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For instance, the best selling car in the world......Focus. And may the fleas of a thousand Greek goats infest your jockey shorts. The key word here is world not US market. The real challenge here is that this car has to sell in the US market a market not really big on Hatchbacks. In todays market most people if given a choice of a car like this or say an Encore of Trax optioned similar at the same price the American will take the CUV. The CUV rules in this market as the higher roofs and higher sitting vehicle appeal to people here. If they can't have it bigger they want it taller. The Focus sales are global and that is why it does well. Opel also does well with the hatch but it is in Europe. That is why I think a OPC based Buick would be a better move here than a 4 door hatch Chevy. The lower volume can be leveraged over several markets. Just look at the price of the top performance Ford Hatch and the volume of the performance version here. The numbers are low enough that with out the help of global sales they may not have had a business case for it. The Buick Opel would enjoy the similar volumes global. The new Civic will also enjoy the same volumes as it is also global. But here in the states they will be not a car you will see daily. Then factor in the Camaro and Mustang. The cheaper cars with smaller engines are good buys and as fast as the V8 cars of just a couple years ago. Makes even a hatch SS or even the Focus a hard choice when you can get the power in RWD and a sporty coupe. You don't even have to remove the interior to make it faster.

An enthusiast is someone who loves cars. A automotive authority understands why some are not built. An Automotive Expert begs fro a car that is cool but has no market while handing you the wrench you need to fix his car as he is leaning on the fender. I would love an SS but it would be a difficult business case at Chevy. The price of a well optioned SS would not be cheap like the Ford. Ford has become a company that tries to do it all with one brand pretty much. GM on the other hand has a Buick division they could bring the Opel Astra OPC over with a Buick grill and lay waste to the Ford with a much better car from a division that could better justify the lower volume of a high priced FWD. At Chevy you would be staring at $35K for a Cruze SS if you did it right. [Note my HHR SS in 08 Stickered at $28,000 and it had a cheap interior} Being the car would not be sold in other markets it would need to be at higher volumes. The Camaro on the other hand in V6 form would be as fast or faster and about the same price and maybe a little cheaper. http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2014-opel-astra-opc-extreme-photos-and-info-news Really look at the sales volume of the Cobalt SS and see there is a small market for this kind of car in a local market but Ford and Honda both market their cars globally at lower volumes that add up. This is a perfect play for the Buick White Space cars and it would fill the niche with a better car than Chevy could offer. I am all for a Chevy Cruze SS in my heart but my business side leads me to a model already there and could be a better car with more profits. Note too as a Buick they could make the car Premium Required easier and bump the HP of the 2.0 much higher. The limiting factor on the 2.0 is Chevys insistence of Premium Recommended Ratings as not to hurt sales. My LNF is now with the GM performance tune Premium Required but I gain over HP right to 300 HP and 315 FT LBS. With the better tranny the car could do 340 FT LBS.

The truth is they all are becoming the little car companies anymore. Even Cadillac is only half the size they used to be.

When you disagree you really help sharpen my game. If you just debate with yes men you lose your edge! LOL! Are you sure you lose your edge? The Yes Man might just be wanting to use the diamond sharpener to refold the Samurai sword for better slicing! After all , I love a good debate to a fault also and yet have no problem playing devils advocate to see if one might change their mind! There are those debates that hold a different opinion and no respect and then there are those who disagree but yet hold some respect. He has shown me respect in the past and I return in kind. We get along well even if we do not agree. The intelligent argument is often not the opinion you give but the opinion you hold back. When it comes to arguments pick and choose carefully. He made his point I made mine time to move on.

Now if only all those who said to make one buy one GM will do well. Like the Colorado Diesel GM called your bluffs so now pony up the money.

I see where this will play now. GM has targeted the Bolt and I expect most EV cars to this in the Cities. Most people can not own a EV in town as they do not have a place to charge them let alone park them. This way they do not have to buy them, they do not need to charge them and they do not have to park them. Lets face it the best place for an EV is in a downtown Metro area but it is the worst place to own a car let alone a EV car with no charging stations. They really have invented the Johnny Cab from the Arnold movie.

Yes everyone stepped up the game and this car just remained with small changes. Chrysler and Fiat never really showed it the love it needed.

When you disagree you really help sharpen my game. If you just debate with yes men you lose your edge! LOL!

Those are on the book profits. Being able to sell 90k Regals in China means being able to sell 30k Regals in the US and 75k Insignias in the EU. It gives the auto makers volume they otherwise wouldn't have. Buick in particular. Yes with out the volume of Opel and Buick both brands would not be with us today if not globalization. It has gotten to a point a brand not just a MFG needs a large volume to cover the development cost anymore. The spreading out of the Buick, Opel, Vauxhall and Holden models will keep them alive and profitable. This is why we will see many smaller companies with lower volumes in less than global markets die in the next ten years unless they partner with someone.

