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The price will continue to decline but the performance and range will continue to improve too. This is why GM did the first gen and this gen even with no major profits in sight. GM had to bite the bullet to create a segment like this to get companies to invest in research and technology to make things cheaper and better. If GM had not created this model no one would have invested the money in like they are now. GM had to prime the pump to get this deal to move. The Volt was often called the moon shot and it really is true. The Apollo program was not really about just landing on the moon but to develop the technology that it took to get there. The government invested in this program and it has paid off over the years with the advancements we have seen since the 60's. The fact is if not for the government investing in the moon landing we very well would not be her arguing about cars. As GM spreads this technology to the CT6, Malibu and other models it will get cheaper and cheaper.

No car was ever successful because of it's name. None! You can plaster any great name on any crappy car and it will not do a thing for sales. On the converse build a great car and you can call it what ever you like. Numbers, letters or a name like a Putz GT and it will sell. If Lincoln wants to save their future they need to build some damn good cars that are not just gussied up Fords. That is the plain and simple truth. You can slap some styling on and Continental and in the end it is still a Taurus under the skin with FWD/AWD and a V6. The real issue is Cadillac has done some damage to some great names with some real crap over the last 35 years. the names did not save the Seville or Eldo when they downsized in the 80's all they did was damage the names. They did help them some in the 90's but even then they still were cars that lacked the heritage of the name and Quality was iffy at best. The fact is cars like the 3M is not a great car due to the 3M name but the fact the car itself over the years made 3M mean something. The car should define and created the image of the name not the name doing a thing for the car. We all should have learned this when Olds slapped Cutlass on so many FWD models that it only damaged the name. They took their best known name and killed it because the cars defined the name even a great one. No matter how hard you try you can not put the cart before the horse and expect it to work out. You have to create car right and let it define what the label means. Anyone here bought a car just because you liked the name? Hands? Ahh just as I thought you bought the car because of the kind of car it was not because of what it was called. Time to stop this romatic notion that people buy because of the label here. Cars are a visual and tactual feel sales experience. You see it and feel it with a car and the name just is along for the ride. Take for example a 1963 250 GT SWB Lusso is one car that when I see it I feel in inside because of the sound of the engine and the styling. It is one of the greatest styling designs I have ever seen as it stirs you emotionally. As for the name it means nothing by itself but the car is what defines that name to me. Lusso today means one of the best looking cars ever done if I were blind it would mean nothing.

In this segment technology and novelty sells. Diesel is far from a new or novel technology in fact it is one of the oldest. The Tesla has shown that technology is trendy and exiting for many with the means to buy one. It is like the I phone even with only small changes people will stand in line for the latest model because they want the latest and most technology they can. Technology is like what HP used to be. It still comes down to the public here embracing the diesel engine. At this point there is nothing the American public can see that they value for the extra price. You either need to create a greater selling point to market a point that they are just not getting to make them want this combo. As of now there is no love.

The Cruze was priced high and the engine was the biggest parts. You could sell the same engine on a lower model and it would just have made it a over priced lower model. GM tried to dress it up to make it appear more appealing at a already too high price. With American regulations the Diesels are not cheap and will not be cheap. I think failure is a too harsh term but I think it is proof that there are problems in offering Diesels in America that just can not be designed out yet. The first thing that has to be done is to change the thinking of Diesel in America and that will not be easy. In Europe they grew up with low powered small engines while we had V8 engines. To them the Diesel was a major step up. Today we have the smaller engines but our 4 and 6 engines are as powerful or more powerful than some of our V8 engines and get twice the MPG. So you combine that with the past perceptions of Diesel and few here see or feel compelled to pay more. I am not Anti Diesel but I do understand that there is a lot of work needed to make it mainstream.

The blue fills I have seen are coming sooner on the V8 models. While not a big deal if you want a Diesel not something someone who is not sold on one wants to hear. Their thinking is I like my gas and why bother. it is hard to get a guy to marry an ugly girl even if she is a good cook. Ya like there is a politician that will put his name on a bill to raise gas taxes. You have to play reality here. The price difference will remain in place. Heck I already enough cars that are premium recommended and people still running the cheaper gas. The difference is small but many refuse to pay it. Guzzler tax? That will work like the raising of the gas tax.

