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Should it matter to you anyways as we already know your complaints. LOL! I expect G8 GXP 2.0. If they move this car to the magnetic suspension it will turn some heads with the handling. That suspension can make this fat lady dance in ways never thought possible.

Here is what I have from someone who manger went to the GM dealers show. Take it for what it is but I think it is pretty much on the mark as it is what I expected to here. I figured It would be limited as already stated by Al Oppenhiser. As it will have a LS3. I had hoped for the Gen V but I expect that it will be seen in a later model or a Alpha based replacment at some point. GM will need all the new Gen V they can get at start up for the trucks anyways. Also I am not sure if the Gen V is ready for the global market yet. Any ways here is a little of what was stated. Okay, so my manager and the owner of the dealership just got back from the Vegas show. They didn't get any pictures or anything but they said they saw models for ALL of the upcoming vehicles for 2014. They focused most of their time on telling me about the high volume vehicles(Silverado, Cruze, Traverse) But then they mentioned the C7 Corvette and I knew it was coming. Finally he brought up the Chevy SS. He said it is gorgeous. He used words like "sleek" and "sharp" and then my manager chirped in a nice little gem. He said, very specifically, 6.2L LS3 engine. He seemed very confident in his statement and went on to say that the volume of these vehicles available will mimic that of a C7 Corvette(very unfortunate) and that they anticipate much more demand for the vehicle than there will be supply(basically this car will be a bitch to get your hands on). He finished off by saying that although this is a limited volume vehicle, we should definitely make a commitment to learning about the vehicle because even if it doesn't sell a lot, it will certainly bring customers in to the showrooms(As I assume that is it's intent)

Nothing yet has passed up my 04 GTP in brakes. The Bosch system on it was something GM should use on all cars. Anyone with one never got less than 60,000 hard miles out of the pads.

The new Colorado will have space for two. Not a lot of room but room enough. I liked my rear door on my Sonoma. I really don't need the rear doors much but when I do they are there and are hidden. Not much of a fan of crew cabs but if you need one there is nothing wrong with is. These could even be test for the SPO wheels so I would not read too much into it yet. When we see a pick up at the Ring we may get a SS.

I did add a power booster to my 68 SS brakes. The drums were not great and the power assist made them at least feel better. They still would make you wonder am I going to stop or not. My 70 Monte Carlo had a bad habit of swaping ends in a emergecy braking. I had it happen twice. Once in the dry and once in the wet. I changed pads and shoes and it still like the lock the rears up if you hit it hard. It did get me out of a crash once as the car went sideways and I punched it to keep from hitting the car infront of me. I was able to drive it out and around when the back kicked out. My 72 GMC sprint was very good. It was even and progressive. The FIero is bad cold, great warm and fade when hot. The metalic pads they use need heat but the solid rotors kill it when they get hot. The 97 Sonoma was good and I would autocross it. I would drive it deep into corners and use the anti locks and then drive it out easier. I could out run guys in 4 gen Z 28's with that truck on a tight track. The new HHR SS is amazing. It will stop very well and progressive. When I had the guy on the Cell phone turn infront of me I slowed very fast and might have made the turn into the side road if it were not for the gravel. Even Stability control has it's limits. I just put on a set of EBC Red Pads today on it as the GM pad sucked. They were very soft and they would leave the wheels black in two days of normal driving. I have had very good service from Hawk and EBC. They are not cheap but since I get them at cost the price is much better than they could be. I just put a set of Bendix rotors on too. I stopped playing the drilled and slotted game. They are not better performaning and just cost you a lot more money. I painted the calipers and rotor hats black and have the red pads in them. I had to laugh as I did not intend to match my interior but it looks good. I am glad that I get a lot of training from the many brake companies we deal with. It has taught me more than I even got in school. I find today so many things that used to apply that no longer or things that are just flat false being posted around the web. So many people do not ever fix their brake issues because they treat the symptom and never fix the real issue. Today it is more than just putting a set of pads on as there are things to look at and fix if needed. Also the art of bedding or seating the pads in is lost. I see few even good mechanics that do this anymore. Like everything else on a car brakes have changed and have different needs. FYI the disc on the HHR SS are similar to many in GM's line and it a pretty well designed systme. Pins are protected, the slides to not corrode and the E brakes do not freeze up and with proper use of the e brake stay in very good adjustment. Very easy to change and service.

