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I like this car but if I have no choice to not get E assist I would have to pass. It may be a nice system but I would rather have a car without it. I am affraid this is what we will see more of in the future to get MPG even higher. No choice and more expense.

I hope they adjust the Cadillac goals to realistic levels. I hope the Cadillac can add performance not available on the Volt at a higher price point. This is a car they need to sell but they are not going to be able to force it on anyone. Also I hope they can get some advancements on the batter sooner than later. With the increased spending everyone is doing there will be a break in the technology but the question is how soon. This is a car that only a longer life cheaper battery is holding back. That is not to say that even at the price it is at that 2500 in sales is a bad thing for August. This car is just one of those deals where it will take time for general public acceptance and cheaper prices.

Buick is trying to do what Mercury tried but failed at. And that's ok. Just because Mercury failed, doesn't mean Buick will. For one, the Buick versions of each car are different enough that a person couldn't just go over to a Chevy dealer and get the identical car. There won't be a Chevy version of the Encore in the states, the Verano is different enough with better levels of equipment and engines than the Cruze, Regal v. Malibu is no comparison for someone looking for a premium sedan and the same goes for Enclave v. Traverse. The only one that concerns me is Lacrosse v. Impala, but I expect we will be seeing a newly refreshed Lacrosse very soon. Ford failed with Mercury because they just tried to change badges and add chrome to a Ford. They are failing with Lincoln in the same way. I would not worry about the Lacrosse as it already will has a better interior but it will improve in many was very soon. This is why GM has moved the Impala to where it is as the know what is coming. I also expect the Lacrosse to get a Turbo enigne that the Impala will not see. We can not judge GM too much yet as all the parts of the puzzle are not in place and we will see some gaps and overlap till they get a few more years down the road. While there will not be a Chevy or GMC version I wonder how the Delta II versions of the Nox and Terrain will impact the Encore. They will be priced similar and have more room.

I am not sure how I feel on this one. From what I saw of the one I did look at it has points I love and parts I am not sure about yet. I really need to see one out on the road to fully decide what I think. The area of the A pillar and front fender has a odd look to it in a Chevy Spark kind of way. But I hated the Terrain when I first saw it and it grew on me to the point I have on in the Garage. Never say never.

I find the Taurus to have a look more like an Explorer vs a Fusion. To me the Taurus with the high sides and tall roof make it more like a SUV. The Impala while the roof is low it will have a much better sleek sedan look. Someone told me there was one in our area on the roads. I have yet to see it but I expect it will look fine in person. He told me on the road it is a good size but looks smaller than in the photo's.

Anyone seen the latest Chis Doane photo's from Milford? They are of the new SS with a G8 body on the car. Now I am not saying that the ST on Woodward was a prototype but it is something to consider if we see any more G8 or Holdens show up testing. The VF has many changes but the old body can still fit on the new car. It is real easy to hide in plain sight.

It will be interesting to see how this one does as it is really a vehicle out of the norm for Buick and it will take new people coming to Buick to make it successful. It has a lot going for it but a lot for it to make it they will need to bring in a new class of buyers but that is what Buick has needed to do. This is the one that could bring the most younger buyers yet.

Keep in mind many press cars are hand assembled and they are often without vins. At least most of the ones I have seen or fooled with have has no vin or had it removed. One buddy of mine had a Vette with a vin plate but no number on it. Also a window sticker that said not to be sold. He was a plant manager and had connections so he did buy it. He figured he could sell it to a collector which he did do. On the other hand it could have a number too and that would make it easy if you could get in front of the line. The cars that go to auction are not always that high of priced. I have seen some go pretty cheap. Some of the FIero prototypes including a 88 GT convertible with a Vin sold for $17,000. The IMSA GTU racer complete went for under $30K. I have even seen some of the special Vettes go for less than a new one with vins. While they may not be the best specail edition to own they did make a good buy if you wanted a new vette.

But then it is about more than you! What one would sell better to the American public. To be honest both would be low volume but it is something to consider as I don't want to see this car after 3 years tank at 3500 units. Few cars outside the Miata can do that and survive. By this justification, GM shouldn't build the CTS-V...Mazda sells about 4 Miatas for every CTS-V GM sells... Come on you know better than this. Add to it the number of V6 CTS they also sell over the CTSV. Also the higher the price point allows the lower the volume can be.

