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First off if they return to Europe it will not be with the intent on 1,000 units. The ATS is going to be a key player here as it is more of the kind of car Europe likes, Smaller. But in turn it is not going to be Europes leader in car sales. As for getting it right. I think GM has proven of late they have been getting out many good solid cars. A couple were home runs and other were vast improvments and up to market standards. Note many of these cars are things that were started before and finished after the Chapter 11. The cars like the ATS I expect will be to a new level. Even then not all are going to be home runs but all will help advance GM intot he future. There will always be negitives. GM could build the best car man has ever seen and someone will be there to pound it for some reason. The Flagship car will come. The Omega platform as some call it now I think will reflect the best efforts now that they have money to do it right. No more trying to graft a sun roof odd a older model to save money. No more odd rules to take styling away that would have never made prodution 20 years ago because of sight lines. I think GM deregulated internally will respond much a the buisness community does when restrictive and costly rules are pulled back. Nothing hold product back more than the lack of money and restrictive coperate rules. Even with Lutz gone I think the things he put in place are still going to move things forward for GM. While the Omega may have some Zeta in it I expect the changes will be to the point only those in the know like us here will ever pick up on the carry over parts. I don't know alot about this car yet but I get the feeling this car will suprise many of us.

The future for most companies and models with all MFG will be on a global scale. It will be more and more difficult yo make it in just one market anylonger. The fact is GM and Cadillac need to have a world presents. The fact that gets lost on many is Cadillac does not have to dominate Europe, BMW or Benz in their home market. All they have to do is sell cars at a profit. This is not a game where he who sells the most wins it is a game where those who profit survive. The key is to make the cars to the point they can sell them in all markets and appeal in each. The Chevy Cruze is doing such now. They may have to offer different engine tunes or suspension set ups but the basic car should be done to the point the final tuning will adapt it to that market. Cadillac in the past went to lenghts to build FWS small cars in Europe and streached cars in China? All they need to do is get a group of cars that would appeal to each of these groups and tune them to this market. They could so a special one or two models for each maket but just don't get carried away with it. I think the ATS is the first of these cars to appeal to a world market. I expect the models after that to also follw this path accept the XTS. I get the feeling the XTS will not be around long and will just fill in a gap in product till it can be replaced. The Interiors will improve as will their focus. In the past the Cadillac tried to please too many people at a lower price. Today they can focuse on more expensive cars built to a higher level. In the past they could only work with what they had. Also they has a lot of people compromising to save money in ways that really hurt Cadillas. IN Lutz's book he points out the many dumb things they did at Cadillac to save money at the expense of styling and sales. GM has compromised on saving a buck for so long it has hurt them in many ways. I see this changing and them doing things right into the future. Just a look at Chevy and how they are not cutting corners with even their small cars and Buick with their cars is giving me hope that they will follow through with the new models of Cadillac we have yet to see. It is now a global car market and the players that plan on surviving will have to please the world and not just California, Ohio and Florida.

I would have to disagree on this one. Cruze went for the "grown up" version, Ford went for the kid version, Hyundai went for the flashy version, VW went for the cheap version, honda went for the reputation version and toyota went for the non-car, stupid buyer, toyota kool aid drinking version. Having driven the non-Eco & owning an Eco, I can tell you there is a definite difference and I could see why one would pick a non-Eco model. Yes, I have gotten 50.7 mpg on a 200+ mile road trip and am averaging 41 mpg, including tons of city and heavy footed driving, but if my life was s little different and they offered a manual transmission on other models, I would have chosen a 2LT over the Eco. Many folks I have spoken with have commented that though they like the Mazda3, Focus and Elantra, they believe they look and drive like "kid cars". I couldn't agree more. The Cruze has a youthful part, but does not look like an 18 year old should own it, and has a design that will still look good after 5 years. Very well put. I have seen it several places where they say the Cruze if a small car for an adult. I really wonder how nice the Buick will be once it arrives. It look great in person but I have not been inside of it yet. I wonder how GM upped the game on this one and not made if for just old people. We do know it will have power and it should still handle pretty good with out needing a kidney belt. The Quiet tuning will be the big plus.

No it is a $100,000 ZR1 steering wheel that is in my HHR. The 911 may still out run the Vette but I would love to see this with another Vette and a better driver. From what I see this guy has shifting issues. I think the results would be closer. Even getting out run is ok if the presenters were not being biased and condesending toward the car right from the start. Bias or not it gives the impression they are and may not be doing their best to let the car perform. I know it may be a shock to few but the media at times is automotive biased. LA Time, Toyot.... em Toronto Star etc.