They will find ways to work around it. The fact is selling diesels to Americans is not easy as if it were we would have a hell of a lot more of them around than we have now. If you have some realistic way to sell them e mail Johann as he could use the help. The fact is Benz and BMW may offer Diesels but they are of little help here in the states as they are a very low percentage of sales. I agree with the thinking we need diesels but you have a way to optimistic way of thinking Americans are just going to march right out there and buy enough of them to make it profitable. Until GM goes to Europe there is no money in a diesel for America right now. To take a low volume car and add a even lower volume engine is just nuts no matter how bad you need it. I think the all electric sedan is where they will go here in the states first. The CT6 Hybrid is only the first effort. They will expand on this to other models and increase the range as well I expect an all electric car will also joint he group. Americans appear to have a bigger love for this than most auto diesel now. Especially any state near salt water. Also BMW and Benz may be facing more issue as they move forward with EPA regulations that are only going to drive up the price of a Diesel. By the way have you priced some of the replacement parts on some of these EPA approved Diesels? The Exhaust alone are the price of a small car and that is just for a truck. The US government will have to show some love for the Diesel or it will price itself out or make the such a pain to buy and maintain that few people will hold interest. Most people have no clue about the exhaust fluid you must put in now. Once they get a hold of that it will only make it more difficult.

Yes gas will go up but they are not betting the farm on trucks and SUV's. You may want to take notice of all the new cars they are bringing to market like the Malibu that will be class leasing in MPG and the many other models that will be lighter and better MPG than the cars they are replacing. Add to this the expansion of the new CUV models that will also improve their MPG with less weight. The Ford Edge just match what my Terrain will do and GM is just now replacing the Terrain in a year with a model that will be lighter and have more MPG. Not sure how you can diversify more than that. If people want to buy trucks then you had better sell them but I do not see GM ignoring the cars and letting them rot like Chrysler has. How old are their RWD models now and if you add the Daimler origin years on top of the 12-13 Chrysler years? Marketing is not that easy. Let me list the ways. The majority of customers have no clue what torque is or how it feels. I see it here even with the anti turbo fans. Second people still remember the issues of the past with the Olds. Yes even their kids still speak of it. Third most could not tell you where they can buy Diesel so if they have no interest they never look and hold a fear they may not find it if they are nearly out. Logical no but real yes. Call it range anxiety. Fourth people still thing of Diesels as black smoke rolling busses and trucks or a Benz with a tail panel all black from soot. They see today kids rolling smoke in their trucks with no clear understanding of what is going on. Five is the added cost of the engines and needed parts. It is not cheap to buy a diesel and it take commitment that many are not willing to take. They do not love the engine enough to pay the extra price. Six Government emissions will only get worse. They want more MPG and yet they kill off the best option. You figure that one out. Seven many automotive models will now need to add the emissions fluid like the trucks. We already have people who hate to fill washer fluid, check the oil and some do not even want to wait to fill the tank with fuel and now they have to carry a jug of fluid to fill something that does nothing for them in return like more MPG or power? Eight. GM for many years tried to tell people what they need to buy. Well today that does not work anymore especially GM trying to tell them to buy a Diesel. It is like Charlie Sheen telling you should live healthy. Finally how much would they have to invest to get people to change their minds. The demand for Diesels in America outside of trucks are limited at best. We just saw the Cruze go on the market and fail. If everyone who said they would buy one had bought one they would have told 100K units but yet they sold just a small number. Dare to be Different is one thing but Dare to take a great risk and fail miserably is just stupid. GM is smart to develop the diesels for Cadillac as they will need them in Europe and they have the advantage to start small here and grow them slowly. They will be able to handle the low volume as Europe will eat up most of the production as may China. You can spout all the numbers you like about torque but when it is falling on ears that have no clue and already thing all cars cost too much they will show little interest to step up. Audi did a hell of a job marketing Diesels here but yet it is rare to see one. They do well over in Europe but here not so much. BMW not so much either. Benz has their group as does VW and they keep coming back because they are happy. Even the Passat at a lower price is still not a common site with all the marketing.

They will need the Diesels for Europe but unless they really market them here and sell why they are better they will be doomed to fail as other diesels. Americans do not understand Diesels and they do not care for them. The real issue is the ever increasing government regulation on the new Diesels. My aftermarket Diesel performance suppliers are loosing a lot of sleep with the regulation issues. One was just fined millions of dollars. This is not an issue in Europe as the governments have been fair to them. The other issues is the price of gas and Diesel. People do not see the value when the fuel is more expensive and if they never drive the car they never feel or see the need if what it can do,

I would be more disturbed by a Malibu nearing $40K and a Cruse nearing $30K. Everyone wants to make more money but it just starts a viscous circle where you want to make more prepare to pay more. We all can expect to be millionaires and still shop at Walmart. I expect it will get only worse and the people in the pool able to buy a new car will only grow smaller or more in debt.