My fiance actually KNEW one of the victims because they were going to grad school together. The person fell asleep at the wheel and wrapped the car around a tree. The family tried filing suit against GM to blame the car once or twice prior to the ignition scandal, but failed to get their "justice" until the scandal broke national headlines. To suggest anyone else was responsible for that death but the driver of the car is total insanity. I don't think an individual driving drunk or without a seatbelt in an at-fault accident (or falling asleep at the wheel) has any more right to an injury claim than a burglar getting shot in someone's house. If you stop off at the bar on the way home and have 2 beers, that is about the amount to declare you drunk. Or lets say your forgot to put your belt on, does either of those events, or a combination of them....which happens frequently.. put you in the same league as a burglar robbing your house, to take away your rights? Of course not. Thus that is a bad analogy. Truth is, GM was at fault for the vast majority of those injuries and deaths, so I am not so sure it is justice to pick several incidents out of a list and exploit them. People died because of a known failure that should have been fixed long ago. That is what everyone is lawyering-up for, and yes, some of it is disgusting as it's like blood in the water. But GM shed the blood, let's not forget. Don't sit there and say "truth is" while you put forth your opinionated anti-GM rhetoric. First off, two beers is not the legal drinking limit, that's roughly .04 blood alcohol. We're talking about accidents CAUSED by drunk driving (which is ILLEGAL). You don't drink "two beers" and accidentally drive twice the speed limit in the rain, sideswipe a car out of control, and veer off the road into a tree (actual case presented against GM, and awarded as a victim). Secondly, a seatbelt is REQUIRED for an airbag to work as engineered as it keeps your body in the right place to protect. That belt is the #1 safety device in a car above all else. You don't "forget" to put on a seatbelt, and if you do (which is also ILLEGAL so we're clear), you sure as hell can't blame THE CAR for your death in an **at fault** accident. Did you catch that part? At fault? Because I said it the first time and you glossed over it. The burglar analogy is perfectly legitimate because it requires the same logic that the person made a series of illegal choices that directly lead to their demise, but they or their family want compensation from the car manufacterer aka home owner because this individual didn't necessarily HAVE to die when their number was called. The insanity comes in when so many of these fatal crashes were incredibly unlikely to have been survivable with perfectly functioning airbags. Regarding the beer count, Meh.....I drink tall beers that are usually about 7-8% Alcohol content. Granted, sure, small 12% cans of lite beer at 4% content, take about 4 qty. I don't drink those at the bar. So that is my baseline. I could do the math a bit more for my 185lb frame, and it would easily be around 2-3 tall beers (around 18oz), but my point was not how many, but the fact everyone does it and that those who do, are not criminals who are burglarizing a home.....to contradict your burglary analogy. And sorry, no, that is a freaking pathetic example. Same goes for a belt that someone forgot to put on. It happens. And yes we know that belts must be worn to be effective. Duh. How you can compare daily decisions by thousands, with that of someone who takes a gun to rob you.....is, well.....pathetic. And sorry my good sir, I will give my opinion all I like on the matter. All you can do is agree, disagree or contest. Thus far, contesting seems to not be your forte. I presented a well thought out argument with facts and references to the actual trial, and an analogy that makes perfect sense with the reasoning that I laid out TWICE (and at least one other member agrees with it). You call it "pathetic" without presenting any support or reasoning. You come back with nonsense about how you drink 20 oz 8% beers so 2 beers is the correct number. Are you kidding me? Any logical person thinks of two beers at a bar as a 12 oz glass and your run-of-the-mill 4.0-5.5% content. If you're drinking 20 oz servings of high-octane beer, you better believe driving safe is STILL YOUR RESPONSIBILITY even if you only have 2 or 3. I take no issue with you presenting your opinion, no matter how biased or ill informed, I WILL take issue with you or anyone else presenting an opinion as "truth" or fact in a condescending manner. Your greatest argument seems to be telling me how "pathetic" mine is. Does not really matter how many times you "laid out your reasoning" because it is a horrible analogy. Driving after a few drinks and/or not using a belt should NOT preclude one to losing their rights in the same vein as robbing a house. That is a terrible analogy, easily the worst I have ever heard in my life, and I have to apologize if your feelings are hurt. Why? Because most people drink at some point and then get behind the wheel, and many may or do forget their belt. Not arguing that is somehow OK or right, but to remove culpability from the responsible manufacturer for a failed defect that has also killed or injured many hundreds of people as well, simply won't get you far. And to attribute that to armed robbery......welll, nuff said. But hey, I do wish GM luck in getting closure on this matter, as I have repeatedly said already. Please don't take anything yesterday personal. To me it was just a debate and nothing else. I like to debate with you and like to keep the door open for more civil discourse. We may not agree always but this was nothing for either of us to get mad over. I was not upset and hope you were the same. I hope I did not mash your toe too hard!