To sum up a HHR. The HHR is a improved GM car over the earlier ones. It has many of the early improvement Lutz brought to GM when he came in. But that is not to say it is up to new Cruze quality. The HHR is one of the transitional cars where it is better then they were but not to where they are going today. But to buy one used you can get such a good buy on them that the lack of higher grade interior materials and the like can be over looked. For the money a used HHR is a very good bargin and buy. The prices are lowest on the LS as they are easy to find since many the last two years went to Enterprise. The SS and LT tend to hold better value and are harder to get as the lowest prices. Standard shift LT's are really hard to find as are the panels as they seem to get bought up fast. The SS is a breed of its own. This was not just another emblem car. It really has upgrades in the Turbo engine, suspension and brakes that make it a totally different animal to drive. It by far is the best performance FWD I have ever driven. The Turbo upgrade is a must with the automatic as the auto is only 235 HP in first and second gear and 250 in 3rd and 4th. The Upgrade gives both the manual and auto the same 290 HP and 315 FT-LB of performance. If you can find a SS at a good price it might be at least worth a test drive to see what it has. I think many here would be shocked at what it can do. One test drive in the SS is what made me a HHR owner. I did not really car about the styling one way or the other but after letting one lose on the back roads I was hooked. I really suprised myself that I even bought as HHR. Due note it took me a little to get seating position that I liked. The HHR really needs a telescopic wheel like the Malibu for people with longer legs. Also the thick pillars make for some blind spots you need to get used too. After a day or two the HHR is easy to drive and you get used to the in the bunker feel. It also is easier for people who know how to drive with the mirrors well. With the blind spots in my Fiero I had to learn this long ago and it was not an issue to use the mirrors. But be warned the B pillars are as thick as a new Silverado with vent visors on.

Ok here is the scoope. I own a SS and have friends with a LT 2.4 and a LS 2.2 I also have time in all of these as rentals too. MPG. as follows. 2.2 mid 20's city and mid 30's highway. 2.4 mid 20's and low 30's highway. 2.0 Turbo. I see week after week 23.9 city and 31-32 highway. note I picked up 1-2 MPG with the turbo upgrade. Note the Premium is optional on the SS as it is on the 2.4. It cost about 20 HP to use regular. The turbo upgrade from GMPD will change it to premuim required in the SS. As the car goes it rides and drives very nice and will haul about anything you need. Problems are not wide spread but there are things to watch for. Early HHRS can leak at the windshield and flood the front floor. 08 and later do not have this issue. Swaybar links can wear early on some. Inside door handles can break if they are abused. Dash noise is an issue with some but is easy to fix if you have a little mechanical know how. AC can get a odor if you turn it on after not using it for a while. It goes away in about 30 second. If you use it all the time it never happens. Sun roof deflectors can break. These are the common issues that some have found but not all. I find the 08 and later ones have the least issues. Deals can be found as my buddy picked up a 08 with 7,000 miles and was a fully loaded LT with the 2.4 for $12K. LS can be had for under $10K with low miles. I can say I have enjoyed mine and to be honest mine for the most has been trouble free from factory defects. I had it in for a TSB's I found. The only issues I had were related to the accident and part the dealer replaced after it. None were factory issues. If I had to do it again I would no hesitate to buy this vehicle again. It has been a joy to drive year round. Note this is my first 4 cyl FWD daily driver and I never thought I would ever say this but I could not be happier.

They need a diesel in Europe if they are going to try again. If they offer it there they can make a option here just as the wagon. If it were not intended for Europe the wagon would have never been approved. Funny how once it was done then the Europe program got put on hold with the distibutor issues.

The same applies to the electric car too as it would take years to recover the cost in savings. This will improve the cost will drop on all these cars as they sell more and more of them while their range and MPG improve. For right now they have to just start some where they are and go from there.

Hell, even I like it, a FWD car! Hurry Camino get in out of the sun before there is permanent damage. LOL! I agree It does not have to be retro and it does not have to seat 9 people it just has to be somewhat interesting. The price also helps with the styling here as most others in class are just boxes with little cool factor. I was ok with the HHR but what sold me what the handling on the SS. GMPD did wonders with this car. If you ever get the chance to drive one take it. It erased many of the ideas I had on the issues on FWD handling. In fact it handles and rides better on real world roads than many of GM's RWD performance cars. It takes in uneven roads surfaces like you find on back roads like crazy. The car always feels in control. Mark Stielow if I recall did most of the tuning on this with John Heinricy. Mark knows his stuff. He used to work for my company and did a lot of cool things for us.