Name: Pontiac Fiero 2M6 SE (1985) Date Added: 29 April 2015 - 08:57 PM Owner: hyperv6 Short Description: Original owner Crashed and rebuilt Canadian Export Model Won class at Fiero Nationals 3 times Won class at Pontiac Nationals 10+ times I lost count Won Ames top 5 award 2 times out of 600 plus Pontiacs Many Pontiac prototype parts scoops and 1990 Fiero emblem T tops Herb Adams VSE suspension 50% original paint View Vehicle

Name: Pontiac Fiero 2M6 (1985) Date Added: 29 April 2015 - 06:28 PM Owner: hyperv6 Short Description: Original owner Crashed rebuilt half of the car is original GM paint. Place first in class at Pontiac Nationals 10+ times and won the Ames top 5 award at the event 2 times View Vehicle

Still much better price than the BMW and Benz. If it falls short anywhere it will be forgivable and if it leads in any area it will prove to be a bargain. Hellcat? Sorry this is a complete package not a value car with an expensive engine that can not use all the power it makes.

I simply said my custom hood that had a hood vent styled similar to a GT 40 hood. Reread it and move your lips if it helps. You and Einstein were both Humans but I would never say you were basically the same either. It must be true what they say. Some folks know they are resigned to lose so they lose a little everyday.

I had a couple photos in the Garage but they are gone.. I will post something later.

Well I like the car as Cadillac as tried to fit in but they did not do like others and not at least do something a little original. They have their own style and looks like their own take on performance. As for the so called boy racer items. I have no issue with them since they really do work. Now if they were like on many cars today fake I would say leave them alone. I have a vented hood on my Fiero. It is in the style of a GT 40 like hood. It really did relieve the under hood pressure makes the car more stable. But the really cool thing is at night you see a big moth out in front and when it gets over the vent it shoots strait up in the air. Best damn bug deflector I have ever owned. LOL!

I agree they are too minivan like and it hurts to a point. I have hopes a Colorado based SUV is in the works and not the Holden one as it is not a real looker.

I like this car very much. I just wish they could have changed the cluster a little more and I can hear them all niggle about the at the limit twitchiness that few will ever reach. I also ponder how this translates to the coming Camaro SS with similar power. This bodes well for the SS and just think about the Z/28 with ceramic brakes bigger tires and other goodies.

I just saw one yesterday that was not even a GS and I thought how well the styling has held up even as old as it is. They got the proportions and spacing just right on that design. The next model will be a challenge to capture this magic again.

Well the real volume went to the Tahoe. I can remember thinking no one would buy a smaller Suburban but I was as far off on that one as I ever could have been. I thought no one would down size and if they did they would buy the Blazer. Well I watched as the Tahoe just devoured the market segment taking many sales from the larger model and all but finished off the Blazer. But on the good side GM did not loose these sales and if anything gained more with Ford going FWD/AWD with their present Explorer. They just have to get this sorted out to an acceptable model moving forward as they can not afford to loose these sales. While the CUV market is growing fast there is still a need for the Tahoe.

Still not enough Mormons to take up the loss in the market on the numbers they used to sell. The fact is no matter how they play with the numbers they will still need to either sell more high mileage cars to counter them or not sell them at all. That is why so many have left already. I know the 3/4 segment gets a break but in time that will still not be enough unless GM can sell a lot of hybrid cars to counter that. As for you Electric idea that is nice but ideas like that come cheap and pricing them to the point people will pay them on an already maxed out priced vehicle is difficult. Add to that the guys pulling trailers are generally not tree huggers and will not pony up the extra money to save a tree. On the converse the people who are saving trees will not buy anything this large. They generally set fire to them on dealer lots. it is a good idea as if you increase the MPG on the more popular poor mileage models you will see more gain. But getting people in these segments to pay the extra cost. Not easy.

The 3/4 ton is not a big seller. Most go to businesses and that is where they will leave it. I suspect in time the larger SUV models will get reduced down as it is a segment that will not do well as time goes forward. Many other MFG have already left the segment. I had heard one GM engineer already say a couple years ago he said there was talk of leaving the larger segment at some point. With Tahoe sales doing well That I am sure is shelved but the time is running out on vehicles with high mass like this in large number's. GM may offer them but will try to limit sales to where they make money but not completely leave a segment. I can remember a 3/4 Burb on every corner but anymore it is rare to see one that does not have a company name or highway department sign on it.

