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I find it funny how [and not anyone here] believe these paper tiger SUV are anything more than what they are. Normally most people who have these are not expecting to do any off roading as they know they are limited. Most just buy them because for some reason they believe anymore that you can not drive in rain or snow with 2wd. We made it most of the way through 100 years of 2wd and sh$% tires and now many can't make it home without awd in a little ice. Just an example of how unprepared people are today and not just on cars. Just look at what happens if the power goes off for more than 4 hours. God help us if we ever have to tough it out here. Many could not make it a week without a store or cell phone. I rmember being in WV in a new Lincoln Town Car and trying to get out of a major flood back in the hollows in the mountains. It is amazing if you watch the ground clearance the ability of a 2 wd Town Car on a logging road. LOL! We used to even off road in a Fiat wagon. We used to take it motorcycle trails chasing kids on motorcycles. You could get it in some tight spots and if you got stuck you just got out and picked it up and moved it to solid ground.

Same could be said for the thousands of performance machines (Corvettes, Mustangs, Challengers, BMWs and Mercedes) that are never driven as they were built!! All too often I'm stuck behind an older driver in their $50-$80k performance sedan or coupe going 5 MPH below the speed limit in teh left lane. Not every 4WD owner takes their truck off-road, and not every performance car owner drives it like they stole it. But image is everything to that owner I make a living in the after market. Trust me many of the perfromance cars get well used, maybe not all but most. The light SUV market is just made for the Soccer Moms who are tired of paying $90 to fill up. Lets face it they buy these things because they fit kids the their things. They sit high yup so they can see and the option of AWD for those who have little skill in winter driving. They are not buying them for the Off Road but for the other things they offer. Then you have the husband like me that will sign off on it because Thank God It is Not A Minivan. Look at the face of a man in a minivan and you will see a man who has given up on life. LOL!

I agree with your statements above 100%. GMC should have 3 distinct levels of their models where necessary - standard (current trim lineup of W/T, SL, SLE, SLT), urban (Denali), and off-road (All Terrain). A truck/CUV/SUV for everyone's needs Just imagine if GM listened to SOME OF us Some OF THE TIME, they could make some serious cash. Fixed. Let be hones some here never get it right and even those who do get it right most of the time still miss once in while. Like I have said if it was as easy to run a automaker as some of use think it is would they be in the trouble they are in. It is more than spouting ideas and posting a bunch of numbers. LOL!

The fact is Hyummer should have just been a model at GM as Lutz stated. He to this day said making it a stand alone division was his worst mistake. GM just needs to make an option package for the trucks that provides a off road package with some trick bits in it. I am not sure you would even need to get fancy like the raptor. Just offer a package that could turn any of their trucks into a real off road vehicle with skidsm, shocks, tires, coolers etc. While the Raptor is cook it is very expensive for what you get. I think if you make it available on different cab set ups and even the Tahoe or Envoy you would see added sales. Sell it as a add on not just a model. But then do the same with a handling package for the two wheel drive full size trucks like the ZQ8.

I also expect the heads are larger and would not be suprised if the strengthened the block even more. GM has been adding more structure to their engines. In many cases it is worth a little weight.. We will have to watch to see what the parts weigh in at to tell. But the engine is still not bad.