A suspension from a light goods vehicle? Also the Limey Ba$tard can't shift gears. Funny in the drag race the syncro noise is gone. Not sure on the Vette but my 08 HHR SS has launch control and it works smoother than the GT2 by the looks of it.

This is true. Just the part of slower and noiser is not always true anymore. Audi has prove this to no longer be true if one were to want a performance diesel. I have seen the team Audi's race and they have proven to be fuel efficent, fast and as quiet as any race car I have ever heard. When you can hear the sound of the air on the wings and the rumble stips under the tires you know it is quiet. It is hard to fight infrastructure, culture and percieved image.

I have seen the woodgrain and it did not do much for me. But it is all in what you like. The HHR has seved its purpose by bringing buyers and money in. The life cycle is ending as it should. I just wish they had a replacment for this segment next year. A lot of people with HHR are talking replacments for theirs but many are not GM products. Note many HHR buyers were not GM buyers to start with. The car brought in many new customers. I do not blame GM for the gap as they just did not have the money to do anything for next year. I just hope the Granite get here on time and on price to fill this need. Most HHR people have some interst in this one and pricing will be key.

The fact is the Olds V8 failure was lengendary. It has been passed on and is still talked about buy mamy car buyers when the term diesel comes up. But that is only one part of it. Diesels for the most part are looked at as dirty bus engines too. Everyone who lived near city grew up with the soot spewing buseds that while it looked worse than it was is branded a dirty vehicle. We all also grew up with the many Benz 300 Turbos and Volvos with the black tail ends from exhaust and owners who more than not seldom washed there cars. The fact is Diesel has had a tough time in this country outside of the pickup market. People here have preconcieved notions of Diesels and few companies here have done anything to change this. Todays diesel is not anything like the past and is really a good engine. Companies here for the most just see added cost to market and build the diesels here when they can take the easy way out and just sell small gas engines. It is easier to go with the flow vs forcing on the public what they have little interest in. Add to this some of the new goverment reg on the engines and fuel that have made it even more difficult and expensive to build and sell the engine. The fact is America has just never been a automotive diesel country or market. It has had many things that have hurt it here that few ever put an effort to disprove. I had hopes when the Duramax came it would help change things but the Truck market has little influence on the auto market. when you speak to the average car buyer few would consider or even care about diesel. Untill a company here steps up and promotes the engine like Ford has the Ecoboot I see this still not working. The question will be who will spend the money and take the risk of investment? To be honest the Olds Diesel was really not as bad as some think. The truth is if you ran them hard they really ran well. The harder they were run the less issues they had. The real problem was the buyers who were older or just putted around town and never ran them hard has issues with oil leaks, head gaskets and fuel injector pumps. Driving around at 35 MPH did these engines no good. Now the guys who hit the highway 60-70 MPH for long distance I saw many of these engines with well over 100,000 miles and no issues. To bad too few ever heard the good side of these engines. I know it is not fair but when you have to commit millions to a program that few are asking for many are not willing to take the risk without demand. Lutz wanted too but just could not get the support.

It may not be retro to some but don't say such on the HHR web site as they would flame you in a min. LOL! They are a tough group over there with their cute names they have for some of their cars. I will give you that the HHR has the widest Demographic of any GM car. It has old and young, fast and slow, male and female, rich and poor etc. The range of appeal was pretty wide for many. That is not something many models in todays market can say or do. My son and I play a game like the VW commercial on color. It is not often we each do not have sore arms for all the HHR's we see daily. As for retro it is just how you see it and most people and GM see it as retro.

The real issue for the Diesel is getting people to buy them in any great numbers. They are like standard shift as most American buyers just don't want them. Diesels in Europe are not just a new craze they have always had them in good numbers and they are part of what is expected in their market. Here it is a hard sell as they really have never been in great number here other than the odd Volvo, VW and Benz. One of the greatest challanges is to overcome the image of the Olds diesel. GM did more damage with this engine than good on opening the diesel maket. It would make it harder for them than anyone to being back a large number diesel car sales. The Powerstroke failures also did a lot of damage to some buyers but most just went to Dodge and GM. Truck buyers are a different breed vs auto diesel buyers. It could be changed here but it would take a real good marketing plan and an one of the best engines with near zero flaws for GM to make much gain. I would at least like to see them offer it as a option in the Cruze or Buick to get some on the road and show they do work. It will take time to regain the rep and trust on this engine in a GM car. But to do nothing will make it even tougher.

