a new intake and carb since the onces on the old motor were way to aggressive for street driving. I also decided to replace all of the hoses since I had the engine out and when I went to disconnect one of the hoses to the heater box, the tube on the box came off. Time to replace that too. Thankfully, it is an easy job with the engine out. Only a little more to go before I put this engine into the Camaro. Then I can probably quit calling my brother for advice for a while. I am inexperienced in major work and he's been a massive help.