I agree on the duel cylinders as I lost the one on my 63 Galaxie. In those cars the parking brake really is an Emergency brake.

Sorry, but that's incorrect. My '70 Tempest has drums... and I got front drum parts off of a '71 or '72 LeMans years ago. I also know that my parents ordered the OPTIONAL disc brakes for the '74 Nova... because they still were putting drums on the front of the X-bods. The F-bodies did have discs standard for all the 2nd gen cars. Post 21 alrady states this.

I hope they do an SS but I really don't think this is it. I would think they would drop the truck a little as it has too much tire to fender clearance. They did it right on the SS Trailblazer so I would expect they would do the same here. Like the guy said this could just be the big option wheel package as they have been using the Eagle on them. I would drop it about 2 inches and give it a planted look as it should handle as well as it runs.

Not yet. I need to get with them to get some good ones. If I don't I will post some of the quickie shots I have on my phone. It is not that special to see as it is just a base coupe Camaro with few miles.

Disc brakes also increase unsprung mass and are more susceptible to corrosion-related failures. Both are non factors as failures are rare and weight differences are small since they are using much lighter parts today. I am unaware of any street car that suffers any handling ills because of a disc brake. Besides drums are no more trouble free. If anything I see more leakin wheel cylinders and frozen adjusers than any other brake issue. Almost all HHR's with rear drums has adjuster issues. GM has since solves their rear disc adjustment issues of the 80's and early 90's.

The main issue is CAFE is not good but there is not many other ways to deal with it that are any better. The only real option ever really given has been has been to raise the gas tax and few people want that. What use is it to have the car of your dreams and not be able to afford to drive it. They could stop all the wasteful spending pay down the debt and invest in NASA to help find answers in fuels and composites. That is who has helped us get to where we are at based on their work with the moon program. Lord knows they are not doing much now other than the Mars program. They have worked with GM before on the moon buggy. There was a show the other night where it showed how two GM engineers worked out NASA's problems with the rover. Then GM, NASA and Boeing all worked together to make it happen.

Yes they have the meit of better MPG but they fail more often and created issues with the brakes too. One step forward 2 steps back in the name of MPG. And some still fail to see how deperate MFG's are for MPG.

The new front sealed hub bearings on many but not all of the cars and trucks are now a ball bearing design as they have less surface touching the race and they roll much easier for better MPG. They also wear out and get damaged more than the old reliable taper rollers. This is why we have such a large market for replacment hub bearings and brake issues today. But since you already know everything I expect you already knew that. But then you may not spend much time working on newer cars to be fair. Extrapolate.... The odds are in my favor.

Smoothing the edges on the CTS will helps sales. As it is the car has been love/hate for most and just softening the car a little will retain most of the present lovers and only add more. Think of it like The Band Metallica. While the purist love the Kill Em All era and hate the Black Album the hard fact remains the Black Album opened the door for Metallica to so many more sales and more fans. Targeting the far ends may win you praise but targeting the majority appeal wins you profits.

Disadvantage? I guess that is why we have so many drum brakes still on the road today. LOL! FYI brake warp by and large is a myth according to long time race car builder Carol Smith in his book and most brake MFGs. The truth is most pulsing brakes are due to pad material built up in on the rotor that is uneven due to the fact too few people seat or bed their pads in anymore. Also the new cars use ball bearing vs the better roller tapers for less rolling resistance for better MPG. The side effect is that if they have more than .002 of play they will wobble and wear the rotor thickness uneven hitting the pads. This is termed rotor thickness variation or RTV by most MFG and brake companies. GM and most brake MFG's address this in their tech information. No matter how you spin it you will not be seeing drums on the ZR1 soon.