It was done much like the Camaro. The car has the basic outline of the original and is based on it. They added more modern lines to it for styling and aero to update the design some. You can deny all you like but it was based on the old original, GM points this out and made this clear often as does the Heritage in the name. Might note too the rear has a lot of Corvair wagon in it too. The tail lights were turned but carry the similar look. the bottom line is if there were no 48 Subruban there would have been no HHR. I feel Nesbitt did a better job on this than he did on the PT. They fixed many of the short comings like the small storage area and other issues the PT had. Note there are many things due to the styling that have been an issue. Stone chips on the front are not just on the front but also the sides and top of the hood also the fender tops. The rear fender flairs are horrid for stone chips if they did not have rockers. The SS rockers look good but unless you have longer legs you will either tear up the paint on them or get dirty from the snow or dirt on them. The grill protection is poor GM has retro fit screens to prevent stone chips as many have lost condensors. Don't get me wrong I like that they did do to this car and it has done well but there were some prices paid buy the owners for the special look. To this point it will be 3 years of ownership next month and I have no regrets on my purchase. The only things I wish they had done is addressed the interior more in quality. I wish it was at least to the level of the new Cruze. It is not bad but just could have been a little better. The only other real beed I have and it is minor is the name. Chevy could have done better here. I get people all the time ask what HHR means and I always get the same disapointed look like that's it? I think GM just got lazy or cheap on choosing a name here. The letters are find but at least make them stand for somthing cool.

Three things... (1) The problem with 2.0 liter engines that make 295 lb-ft at ~2500 rpm is that it doesn't make 295 rpm except when it is on boost -- on full boost. The typical condition at freeway cruise is off boost simply because of the low output require and low accelerative loads. If you rev a turbocharged engine in neutral in the parking lot, it NEVER gets on boost and is always in vaccuum for the same reason. In otherwords, the small turbocharged engine has to be geared such that it still has enough torque off boost to maintain cruising speed. Hence, a 3.6 liter V6 with 275 lb-ft may be geared to make 1800 rpm @ 60 mph, whereas a 2.0T with 275 lb-ft may not. (2) The answer as to whether an entire industry can be wrong is YES. It can. Especially when it comes to popular quasi-axioms like this. (3) I do not expect the Carbon Footprint reduction nonsense to persist over the long run. The non-science of "global warming" is quickly unraveling. The statistics and science behind it are completely bankrupt. The fact is that there is no abnormality with the climate we experience today or in the past 100-years. It is statistically in the middle of historical fluctuations. There is also no evidence that carbon dioxide concentration in the air, especially androgynous CO2, has had ANY tangible effect on global temperatures. We know this because global temperatures have been observed to fall in the 50s, 60s and 70s despite a higher than pre-industrial and constantly increasing CO2 levels. We also know that the medieval era was warmer than today and numerous periods in the earth's history is warmer than today. If you look at ice cores samples going back a million years, you'll notice that the planet did not get warmer following CO2 spikes. In fact, CO2 spikes occur 500~1000 years AFTER temperature has already risen. And, to put a nail into the coffin, the planet has been cooling not warming since 2007 and various IPCC "scientists" have been caught falsifying data to hide patterns they don't like. The only reason this whole charade is still continuing is that it is difficult for politicians and people who support the cause -- unknowing of the actual validity of its science or the lack thereof -- to back track and say they were wrong. To say that they have been pursuing economically ruinous, utterly useless and unnecessary policy. It's potentially a career ending thing to say! But, truth has a certain ring to it and you can't keep it from getting out forever. #1 You can say what you like but it works and it is very efficent and powerful. I can cruise down the road with either Negitive to zero boost and if it even does come up it is only 2-3 pounds in this condition. Say what you like it works and works very well. I will have to check but I know at 50 MPH I have been seeing 1800 RPM and I think 60 is still at or under 2000 RPM. Sorry but your preceptions and numbers on this engine and combo on this engine and combo are off and do not match what I see first hand. #2 I am sorry but I will still side with the entire industry before I side with modest guy like you with numbers that just does not match what I see. I mean this respectfully as I will not say your entirely wrong on all points. Common sense still prevails as companies are not spending large amounts of money they can not waste on new smaller engines if they have good reason to do. If there was a cheaper easier way they would have done it. #3 While I agree with you on Climate Change or what ever convenent name they are using today I still feel they will press for more and more. This is not just about Climate Change as it is power and money. Those who are pushing this are trying to change how the world and buisness operates and they will not give up that easy. I fear this will still effect the way cars will be built and what we are give to buy.