Just goes to show the point I made that we have vested interest in each other. One goes down we all go down. This is how the new world works at least with the economic leaders. All markets have these built in safety valves as they do not want to repeat the Black Friday Even of 1929 again. These safety valves give them time to sort things out. But the bottom line is we have to be concerned about Chinas economy and they have to be concerned about outs. One goes we all go.

Anyone noticed how the Chinese stock market dropped yesterday and almost took ours with it? Yes we have a vested interest in their economy just as they do in ours. It kind of keeps everyone more honest and from destroying the others economy. As I have said keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Lets pose this. Say if your family is coming home and someone has a few beers and they are not able to handle as well as you then you would be ok if they go left of center and hit your family head on killing several be cause everyone does it? Well if that was the case then it is ok for GM to make a bad ignition to as all the car makers make a bad part or defective car. They all do it so that must mean that is ok to?

I love the line you used "everyone does it". Now that is pathetic. That may be part of the problem. If you want to drink then drink but don't drive. If you drive and kill someone then we should cut your nuts off. Sorry this is right or wrong result and just because many do the wrong thing does not make it right. Good god I sat home the last two weeks on vacation and how many lawyer commercials did I have to see where all they say is we will make them pay! This whole deal has taken the intent of the law and put it right down the $h!ter.

Those were the cases publicly presented at the GM trial. I read the same case files. To me, it was DISGUSTING to see families of "victims" pawing for money after the person in question drove drunk and/or without seatbelt. We are a society becoming devoid of personal responsibility and that has become a travesty of the justice system. My fiance actually KNEW one of the victims because they were going to grad school together. The person fell asleep at the wheel and wrapped the car around a tree. The family tried filing suit against GM to blame the car once or twice prior to the ignition scandal, but failed to get their "justice" until the scandal broke national headlines. To suggest anyone else was responsible for that death but the driver of the car is total insanity. I don't think an individual driving drunk or without a seatbelt in an at-fault accident (or falling asleep at the wheel) has any more right to an injury claim than a burglar getting shot in someone's house. If you stop off at the bar on the way home and have 2 beers, that is about the amount to declare you drunk. Or lets say your forgot to put your belt on, does either of those events, or a combination of them....which happens frequently.. put you in the same league as a burglar robbing your house, to take away your rights? Of course not. Thus that is a bad analogy. Truth is, GM was at fault for the vast majority of those injuries and deaths, so I am not so sure it is justice to pick several incidents out of a list and exploit them. People died because of a known failure that should have been fixed long ago. That is what everyone is lawyering-up for, and yes, some of it is disgusting as it's like blood in the water. But GM shed the blood, let's not forget. Don't sit there and say "truth is" while you put forth your opinionated anti-GM rhetoric. First off, two beers is not the legal drinking limit, that's roughly .04 blood alcohol. We're talking about accidents CAUSED by drunk driving (which is ILLEGAL). You don't drink "two beers" and accidentally drive twice the speed limit in the rain, sideswipe a car out of control, and veer off the road into a tree (actual case presented against GM, and awarded as a victim). Secondly, a seatbelt is REQUIRED for an airbag to work as engineered as it keeps your body in the right place to protect. That belt is the #1 safety device in a car above all else. You don't "forget" to put on a seatbelt, and if you do (which is also ILLEGAL so we're clear), you sure as hell can't blame THE CAR for your death in an **at fault** accident. Did you catch that part? At fault? Because I said it the first time and you glossed over it. The burglar analogy is perfectly legitimate because it requires the same logic that the person made a series of illegal choices that directly lead to their demise, but they or their family want compensation from the car manufacterer aka home owner because this individual didn't necessarily HAVE to die when their number was called. The insanity comes in when so many of these fatal crashes were incredibly unlikely to have been survivable with perfectly functioning airbags. Regarding the beer count, Meh.....I drink tall beers that are usually about 7-8% Alcohol content. Granted, sure, small 12% cans of lite beer at 4% content, take about 4 qty. I don't drink those at the bar. So that is my baseline. I could do the math a bit more for my 185lb frame, and it would easily be around 2-3 tall beers (around 18oz), but my point was not how many, but the fact everyone does it and that those who do, are not criminals who are burglarizing a home.....to contradict your burglary analogy. And sorry, no, that is a freaking pathetic example. Same goes for a belt that someone forgot to put on. It happens. And yes we know that belts must be worn to be effective. Duh. How you can compare daily decisions by thousands, with that of someone who takes a gun to rob you.....is, well.....pathetic. And sorry my good sir, I will give my opinion all I like on the matter. All you can do is agree, disagree or contest. Thus far, contesting seems to not be your forte. Yes you have a right to your opinion but we do too. You can deflect on this with how much you can drink or burglars but in the end it comes down to personal responsibility not only on the corporation but the customer too. You can vilify the so called Evil Corporation's all you like but in the end it is lack responsibility on all our parts corp and personal that create many of the messes we are in. The fairs fair and why GM should pay for their actions others should be held to the same standards and if they fail to follow due coarse of using their safety equipment, following the rules of the road and driving not under the influence they should not be fully rewarded. I really wish you would buy and read the book what would Jesus drives as if mostly is about Ford and the price they paid on several of their problems and much of it was not of their own doing. They pretty much fell on the sword for the Explorer Firestone deal. Firestone was really the one at fault but it did more damage to Ford because Firestone would not owe up to it. Also the fact the Firestone family had married into Ford that Ford would not go after them. There were other issues with fuel tanks and the like that they had to swallow that many of the victims did them selves in. If you are ok for people being rewarded for poor behavior then you get what you deserve.