Generally they get crushed or go to the heritage center. Once at the Heritage center they do sometimes sell them off but they generally can not be titled for the road unless it was a full approved production vehicle. This one could pass as one but since it was never offically released it could be banned from the road. This one would be a gray area that would need to be clairified. If they could sell it otherwise I am sure someone in GM would get it long before anyone here. I have a few friends that have old Heritage cars and no way to drive them on the streets.

Now that is one to forget.

I get a 60's vibe from it too and the Lumina and others were based on that same idea. I just think it is better on the new car. Belt lines are higher due to crash standards but Toyota may have found a way around it. GM has keep the roof lines down while for has lifted the roofs and it give the Taurus the look of a taller SUV more than a sedan. The Malbu to me is just too much like the Cruze that from a distance they look too similar. The trouble with the nose anymore is the required crush space for the hood over the engine. All the MFG are going taller to deal with it and it is difficult to hide. Just look at a Taurus Police car and see how tall it looks with a light bar.

now....NOW! I expect this to be what replaces many of coming GM and Chevy products. Cruze should see something like it and maybe even the trucks? I also expect the Super Sport may have something along these lines too. The updated Traverse already has something like it and the new Nox is coming. I have seen some critics claim it is too plain but I think it fits well and does carry that instant Chevy look. Too bad they did not have this for the long to develpe Malibu. I assume it was too far along to change easily.

Ya right and GM's is too large to fail too.

It is a no bainer when you don't have to answer for it when it all goes bad.

I agree that some options or extentions of this model would be a good idea. Limiting it to one model could be limiting to its future. The key it ot make one with more utility for the modern buyer. I think a GMC version like the Denali Show car based on many of the similar parts would help the model. V6 options would also help lower cost. But all these ideas have to be balanced vs the cost of putting them into production vs expected sales or capacity to build them. These are numbers only GM can answer and have to answer for. If this was as slam dumk as some want to thing it would already be here. Life and building cars sometimes is just not that simple. But then it is about more than you! What one would sell better to the American public. To be honest both would be low volume but it is something to consider as I don't want to see this car after 3 years tank at 3500 units. Few cars outside the Miata can do that and survive. Not an issue, Holden can barely build more than that many per year. That may just be part of the issue. The point here is to make money not just build one guy in America a car.

But then it is about more than you! What one would sell better to the American public. To be honest both would be low volume but it is something to consider as I don't want to see this car after 3 years tank at 3500 units. Few cars outside the Miata can do that and survive.

It can and will be low volume but that does not mean they can just put it out there with out doing it right. They can mess this up because of the low volume in market here if they are not careful and make the short but sweet run. I want this to be a car that stays around. Just because they sell it else where does help it but will not excuse it for poor profit numbers here. Like I said it does have it's critics and they will be looking for any excuse. 20 years of demand minus too high of price minus many more choices on the market that have taken the type person who used to buy this away minus the people who want to carry more than 2 people and have inside storage. Just look at the crap people are buying just for utility anymore. Cool is not as much a factor anymore. This car would see 2-3 good years at best to start at 10,000 units but after that it will slow down and will need to rely on other product on the line. This is where Canada makes sense. after the second and third year this will be a 3K-5K unit car at best at the price point it will be at. To make this a lifestyle vehicle would mean 4 doors and more utility. I could see a version of that to share volume but it will not work for the diehards. Besides the last life style vehicle GM did was the Aztek and we know how that one went. What would be interesting would be to use a cool Chevy nose on it. I have already seen the Camaro nose on these and it looked good. Chevy once used the Monte Carlo nose to good effect so I see no issue here. The original also used the nose of the Impala and Chevelle. Give it a true GM Sport face. With this Camaro going away they could modify this nose with a new grill and use the ZL1 hood to make a special car since the Camaro will be moving to the Alpha anyway. I suspect many will not be happy with the nose on the new Super Sport anyways as it will still have a lot of Holden in it.