However, a smaller displacement engine also makes less torque and will require higher rpms to make the requisite amount required to maintain the said cruising speed. This is not an absolute. I drive a 2.0 daily that makes more torque than many V6 and as much as many V8's. Max torque comes on at just over 2000 RPM and does not require high RPM to make it. Driving around town it is common to see RPM 1800-2400 RPM and on the high way the 3:08 keeps the RPM done and the engine just puttering along at a fairly low RPM. Might also not the MPG ratings on my engine have never come close or dipped below the factory ratings. I am not sure if GM under rated it with the new system or what. I am seeing the same numbers the other SS owner see so mine is not the odd one out. I never once dipped below the 20 MPG and never come close to the 19 city. The addition of the Turbo upgrade has improved MPG and verified by GM performance engineers. It was an unintended side effect. They attribute it to the increase in lower torque and the fact with up getting up to speed faster we are having more off gas time where the direct injection shuts off all the fuel when the car is coasting in drive. So I do find your statment here may be true in some cased it is not an absolute as I have proof in my garage now and I prove this statment wrong daily. I find my 3.6 to be fuel efficent if driven as such. Highway is good but in town you have to not put the RPM to it. I do find what you say true here as it does take the RPM to move the Malibu. But under normal driving it does better than my 3800 SC. MPG is much better highway than the 3800 SC and just a little better city by 1-2 MPG. I find you place a compelling argument and a lot of interesting claims I some how think you may be misisng something. Why would the entire industry be investing hundreds of millions into newer smaller engines when some guy on the web has it all figured out. I am not going to say what all you post is wrong as on paper it is correct but I feel something must still be missing. Have you factored in the fact many companies world wide are also looking to their drop carbon output. In Europe by 2013 they have to drop 25% and even more in the future. It has driven companies like Aston Martin to rebodie Toyota's and leave the drivetrain in tact as it came from Toyota. This is a hail mary to try to decrease the carbon footprint of the much larger engines. They lack the funds to do a from scatch city car or smaller engine program and this was their only viable option. With 400 sold so far still wonder if people will fall for it long term. It may be a play toy for the rich now but when the novelty wears off like the Smart they will have to go to a plan B.

That is sad. I sold mine in 1983 for that same price. It was a Rust Free Nashville SP. Mine was the 402 but it had all the other goods like the cowl hood and stirrup shifter. I think they made 500-600 of mine or there abouts. I knew they were rare as I only ever saw one other like mine in this area. I wish I had it today. Last I saw in was in NC.

I agree on the Ute. I am just tired of the playing around. Just bring it here already. Thanks for recalling the HX name for me. It slipped from me. GM could do well against a more modern Jeep. They would not be pinned down by traditional things that hurt the Jeep and can in all intents make a better Jeep than Jeep could. As for GMC doing more larger trucks. I am ok with that to a point. Once you get passed the F350 the profits are slimmer and the imports own this market anymore. They can bring in the cheaper imported trucks and make money. To do the same GMC would also have to import these trucks. Even the larger Ford Medium duty trucks were sold and are now Sterling. As for GMC Up to a F350 is fine but to go after the F450 or more would not be very good. If I recall correctly even GM got out of the Top Kick line due to lack of profits. They even killed it off in the recent Transformers movie like the Solstice.