Those were the cases publicly presented at the GM trial. I read the same case files. To me, it was DISGUSTING to see families of "victims" pawing for money after the person in question drove drunk and/or without seatbelt. We are a society becoming devoid of personal responsibility and that has become a travesty of the justice system. My fiance actually KNEW one of the victims because they were going to grad school together. The person fell asleep at the wheel and wrapped the car around a tree. The family tried filing suit against GM to blame the car once or twice prior to the ignition scandal, but failed to get their "justice" until the scandal broke national headlines. To suggest anyone else was responsible for that death but the driver of the car is total insanity. I don't think an individual driving drunk or without a seatbelt in an at-fault accident (or falling asleep at the wheel) has any more right to an injury claim than a burglar getting shot in someone's house. If you stop off at the bar on the way home and have 2 beers, that is about the amount to declare you drunk. Or lets say your forgot to put your belt on, does either of those events, or a combination of them....which happens frequently.. put you in the same league as a burglar robbing your house, to take away your rights? Of course not. Thus that is a bad analogy. Truth is, GM was at fault for the vast majority of those injuries and deaths, so I am not so sure it is justice to pick several incidents out of a list and exploit them. People died because of a known failure that should have been fixed long ago. That is what everyone is lawyering-up for, and yes, some of it is disgusting as it's like blood in the water. But GM shed the blood, let's not forget. Sorry if you are drunk you are drunk and your reactions are deamed not up to their best. You may not feel that way but when you hit the guard rail with a slow reaction 2 beers are enough. If you forget your belt and die that is driver error. You if you crash and die you contributed to the choice of life or death. Not sure how a break in factors in here. Now if I shoot the intruder and he dies it is his fault because he made the choice to break in just as if someone chose not to wear a belt or drink. The fact is in most of these cases most have actions that they did or chose that contributed to their deaths. The fact alone that the number and what ever number you chose to pick say 169 is only a small fraction of all the cars involved here so that is why the count of driver DUI and unbelted are so high. The truth is most people that experienced this issue were not drunk and were belted. So they did not crash and they did not die. Again the cars fully were steerable. This issue did not lock the column. Again this issue did not stop the power assist to the brakes as they have a check valve that holds more than enough assist to stop the car. Again the cars with people fully in control could be restarted with in a second or two with a fast bump to neutral and hitting the key. As I stated GM did screw up and I never denied it. But what killed many of the people were their own actions. I am a firm believer that people should be held responsible for their own actions and not rewarded. While they can sue GM they should not get the same amounts for not wearing a belt. It is like the girl in the back seat of the car GM paid off the family on for her death. She was not belted in the back seat. Even if the bag had worked it would have started to deflate before she even hit it. Dash air bags are timed for the front seat with a belted passenger not a back seat as one is being thrown clear. To me it is just sad lawyers can go after companies and I mean them all just to get a settlement to go away. Case in point a local man was 2 times the limit here and hit a tree in his Blazer at 90 MPH. It caught fires and he was burned to death. The family went to court and the judge would not let GM show he was speeding at a very high rate and could not disclose he was 2 times the limit. I don't care but you hit a tree in anything at 90 MPH you are going to have a good chance of buring to death. GM had to settle as it was cheaper than to fight. Ford faces the same issues and we all have to pay for this because some of us are greedy and some of us think it is noble. But yet you get stuck with the tab.