While the MFG's are trying to make use of the better oils and the better quality engines to make you new car more economical by not having to change oil as often. The problem is it is taking money out of the pockets of oil change shops and dealer service shop. The average car owner seldom reads the owners manual because he already knows how to drive the car and set the radio. He has had it beat through his head to change at 3,000 miles but has no idea how good oils are today and how the OLM really works and what all goes into it. Hell I just read the other day a NOX owner though he had too much fuel in his oil so he changed it and now thinks it is running smoother. The truth was he may have just had some bad gas as an oil change would not have fixed the condition he discribed. GM should so more to explain the OLM as well as the Dexos deal. I see even many gear heads that do not understand what they are doing here. The fact is many cars in the future will need special oils and the MFG's want to be the ones who decide what they need not the oil companies. Also it add some extra income to a limited degree. As for Dexcool there is nothing wrong with it other than the lack of knowledge. Too many people condem it because they may have had an issue but the fact is most people have never had an issue. The fact is you have to keep a good strong mix of this fluid in the system as if it is weak or has air in the system it will sludge up. The tolerance on this product is tighter than the average green prestone. If used properly there is nary an issue with this anti freeze. But then again it is the lack of info from GM on how to deal with it. While I blame GM for not passing out the info in a better way the owners also need to accept that todays cars have changed a lot more than they think. Things we used to do the old way do not apply any longer. If you do not read or take training to keep up best to let the pros do it anymore. Case in point the new DI system is not your old fuel injection. There are things to learn and know like how high the pressure is and that many of the lines are one time use and need to be replaced if removes. But some guy at home will try to do it the old way and muck it up.

The blinged up hummer sold much better than if they had gone for a off road package. Lets face it the off road thing for the most part is not a big seller right now with the average buyer. Yes there are parts of the country they could do well but most of these buyers would want a truck vs a SUV. GMC would be better off offering a prime off road package like Ford on the Sierra and Caynon. I would love to see a prerunner look like I see in San Diego when I drop in our there. Also a cheaper truck with a off road packages like skids and things that really would help a truck off road would do well. This would even sell in fleet sales at a mark up for more profit with many oil, lumber and construction firms. Few companies offer this right now,.

Regardless of whether the ATS-V gets this engine, the CTS-V won't. The CTS-V is already at 556hp with the current LSA engine. It's replacement will need to be either a turbocharged or supercharged version of the LT1 to be at or above the current performance level. The CTSV will get an engine based on this and we all know it will have a turbo or more than likely a supercharger. MY statment is that this engine is the base for all variation coming at GM. They may slap a supercharger on it and a LT5 name but it will be based on this engine with some changes just as the LS engines were. There will be a family of LT engines just as the LS engines. If anything I have heard numbers in the 600+ range may be in the offing for the CTS and the number 750 HP ZRI have been rumored. Just have to wait and see, but both are very easily done. There was talk of a V6 version of this engine but nothing to prove that yet.

Not sure if we will see a smaller V8 based on the Cylinder delete option. This is where GM claims a lot of MPG is gained and the smaller displacment just does not handle the power well with 4 cylinders.. They claim it would remain in V8 mode too much. Now if there were not a cylinder delet option being used we would have seen the smaller engine. The think with this engine is it will have torque from down low and hold it most of the way up like my Turbo Eco does. This will give this engine a feel unlike the LS3. The coming Turbo V6 will be the engine with more and faster revs but it too will also have low end torque that will remain all the way up. It will also have a noticable lack lag too.

Nice engine and I wish they would put the Small Block name to rest as it deserves it's own heritage. The number of parts that carry over from the LS engine can fit in a small Zip Loc bag. Well the injectors will be buried for those who don't like the noise. I just hope they are easy to get to to replace them or that they are at the least durable. Too many idiots on Autoblog are complaining only 450 HP from 6.2? They seem to not read all the words that it will be no less than 450 HP. I still expect 460-470 HP by the release time. They said the base Vette would run with the present Grandsport. I still do not expect this in the ATS V but it will be in the new CTSV. The Z06 and ZR1 replacments should be interesting. I note they played with the valves like many of the aftermarket head companys have to get better flow. Trick Flow started it and many others hav followed with canting the valves. We found them to work years ago and GM has their own version now. Owners who add fuel pressure monitors will be shocked when they see over 2000 PSI on the High pressure pump side. What I found interesting was the choice of 6.2. They said it was because when the engine would go into V4 mode that there was too little power in the smaller engine. They said by increasing the size it gave the V4 mode enough power to remain in V4 mode for more MPG. The smaller engine would have been in V8 mode more and payed the MPG penalty. It had noting to do with efficency but with available power with 4 cylinders cut out.

GM has been getting better and faster at addressing isuses. My 04 GTP took nearly a year to fix the bouncing headlamps with a simple metal bracket. I like the fix it and fix it now kind of action.