It is more about the regular auto buyer not just you or me that like this vehicle. We are not the average buyer anymore. Untility and ability to haul people is what most buyers look for and why even coupes outside a Camaro are a hard sell. Even Standard cab pickups are not what they used to be. I think you will find that all things being equal the Ute has been sold in much greater numbers for as so many fewer buyers in OZ than here. Even back in the day the Camaino was not a car embraced by all. As for protecting the Colorado it may be the other way around as I think the market will embrace the Colorado on a scale that it could hurt the sales of the Camino right out of the gate. I think releasing it after the first wave of the Colorado will not let it get lost in the whole deal. Lets face it they need to give the Camino ever break they can as with the low volume it is the program could become a 2 year and out deal easily. You need to keep in mind there are a few in GM yet that don't want it and they will look for any excuse to pull it. This is one car they have to get right as if they F up the into and sales are not there we may never see it again. There is no down side to importing it but given poor or lower than projected sales it could be a very short run. While a year or two may get you one now it may not get you one to replace it in the future. Big picture bud I want this car to win the game not just make a few people happy for a year or two. I want it to be possible this could be my next 2 or three new cars in the future. We don't need another flash in the pan SSR.

I think I heard about this already. No they are not changing the name since the car is selling well and has no negitive vibe with import owners.

The Ute is significantly shorter in every dimension except width.Plus, Holden has no problem selling the Ute and Colorado side by side in Australia, so I don't think that'd be a problem in truck-happy USA. Not that much. Also the Oz market has had these vehicles longer than we have going way back before 59. They have already established market there and a love for the car we just lost here by the general buyer. Even when I owned my GMC I would hear the comments on how impractical it was. It did not bother me but most people were troubled even then with the ability to carry only 2 people and nothing else inside. I even removed the spare for more room.

My father inlaws Silverado I drive often as it is the family truck was $21000 with the LT2 package 2WD, limited slip, extended cab, Aluminum wheels, CD and Satilite radio. V8 and towing package. The truck is far from stripped and was an easy buy for him with the Oct Chevy sale they have on trucks every year. The hauling is better due to the larger and deeper bed also much more room and we can carry 6 people in it. The Ute may have more power but the 5.3 is more than enought to do anyhting needed. MPG will be a little less but in trucks most people don't care. There is nothing on the market like it as the niche is small and not many companies could afford to do one. GM and Ford are the only ones that could pull this off. I love this car as much as anyone. If priced right it could very well be my next car. I accept the limitations and all because I like the car like ride and uility. I also am used to living with a 2 seater car. But I also an not so bent on this car that I can look around and understand where the market is at and what most buyers are willing to accept. There is a small segment they can sell this too but I am affraid they could fill that segment in 2-3 years and end up seeing the car go away. To do this right GM needs to support it with other models with shared parts. Moving the VF to Canada would strengthen the model and help keep it alive. A Plant making several VF models in Canada is just what they doctor ordered and could support several lower volume models. It is ok to feel the emotion just don't let it over rule your judgment. It is a shame you and I are in a very small group of people that would be happy in a vehicle like this but I have learned to accept it and hope things still can be worked out but I am not putting all my hopes on it. I understand times are tough, GM is trying to save their ass with products the majority want and I know there is a group there that is not giving up on this car easy like Mark. Utility is a prime thing for most buyers today. The fact that it has a bed does give it some utility but the car also has many issues in other areas of expected utility from todays American buyers. While this was a popular car in the States in the past it still was never to the level it was in OZ. The bottom line is GM has a lot of things on their plate and most are more important than a low volume car. As GM gets stronger they can afford to move away to more special models but GM is still to a point that if they don't get their main line models right they could still fail.

Consider how big the "small" truck has gotten these days. There's definitely room for something smaller than a Colorado, Tacoma, or Frontier. The Ute/El Camino is perfect to fill that role. I could stand behind creating Ute variants, even sending a couple to GMC and possibly even Cadillac. I agree the Colorado should be the size of the last gen S10. The Ranger as outdated as it was filled the market well till it was finally dropped. But to think the Ute would fill this roll on a VF platform is off in size. The VF Ute would be around the same size bed as the Colorado just with lower sides. Now if they would move it to the Alpha that would help make it smaller. I wish they would do the version they showed as the Denali 4 door show ute. I think that would play well with the present day market. this also would add more volume to the market to help keep the two door alive. The greatest issue to the average buyer is the lack of utility in the 2 door with little inside storage and seating. The crew cab version already is being built and should also be offered.

You are so emotional about this anymore it clouds your thinking. Sorry but it is showing because you make claims with this vehicle that you would not make otherwise.

I gave a limited nod to the hatch but forget the wagon. keep in mind the Nox is moving to the Delta II so that may take most of the expected wagon sales and would impact the hatch to a limited point.