I dunno about that. The Colorado 7 looks a lot like the current Colorado.. and tho there are differences.. they could easily be tweaked to align properly with the pick-up. Then again.. the Silverado doesn't exactly look like a twin to the Tahoe/Suburban either It uses the overseas Colorado front clip so it would be gone for sure and the rear clip and doors are too Nissanish. I have seen many on web sites say they would like a vehicle like this but hope it would get a make over. I am sure it would.

These things are all things they have had planned but it is only now the pieces are falling in place. GM has done well with the CUV and SUV models and needed to get the cars up to speed. Now that they are there it is time to advance the SUV CUV models to the next level. Also they will focus to get more people to down size as they will have higher prices and lower sales on the full size models. We have seen them drop already and they will continue to drop. The pricing is the key to still make money but limit sales for future CAFE regs. I would not expect a Colorado 7 here as the styling would not play well. But a new Colorado based SUV should be in the cards. We have the Blazer name and All Terrain name registered and that leads me to a Chevy and GMC unibody RWD/AWD. As for Cadillac they will need to offer some smaller models as everyone else will too. They will not to be dependent on them but they need to at least find an acceptable offering exspecially for Europe.

Could you at least keep your nonfounded gloom and doom out of my posts? FYI, the Guilla platform is going to underpin the next gen dues between 2018 and 2020. The refresh is fantastic though and the car drives as well as anything it competes with. The interior is second to none, and with the V6/8 speed it is quick enough to be entertaining and yet achieve over 30 MPG on the highway. 99.9% of the buying public doesn't even know what wheels power their car, nevermind the platform it is on. If you do not want opinions then stop posting threads. If you want to prove me wrong that is fine I am a big boy and can take it. Note I am far from the only one with this opinion. Hell GM gave their opinion on FCA this year. I know the Guilia is coming but I can see you have little experience with Fiat and Alfa. I would not consider this a good thing. As for the year 2018-20 it should have been 2014. By then GM will have a new Alpha 2 platform and be one full generation ahead. The present cars are pleasant. But they are falling behind. They have become the W body for Chrysler. While the W body was a good car too it was around way too long. Generally most do know FWD and RWD. People are not all that bright anymore but they are at least not that stupid overall. You should be livid if you are a Chrysler fan as many of my friends are as Sergio is screwing Chrysler royally. The biggest problem now is Alfa is going to fall way short of the Volume Sergio said he needed. If they fall short that will cut funds. If Funds are cut where do you expect them to cut them. Not on any Italian brand. My whole point is We in America have lost too many brands already and I do not want to see Chrysler gone. As things are now they are being treated by FCA as the red headed step child. Sergio is putting all his chips on Alfa when it is Dodge that would bring up the volume and profits. If you really are a Chrysler fan you had better pay better attention to what is happening to your company. I was terrified that this man wanted GM and I say a prayer that a large rock falls on Sergio before he takes away anymore American brands. He already has killed the Viper due to poor management. You would thing with the resources at his control at Ferrari they could have done a much better car that would have sold in higher numbers an make a profit. He let them go to waste so he could sell his Alfa coupe.