That is code for more $$$$ and a much better car.

Lets keep this to what GM will do as their bacon is in the fire not ours. I think too what ever they choose they have a better handle on it or reason than any internet engineers. The reasons for the 3 and 4 valve could be many and without more info you can not discount it. There is a lot more to changing the valves than you list. Often they do run into issues with placment of injectors and plugs in a chamber to get the best results. Splitting an large intake valve make it more flexible to this. Also the larger the valve the greater the issues. Larger valves can mushroom and create a lot of bouncing mass too. The mass is about as much of an issue as drag. So I really don't see either in play. If they chose to go the multi valve route I would think it has more to do with placment and chamber or piston head design than anything and that is something we would need more info on to understand. With this engine you can not fully apply LS logic as the playing ground could be very different in some areas. All I can say is if they do go the multi valve route they had a good reason as they would not do it for just the cool factor. The one thing when we look at this from the GM point of veiw and not the Internet Engineer view is that this engine could be around a long time and they may be planning for needs far down the road. I expect with the decrease in V8 demand that this engine will be with us for a long time and will have to evolve for may uses, many standard and regulations and many needs. Lets face it GM is not going to invest multi billion in a new V8 10 years from with 53 MPG CAFE looming down the road for 4 -5 models some limited. This engine will need to be flexible.

The Buick and Pontiac drums were good for drums. They both transfered heat well. But Disc is still much better at transfering heat after repeated stops. We used to get a lot of those old Buicks in the area around the gas station I worked at was. It was a low income area and most of the cars were old and at the age most there could afford them after the gas issues of the 70's. I also drove a lot of the 8 lug Pontiac wheels on different cars. We had them on several of my buddies dads Pontiacs. GM did go optional on the disc on the A bodies in 67, I had wished my SS had them as too often you often wondered if you were going to stop. My dads 67 was drum but his 68-73 had discs. Am I thinking right the Nova also got them standard in 1973. I used to see a lot of front drum Nova's but most Chevelles were ordered with the disc, I just drove the Buick drums not long ago with a friends 63 Riv. I was lucky years ago to take a 65 Riv GS out for a spin back in the 80's. It was a under 10,000 mile car. The owner passed away and his son crashed it and it still sits in a yard and he refused to sell it or the engine.

Yes It was only an option on the TA and Z. As for the front they did not have drum front since 1969. GM converted them in 1970. It was an option in 69 Exactly why I questioned what you said in the original post. I knew front disc was made standard on Chevelles back then , so I was sure it had to be the same with Camaro. And, I had never seen any 2nd gen with front drums - even base cars. You never saw them because they never were. I remember GM moving to the disc in 1970 as a kid. My retired GM engineer great uncle was excited about it. I wish I was older and he was still around to ask him more about his time at GM. He knew a lot of really cool GM people and I remember him speaking of them but I was too young to understand who they were. He was old Sloan GM and worked there from 1926-1962 ll at GMC. He really had an amazing life serving in balllons in WWI, traveled the world and worked help to design the first trucks with penumatic tires and tandam axles for Goodyear.

You have to use all the definitions not just what you choose. noun coarse food for cattle, horses, sheep, etc., as cornstalks, hay, and straw something, esp. information, that is thought of as being in large supply and, often, inferior, raw or coarse, etc.: promotional fodder in mass media the basis or basic material for something: fodder for gossip The Vette I am expecting power close to 500 HP. Some where 470-490 HP based on GM stating the next entry level Vette will have near Z06 power. The engine will be interesting to see if they stay Supercharged for the CTS or if they will go with a Turbo. There seems to be a lot of talk about Turbocharging this engine but we have yet to see anything to back up, I expect Eaton superchargers. I expect the power to be similar in the present CTSv as they will look to gain MPG and more performance with less weight. Being more efficent at the same power will net more MPG. I see similar things with the trucks. I do not expect the V8 in the ATSv just based on marketing needs alone. Cadillac is working to make each car different and not just in size only. Who needs a mini CTSv when you can have a car that can reach new buyers. Enlarge you market and not limit yourself to one type of buyer. The real question is would they go three valve or even 4 valve pushrods for the LTS later on. I do expect V series power with some kind of charging. I really think for Cadillac to show case the car they have to move to do something different and not available in any other GM car like the ZR1 engine. The greatest gains in this engine will be torque. The curve will be much flatter and over a wider range. It will hit hard low and hold it most of the way up. This will pay off with better MPG. GM discouved with the DI VVT engines like my HHR SS that if you add more torque low down it will give you more off gas pedal time. The DI engines pretty much shut the fuel off when you coast and increase MPG. The increase in Torque in my GM Turbo upgrade netted an increase 1-2 MPG even when adding 45 HP. The engineer told me it was not an expected gain and they were pleased with the results. I suspect that they will use what they learned there in future engines.