I think so too: maybe two 2.0L blocks paired? Oh God no. This is not the old GM where they will do cheap short cuts to save a buck. The V8 will be a entire new engine and not stuff grafted together to save money. The only reasons I say 2.0-3.0-4.0 is because with a turbo engines this size has been found to be the most efficient for power and economy. In the SAE story I read a while back they said these sizes were found to be the sweet spot and are why they are so common today. God you made me think of that awful Quad 4 grafted V8 they did. At least it never went production and gave way to the N star that had its own issues with underfunded development. Excuse me while I go wash my memory. LOL! My bash on the N star is not as much design as it was on the quality of the build. The engine needed things like head studs vs. the cheap head bolts and it could have avoided many of the blown head gaskets in several of the years. Also the ring issue was never solved for the people who did not run them hard. Carbon build up lead to a lot of oil use issues. This was most problematic on Cadillac's owned by older people who never saw hard RPM. You often could take them and blow them out to fix it but many never knew to do that. LOL I meant paired as in basic specs like bore, stroke, cylinder wall thickness. not gluing a couple 2.0L engines together I know but it brought back some bad visions of the past. I could see this parts sharing on Chevy or other GM models but if you want exclusive engine you don't want to show a lot of parts sharing with a V8 with 4 cylinder pistons. While this is smart economically it is not smart in a higher class vehicle you are going to ask 2-3 times the price for. Sharing parts comes across as cheap cost savings in a class where you expect the engine to be well crafted for each and every vehicle. In this segment they can afford to spend more as they are making a lot more profit per each unit. Part of the problem Cadillac and many other GM car have had is they have shared too many drivetrain parts on models where it matters. Pontiac's heart and soul was their own engines and tunes. While the last TA models with Chevy engines were great cars they really were just rebodied Chevy models and really had little Pontiac DNA. IF they had not looked better than the Camaro they would have failed long ago. Cadillac needs to make 3 distinct engines with tunes for each and every model they serve. The engines need to be a part of each model not just what ever they had that they could put under the hood.

I think so too: maybe two 2.0L blocks paired? Oh God no. This is not the old GM where they will do cheap short cuts to save a buck. The V8 will be a entire new engine and not stuff grafted together to save money. The only reasons I say 2.0-3.0-4.0 is because with a turbo engines this size has been found to be the most efficient for power and economy. In the SAE story I read a while back they said these sizes were found to be the sweet spot and are why they are so common today. God you made me think of that awful Quad 4 grafted V8 they did. At least it never went production and gave way to the N star that had its own issues with underfunded development. Excuse me while I go wash my memory. LOL! My bash on the N star is not as much design as it was on the quality of the build. The engine needed things like head studs vs. the cheap head bolts and it could have avoided many of the blown head gaskets in several of the years. Also the ring issue was never solved for the people who did not run them hard. Carbon build up lead to a lot of oil use issues. This was most problematic on Cadillac's owned by older people who never saw hard RPM. You often could take them and blow them out to fix it but many never knew to do that.

Mullaly did many good things but he also has not fixed everything. He is one of the leaders who has wanted to kill Lincoln. Where Ford has beaten GM and Beaten them well was at Marketing. They have taken things GM has had like Turbo DI engine for years and made it sound like they invented them. Just look at how they managed the Aluminum truck deal as they have made it sound like they accomplished the impossible while Industry has used Aluminum in truck beds, Dumps and box vans for years. The real trick is to control cost and repair cost and both are TBD. Mark has tried to be Lutz but he is the Timid Lutz as he has not fully stepped out year. Say what you like about Johann but he did get GM to commit to Cadillac like no one since Harley Earl. I will give him credit as his a$$ is on the line so he will be either the hero or goat and no one else to blame. Not many people in this industry are willing to do this anymore. Because of this I will give the benefit of the doubt till the product shows up. For a guy Johann has done in less than a year on the job more than anyone else. He has gotten $12 Billion, He has stated the cars are good but we need to do better. Tough thing to say but true. He showed how flawed the marketing has been and is now starting a new image building sequence of advertising around the CTS, ATSV and CT6. He also has been on top of social media to counter the false claims or miss reporting of some of the info coming out of GM. It is not arrogant if you tell the truth. I think he may be a strong leader we have not seen at a Division for years. Lets face it the past Cadillac leaders all blended in and vanished. The way it was before he got there even Mark had to fight to get better door handles because of interference of the board. That should not be. I expect major changes in how Cadillac operates and I hope it trickles down to the other divisions if it works as planned.