I only detailed the first 13 but I that does not mean I looked into other random ones and found similar patterns. I am not going to say they are not all legit but so far I have yet to see one that the driver did not play into some part of their actions or inaction contributed to their deaths. Hear me clear I am not saying GM did not mess up here and not make a bad part. They DID. But the matter of life and death also fell into the hands of the drivers that did not make use of safety gear and were not operating the vehicle under conditions safe to drive in. The pattern is clear and there were contributions by both parties here in what I have looked at. The other cases the info is harder to get as the media did not report on them as extensively. What I am saying before you totally condemn GM for the whole thing you need to really look at the details too often left out by the media and legal representation. We have seen it time and time again where automakers are attack for failings of the operators or others not named in the media. The simple fact is too that must be remembered. These cars are not rendered un drivable with the key in off. They still steered and at speed they are harder but not impossible to drive. We drove for many years with out power steering. As for brakes they worked too. They contain a check valve that retains vacuum that provides enough power assist to stop the car. The steering does not lock with this defective ignition and it would have to pass another detent. Also keep in mind an air bag used with out a seat belt can also do more damage as in some cases it has broken necks. My point is yes this was a problem but the public was not clearly made aware of all the facts here. Like too many other things in life we only get half the story. The media and the web are not always to be fully trusted and we should always seek more than one source. Car and Driver did a story that was very balanced and one of the best as it presented all the facts not just what they wanted to do. the one girl Amber that the media got ahold of her birth mother. She was making a big stink about this on a daughter she had just met 16 years after giving her up for adoption. She was in the media and they gave her all the time in the world to pour out her grief and hate of GM. Well she really had not been a part of her daughters life till right before the crash. Even then the family that raised her and adopted her had already received a pay out. She was in it for the money but yet the media did not tell you that till we got word her adopted family was paid. She vanished real fast from the TV then. This was the girl that was speeding into the dead end street drunk after fighting with her boyfriend. Her crash was not one that many would have survived with an air bag or even a 5 way harness. Trees in your lap are a killer. We saw the same thing on the truck fires for Chevy. NBC tried to make a big deal of it but yet could not reproduce the problem. So they faked it and used a model rocket engine and spilled fuel to make it appeal to have failed. That made big news till it was proven fraud. Then it was reported in the back pages it was not a true test. Audi was hit for unintended acceleration. There was never anything wrong with the cars. If anything the pedals were close and drivers stepped on the wrong pedal. It was driver error. 60 Min never took back their damaging claims. It took Audi 5-10 years to recover. There many other deals. Like I said read the What Would Jesus drive as it is a very good read and shows you just how these things work on the inside. This guy is out of the PR business and tells the whole deal. Also he adds some really good marketing stories too. I had heard about it from Autoweek and I would recommend it to anyone interested in the car industry. As for how this happened in GM I would recommend Lutz book on GM when he got there. Car Guys VS. Bean Counters. He talks of the damaged culture at GM. You would not believe some of the stories on how bad he found it. That is why he pushed for culture change that Mary today is still pushing hard. I think they are mostly cleared up but there is still work to do and to continue doing to make sure it never happens again. GM really did more damage to themselves as half the time the left hand did not know what the right hand was doing. GM really did a lot of internal damage in the way they empowered people and how they reported to each other. For instance panel gaps were horrible when Lutz arrived. He asked why GM could not match even Hyundai. The engineer in charge said he could. Lutz asked then why are we not doing it. He said he was not told to do it. Yes he could not ask to do this and was only allowed to do what he was old by someone over him that had no clue. This his how a deal like this ignition could vanish inside GM. If someone found an issue or screwed up they would not or could not report it and no one would know unless told there was a problem. I am sure a handful of people knew but how high up and how large of a group I suspect was limited. This was a time GM was buying a bearing that was the same bearing under 5 different part numbers at 5 different prices. Like I said really messed up.

Yup, it is our fault. Not faulting the Chinese Government for taking advantage of it, I'm more angry with GM for doing this as I don't think it's needed and it makes them look bad especially when people are still angry over the bailout. You want them to be bad at business? If anything, from a strictly business standpoint, more Buicks should be built in China because that's where most of them are sold. GM cannot and should not be spinning up a whole new production line just to build 60,000 cars for the U.S. They've already had to move the Terrain and Equinox around a bit just to accommodate those two. If they build Buick's in China and sell them there I have no problem with that. I think you all are downplaying the way this will play out in the media and in the mind of consumers. We may be rooting for GM, those that aren't will come down on them harder than I am. As for not being able to produce the Envision in the U.S. that's just another sign of GM's shortsightedness. I think GM needs a new CEO, have thought it for a long time. Barra is not up to the job, IMO Well most of us have been around to know when to panic and when to not. Being that over half this country drives imported cars you will see little push back. These folks just don't care anymore. and that is a big part of the problem. Also it is going to take hard work and some sacrifice in different ways to change things but most will not. As tough as the depression and wars were on us they did build generation that would do what it took to make this a better country. Today so many are either too greedy or indifferent anymore. At leat till it is too late. GM knows what they are doing. This is a limited import and with a vehicle that has everything to gain and little too lose. If we are right it is added profits to GM. If you are right they pull the plug and sell off the remaining inventory. Mary has done a better job than most CEO's that have faced the challenges that she has faced. I was not a fan when I heard she was chosen but now I look back and I was wrong about her as she has done one hell of a Job. Besides this choice may have been Marks to start with anyways since it is his job to make these decisions. So be careful who you blaime or give credit to. I do believe we need some real leadership changes but Trump and Bernie are not what we really need. We don't even need Hilary or Cruz either. The problem is the people we need are too smart to run for office.

Drew you might also add where much of the money comes back to. GM and Chrysler were pretty much in the same boat broke. They both got bailed out and what happened from there is telling. Chrysler with no presents in China had to find a partner to survive. The best they could do is Fiat also in dire money trouble and with little presents in China. Today they are living on Jeep sales and not much else. GM on the other hand took what money they had and put it into their car lines so they would have something to hold them on the other side. While that was going on sales were surging in China that brought income to America so they could continue to produce new platform and new cars that were desperetly needed. Now with out China GM may have had a hard time replacing anything or updating as much as they have. Sure the trucks bring in money but at the time little else. Today that is changing and the market share in China is paying for many of the things we need here.