I am making it my duty to make sure he enjoys it while he can. He was a die hard car guy and it is hard for him to give up. They have helped my mother over the years and it is my turn to help return the favor. I think we have a deal to sell the car when it is time. We have a buyer willing to wait till they are ready to sell it. I just hope his wife waits till it will not matter to him. I think I have her agreeing to that right now.

Yes It was only an option on the TA and Z. As for the front they did not have drum front since 1969. GM converted them in 1970. It was an option in 69

There is good and bad with many cars vs old vs new. My point is too often many of the car we see tday at shows etc are better than they ever were in the first place. It is like when we looked over the 1970 Z/28 [one of my favorites] the flaws were major in most areas things today that many would refuse delivery on at the dealer today. These are the kind of flaws you just don't see on most restored cars. Also note I judged this show for around 10 years. I can tell you where most of the issues are on any F body as I have seen em all. The one thing is most first, second and thired gens all have bad side windows. They are all scratched and few people replace the glass. This is where we could really seperate the good cars from the perfect cars. Also many interior pars like seat backs that are not in poor condition. Few replace them since you don't see it from the outside. I grew up with Chevelles as my dad nearly ever years for many years and I know where the issues were with them too. It was my job to look the cars over each year and find the mistakes. and issues. Yes there was never a perfect one. So the long and short of it i my point is when we look at old cars today most [not all] are much better than they originally were new. I also felt backed up on this. I was thinking about this on Sunday and Monday I also got my Muscle Machines Magazine from Hemmings. The owner of a 71 TA pointed out the same thing as he has the original TA he bought in 71. Anyways this is not a condemation just an observations of original vs restored since we see too few unresotred cars today it is a point being lost on those who never lived back then or have ever owned or been around unrestored cars. Camaino it is drums as the Camaro coupe was not offered with the rear disc option. To get the 4 speed you even had to buy the 305 and that is why he passed on the Z/28 that year. It is lacking AC and has the AC delete on this one the center vents are blocked off. I have not seen that in any late second gen ever. In todays world of better paints and other parts most cars are restored to levels never seen originally. I also see this in many Corvettes as most never had bodies or paint as flawless as they have at shows today. In fact some events they take off it the expected flaws are not reproduced. I think this really shows the importants of the few survivior cars we have and how many colloectors should pay more attention to them.