The future of the V8 in the words of Bob Lutz is "mortibund" Note his words not mine. With where he is and has been in the industry I find this comment telling. Engines numbers are shrinking across the board. The 4 cylinder is over 3/4 of the maket now and The V6 is on the decline in some models like the Malibu. The V6 may replace more and more V8 engines in the pick ups now that Ford has proven a DOHC Turbo V6 is very popular extra cost option over the V8 in a 1/2 ton. The V8 while it may not vanish will become more uncommon and even more expensive to buy. I see it shrinking in size and a turbo being used at some point. I also suspect this latest Pushrod may be the last we see in this line. It will remain around for sometime yet but I just don't see much more investment going into this engine as vs the others. The engines in the next Chevy pickup may be a way to see where this will go. If GM offers a Turbo V6 I think we will see where this will be leading to. The fact is no one out there is going to bring back the pushrod. GM is the only one really showing much interest and Chrysler has really not laid out the future yet for the Hemi. Today nearly every company markets the DOHC feature. They put it on valve covers and on fenders. They put it in advertising and spec information. Pushrods seldom get mentioned. Even in the latest Z06 ad they give HP ratings and the fact it has Sodium valves but no mention of how many or any advantages. It is almost like they are hiding the fact it only has 16 valves. When was the last time you saw pushrod spelled out on a valve cover or fender? The fact is people come to expect DOHC valves and with the smaller engines they do help. It is just become the expect norm with most buyers. They have been marketed to death about it and thar is considered the norm. It is more than just about numbers anymore as it is all about marketing. How many have seen people today that will not buy RWD because they think they will be stranded without FWD. We all know better here but not the unwashed public. I think GM could have and should have better marketed the pushrod on what they have and what it can do. For many they know nothing of any benefits and precieve it as a inferior outdated engine. While it is not fully true that is what most other MFG have taught them. The bottom line is we can all argue the cam placement and engines but change is coming and most of us will be left with engines we never would have owned in the past or even considered. I am already to that point today. To my suprise the Turbo 4 has finally gotten to a point where I am very pleased with the engine. It does all I ask and more. Most who have not already discovered these smaller engines will have to as their choices will be limited in the future by price or availability. So boys enjoy the V8's while we have them as it may not be long before most of them gone no matter where the cams are.

HHR is retro and there is now debat there as even GM see's the HHR as such. Updating can be tricky. While I do not see it hard as the Camaro it is always a difficult task doing it to the point majority are happy. Also the retro think has kind of worn thin and people are looking for more original clean new designs. Retro is fun to a point and often becomes a crutch for lack of originality and just good design work. I like Classiz rock too but I too welcome something new and fresh once in a while. The sales numbers for the HHR are very good. We have to remember this took the place of a Cobalt wagon that would have never come close to these numbers. As being a HHR owner and being involved with other HHR owners the Granite has at least a 50% approval of most owners at this point. I see more coming over once it is in production. This is pretty good for the major change in direction of the styling. The key will be price. If the Ganite is much more expensive it will hurt sales. The key thing about the HHR was it was different, useful, good on gas and cheap to buy. These are things needed to be considered for the Granite. The Chevy Orlando never was big with the HHR people. If they wanted something that looked like all the other SUV wagons there are many others to choose from. Note too that many want a Granite with more performance like the HHR SS. They like to haul in more ways than one.

GMC for the most was just a truck for any non Chevy dealer to offer for the last few years. Many of the past GMC dealers were real truck dealers offering pick up and it changed to a Pontiac or Buick dealer that had a SUV to offer. Good for profits but not great for image. This left many questioning why GMC was even here. Profits are all that saved it. Yes they did throw a token cool truck out once in a while when the engineers and car guys at GM won an argument. But never reall enough to impact the line up. I think now to take these truck and make them special woud go a long way. Ford offers so many different trucks and variations. They also make speacial trucks for many companies. GM has never really done much of this the last so many years. I am ok with the Denali deal if they would offer more than just that to set appart from Chevy. GM has the ability to do with GMC What Ford, Ram and any import can not do. GM has a one two punch here one with Chevy that is a given to make a big profit. The two punch is a GMC that can step out and set the market on it's end offering truck few others would take a risk on. GM has a place they can try things out and advance the market in ways other would never risk. This is where they can think outside the box or try things that are different and new. They then can move it to Chevy if they work out. As for the Ute I agree it would be best as a Chevy but at this point you had better take what ever you can get. I owned a GMC Sprint SP once and it was not the end of the world. Right now I would take a Ute in this market with any GM name if that is what it takes. LOL!

I know but the sad part is there are some within GM thinking the same thing. The web people being wrong have no effect on stock prices but those within GM with the odd thinking could cost them in many ways.

I want GMC to matter. To do so they need to do what Pontiac really did not do with many models till the Solstice and G8 came along. They need to have models that are not just fancy Chevys. Pontiac got lost with taking a Chevy and adding red dash lights and ribbing. Yes it was a better looking car but it still was just a fancy Chevy. The Denali for the most is much the same. A Chevy with more chome and more options but under the body lies just another Chevy. While I am ok with the Denali line it should not be all GMC is. They can be so many other thing and mean something when you buy a GMC. In the past I loved GMC for the most because I like the Grills better. For the most that was all that was different. We had a Serra Grande stolen back in the late 70's. They found it 5 years later. It had a New Chevy Grill in it and the emblems had been changed. It looked like any other Silverado around. When we got it back we knew it was a GMC but no one else did. That is what GM needs to correct today. They don't have to get all crazy but lets offer some features Chevy can't have.