Well I am an owner of one of the cars that received the new key and cylinder. The leverage was one reason the other was a fast easy way to tell if it had been fixed. As for the issue while you hear and some count 169 deaths they leave out a lot of what really happened in many of these counted deaths and the conditions and circumstances. First off millions of these cars were built. Second many of the death would have happened even if the key had not had an issue. Many of the deaths the Air Bags were not going to save the driver or passengers. Note I investigated the first 13 reported deaths. Being I owned a car I wanted the truth and the whole truth not just from GM but the Media. What they fail to tell you is in the first 13 reported deaths only two could even be considered likely that the GM fault was in play. And only then do I list these as in play because there was not any info on one and the other there was a great lack of info to the point I could not determine the issues that lead to the deaths. The others it was pretty clear what happened in most of them. Speed, Under the Infulance of drugs or alcohol and no seat belts were prime factors. I do not have the info here handy but I found the crash reports on the web and it was clear what happened to most of them. Examples. One girl was over the limit and driving in a 25 MPH zone to a dead end at 63 MPH and unbelted. She hit a tree and died on impacts. The bag in this case would not have saved her. 3 girls went off the road and hit a tree again. No belts with the driver and back seat passenger. I am not sure on the survivor in the front. They died and the bag for sure would not have saved the back seat passenger as she was thrown into the dash. She may have done more damage to the passenger up front than the crash. Two boys in Indiana. 70 Plus MPH, Drunk and no belts. Off the road and hit a tree. They impacted so hard they had to remove the drivers legs as they went through the floor as the tree came into the front seat area. One woman had a medical emergency. She had a seizure and hit the gas with no belt and crashed. I can go on as this repeats over and over and over. Why does GM not fight these. Well for several reasons. One they did cheap out on the ignition so weather they people would have lived or died they made a mistake. Second the pay out is cheaper than trying to defend all these cases. Most lawyers know that many of these cases are bogus but they know GM will pay to make them go away. That is why many are taking what is offered as if they had a better case they could get more money. Finally the one big reason. PR. TO fight this the media already did not play fair and if GM fought this the media would bake them in the press. They have a habit of not reporting all the facts and making hero's and villains that draw attention. It goes back to the if it bleeds it leads mentality. The world as the web reports it is not always as it seams. I would recommend the book What does Jesus Drive. It is not a religion book but a book from a guy that worked in the auto industry mostly for Ford, Nissan and Chrysler and it tells how these crisis work and what all companies face in dealing with them. It tells of dirt on both sides but the media is a lot more dirty than most think. So when ever you see someone defending the GM side keep in mind there was a lot more to this story than reported. That is part of the reason GM got off easier than many anticipated. In this country people are innocent till proven guilty. In the media the larger corporations are guilty till proven innocent. Also with the way our legal system is you do not have to be guilty to have to pay out on a law suit. Most lawyers know they will not win but they will hope to settle and that is good with them. That is why they take so many cases even bad ones as they know the odds are they will get paid to go away. In this deal the loser does not have to pay and because of it this sets up cooperate blackmail. The laws will not change as most people in office are lawyers or take money from lawyers to not change the laws. But the bottom line is that in many of these crashes the air bag was the least of their issues that caused the crash or death. Note too that the Steering in these cases did not lock and was still fully able to turn the cars. The brakes did not lose power assist as you have normally several good pumps before the vacuum is used up. The keys in these cases just went to the off setting not locked. The dirty little truth only Car and Driver published and few other media outlets did. And again the key chains in many cases were loaded up. That is why not all of the cars had any issues as well as there was an improved model out there but they did not know where they were since it had the same part number. It is possible that some of these crashes even had the better cylinders. There was just a lot more too this and the media just had a field day in most of the cases. I really think this was a good thing for GM in the long run. Mary was still getting some of the old GM culture fighting her on changes they were trying to make. When this came along it gave her the ammo to go after the old culture people that created the conditions that let this happen and made many leave or go silent. I truly think that GM will benefit from this in the long run and will keep them from repeating this. Thing have really changed inside but She is still not done yet.