I have a neighbor who over the years has had a lot of fun cars like a 96 Impala SS, 66 Chevelle, SS Nova etc. Back in 1981 he ordered a new Camaro coupe with only options being V8, Posi, spoiler and AM FM radio. The car is a factory 4 speed. The Gunmetal Grey car has been pretty much sitting in the garage for 25 years. He suffered some medical issues like 3 strokes and several heart attacks including one where he was gone for a little while. H was able to recover to now have the onset of Alzhimers. I grew up in this neigborhood and just came back last year. In that time he has asked me to take the car out and run it as he is no longer able to drive. So at different times we have gone out for short runs in the local country side. We have not gone too far as this car has from what I can tell about 10,000 miles. He installed a 373 gear just after he bought the car so I suspect we have a couple thousand miles less than what is showing. [it shows 14,000]. I got the time to clean it up for him and dust off the cob webs. We then took it to a local Camaro show. During the drive it would show 75 MPH at what I would guess would be 40 MPH. This had been our longest trip and I took side roads as not to get too much heat in the 31 plus year old tires. I have noted some things about the car and here is my observations of a new 1981 Camaro in 2012. The car is as it was delievered to the dealer. While nostalgia was great the reality of how bad cars were in 1981 came through. The cars inteiror was mared by carpet that did not cover the entire floor there were open spots at the entry to the back seat that were there since delivered to the dealer. Yes he never had it fixed. The noise and clunks of a Camaro were standard from the factory. The car while tight and solid still has some of the toys in the trunck clunks. The interior made of that material that was left over from Ace Frehley's costume. It was that silver that would soon tarnish and crack and today is a rare sight. In fact at the car show many people thought I had put that interior in as they had never seen one. I can say it may be one of the only ones left in showroom condition as they were rare even in the 80's. The paint was orange peeled and had a good amound of dirt in the paint. I would look at the restored cars and be amazed how good they looked and how bad the original factory paint looked. I felt some may have thought I had Earl Scheib paint the car it was that bad. Body fit was amazingly poor. The leading edge of the one door has a ding in on the edge that looks like the door was dropped on the edge against a sharp edge. The doors so not have the normal sag of most 2nd Gens and they do not shut with a clang of a loose window etc. Infact this is one of the few 2nd gens at the show that had perfect non scratched windows. Driving was good the car drives as new and the posi is still tight. Steering feel has the feel of a boat a slow speed. No feel no feed back and little that connects the driver to the car. The brakes were good. Even with drums the pedal was solid and firm. The transmisison is improved with a Hurts Shifter I installed about 20 years ago. The tranny pulls and shift strong and the clutch is smooth as glass. The car down the road is amazing to watch the hood dance and shake. The ride is firm but not jarring. What I take away from this is like the 64 GTO I drove a couple weeks ago. The cars still retain some of the old things I enjoy of the old cars. The noise and the shifting of a heavy 4 speed and going through the gears is great. But there are so many things that todays cars have improved on more so than just quality. Cars like my HHR SS is tuned to the road and make me feel as part of the car vs like a rider on a horse. Sometimes I think all of us look back with better memories than it really was. Don't get me wrong I love these cars and enjoy any that I get to take out as many of my fiends have some nice restored rides that I get cut loose in from time to time. I also think we forget how good cars have become today. They put together so much better and are much easier to drive stupid fast. Cars today like the Vette and Camaro to me embody the best of both worlds and give us cars that are so much better but still have a little of that fun factor still in them. It is only a shame cars like the ZL1 convertible at the show was over $60,000. Note too I was not the lowest mile Camaro there. A local Dealer I know just found a few miles from my home a 1970 Z/28 split bumper. The car has only 7,000 miles. paint is 99% perfect in the while and black stripes. The interior is perfect. The trunk was just as the dealer left it. The engine could use a little refresh on the paint but other wise the car is amazing. I went over the car with the owner and he even showed me the many flaws on this too from the factory that you just never see on most restored cars. I think the fact we see so many over restored cars today that we often forget what they really were like. I wish more would restore them to like new condition just so many could really see how it really was. Anyways it was a fun trip back in time but I was glad to get back to 2012. I hope to get some photos but it was too dark by the time I came home. We plan on getting it out soon to get some shots of it with the proud owner. Note while he has not driven the car much he always has the keys in his pocket wanting to drive it. The keys are worn smooth from rubbing against each other. The moral is if you have a hobby car drive it as much as you can because there may be a day you wish you still could.

Here is a link to a web story on what one person expects we will see and speculate on some wild cards. I thought since we have not really spoken much on this this would help us try to predict what GM will do. Lets try to keep realistic here and keep this to what we think they will do not what we wish they will do. I would like to see who here can come closest to predicting what will really go into production. http://www.enginelab...-block/?print=1 Things have been a little slow here and we need something to help get us rev'd up for Detroit in a few months.