Dude it is clear China is not our best friend. Just by the way they steal from our unwitting government military secrets are enough to show that. The bottom line is you are not going to starve China out and you are not going to our produce them. They are too large and their labor is to cheap to do so no matter how you figure it. You can compare Apples to Oranges or Mac or what ever all day and it is only a single drop in the bucket. To defend against China and its economic might we need to do so also economically in areas we still can compete. Chinas weakness is they can only copy and reproduce. They are learning to create but they are still behind. If our government would wake up and fund more projects with the Military and NASA the technology race would be in our favor and we could if we protect it use it to our advantage. Then we could play games with currency values as they do and hold some leverage. As of now American companies can not afford not to be a part of their economy as those who do not participate will be at a major disadvantage. Any automaker not involved in China runs the risk of failure in the long run as development cost continue to rise they need to find more market share while other markets remain stagnate. As they say keep my friends close and mine enemies closer. But to harp about poor quality and harp about patriotism is not going to work. They make things as well as we do in many areas anymore. Also to convince the American public to either work for less money or pay more for average everyday goods is not going to wash either. America has been dealt a hand and we have to play it at this point. We still hold enough cards to remain relevant but harping over a hand full of Buicks is not going to so a damn thing. The fact is you have to use all the facts not just the emotional ones. And again why do you not complain about all the pharmaceutical companies importing the prescription drugs we take. Most come from there anymore and I find that more disturbing since much of it could not be made here in short term if they cut it off. Buick you can choose not to buy but a valuable drug keeping mom or dad alive is not an option.

The problem is life Ain't fair. If you do not want a Chinese built vehicle do not buy one. Yes the trade rules have not been fair to the United States in China but also in most countries it is not fair to us. Just look at what Japan has required alone. What he leaves out in China yes they pay less to their workers but they also have a lot more government supported things since they are socialist. When the Government is providing so much the need to pay workers a lot comes down. Yes the housing can be basic and the health care sucks but that is part of the all share in victory and all share in defeat mentality of socialism. There is no perfect utopia out there were assembly line workers are going to be millionaires unless being a millionaire is middle class. The thinking anymore is everyone should have the same does not work. Everyone should have a chance to work for the same things but not be handed everything. You can raise min wage all day but in the end the workers end up in the same place as the cost of living increases to pay people more. The way out is to educate and work to improve your life but so many here will not do that. In China people have gone from Dirt huts to apartments in modern cities eating KFC that were not modern 25 years ago. They are buying Buicks in record numbers as well as many other western brands. They have improved their place in life with the interjection of opportunities that the controlled capitalism has given them. The fact is the Chinese government has no love for us but it is important that we remain important to them. Like it or not they need our buying power to remain relevant. Out place is to keep a controlled relevance to them. Lets face it if our economy did not matter to them they would shut us down in a heart beat. This is called Mutual Assured Economic Destruction and the world has been using this since the 60's. What has kept those with Nukes from making a move. The knowledge that if they take out a major player in the global market that they too will fall economically. Case in point the Russians did not want to make a move as they knew their already teetering economy was at risk if they did anything. China now is in this boat as they really have something to lose now. Then we have N Korea and Iran who both feel they have nothing to lose and pose to be two of the greatest dangers. You have one that is crazy and the other who what's to meet Ala soon and take out the infidels. Economics matter little to them. The fact is China is here and not going anywhere. The fact is we can not make many things anymore because we just don't hold the ability anymore. Fact China is not just making crap anymore and we need to take this seriously. Fact few people in this country are willing to be competitive globally pay wise so who are you going to get to build things here at a price people will buy them at and not visit COSCO? This is a time to work smarter and harder and deal with this head on. As of now few in our government will do what we need to do to gain our edge back. In fact what we have now is one that has only give away some of the edge we still hold and put us at a disadvantage. Unfortunaly we have become a divided nation of greedy lazy people. Both the left and right have their issues and we really have no clear leaders who are willing to take on the challenge. For those of you all panicked about a handful of Buicks you tend to overlook that most of your medications are now made there. You have a whole lot of things more serious to think about than these SUV's. Imagine if you need a specific drug for a illness and the China's economy fails and they stop production? That is only the start of problems. China and the United States at this point are tied together economically. Each is looking for an edges here but both know the other will flounder with out the other. We may not like each other but we both are in a place we both need each other. Do I wish we were self sustaining like we used to be? Yes but that is not going to happen as things have changed. We are to a point now we much continue to work to gain an edge to hold power to where we are relevant. Many great countries like Great Britain have lost their edge and hold little power in the world now. We must fight to prevent that. The really sad part are the folks that could really help us now want no part of our political system as it is such a mess all the way around. Why get involved there when they can do more good on their own. I am sure Steve here has good intentions but he is just thinking with his heart and not his head. There is just so much to this here all of us here could not resolve it in a few post. This is a deep issue that is on so many levels that most people can not grasp the complexity. Then you consider that most have no clue who are Vice President is then it is little wonder they have no understanding on this topic and what it really is all about. This is what you get for not teaching Political Science, more history and Economics in School.