Oh sure these are winners. Glacier a slow moving mass. It may be slow but not that slow. Appalachian What would we do here a Jed Clampet Edition? Saratoga Been done and it was not really that great nor GM. To be honest the name means little to me. GMC is a truck division and they were just trying to butch up a high sitting minivan. All I know it has more than paid for itself at GMC as one of their best non pick up sellers in years. They are making money and as long as it is paying the light bills it has earned the Terrain name. Lets face it marketing and image is imporatant in this pretender class. Since you will not really be off road you have to project that image. I am suprised at how many on the forum for the Terrain and Nox are wanting to make them more off road like with push bars, step bars and lifts. They always get ticked when informed there really is not much and will never be much in this kind of off road type of things. But some have found some parts and have taken on the look. To me it's my wifes cars and she likes it and while I would not want it for a daily driver I do enjoy the comfort and sitting high up when I do drive it. In my HHR I am not sitting all that high since the SS is a little lover than the standard and in the Fiero my eye level is below a door handle on most present day sedans. I was next to a Lexus last month and had too look up at the door handle.

At least unlike a Jeep Compass my Terrain really has a Compass. Unless Jeep added one since intro. I like to think my Terrain is "Urban Rated". I can climb curbs, beat winter damaged Ohio roads, turf lawns and take short cuts to avoid traffic.

I jumped a curb and drove through a yard last week. Does that make me off road rated? It was a big curb. Lets face it of all the AWD and 4x4 SUVs out there 80% of them never go off road. Most do not even really need the AWD on the roads either.

With what I know owning a Eco Turbo and a Terrain the MPG would be horrid. The issue is the Terrain is just two heavy and to move the mass the MPG would drop. MY HHR is 3200 and gets 25 City and 32 Highway. but the Terrain is over 4000 pounds and to get it moving would eat up the MPG. The next gen Terrain will be smaller and much lighter. I suspect it will only be a 4 and Turbo 4 with no V6 option when it hits the Delta II. Knowing what I know now I would not go turbo 4 in a 4000 pound vehicle. It may sound cool and drive fine but it would get the same or worse MPG as a similar powered V6.

DI engines have been noisy from the start. They if anything have gotten more quiet. While DI helps in power and MPG it always has had issuws with the noise. The injectors pushing up to and over 2000 PSI to inject fuel into high compression cylinders work very hard and slam shut making a mechanical sound that is not plesent to those on the sidewalk but has little effect to anyone inside. My 3.0 in the GMC is quiet and has little notice inside but it growls much like a N start as the revs climb. WHile the GMC outside is fairly quiet the HHR does make a lot of more clatter. THis is a case of 08 vs 12 changes. Also the Ecotec was redesigned recently to take advantage of new ways to silnce the engine. Like I said the DI engines could be better but ealiy 90% of those who own them will and have complained more about tire noise. The two forum sites I visit for my two vehicles I have seen little to no complaints on the engine sounds. Do they want more power and MPG ...yes but sound issues are very rarely brought up even compared to other makes and models. As for the tire noise it is a big complain with many owners with replacment tires. One thing too is a V6 and 4 cylinder are difficult to make sound good with most models. Of all the V6 cars I have ever had the 60 degree 2.8 in my Fiero is the only one that had a good exhaust note. The one advantae a V8 has is sound and there are few smaller engines that can reproduce that. Same for a V12 on the track vs a V8 as a 12 has a amazing sound. As for my SS I will live with the factory exhaust as I hate the sound of a 4 in most cases with a more open exhaust. The Fart can sound is just not amusing to me.

This design is horrible and looks too old ands uses too new looking head lamps. This tells me the interior is going to suck too. I just posted that to get it out of the way before one of the Foil Hat people go off the deep end. To be honest this photo gives me some hope as I have not expect much of a nose change based on the body shape. But from what is seen here it looks like they will make the nose look much more expensive at least on the higher end trucks with the better lights. I now expect we will get a better detailed grill to go with this. I am a little more excited now. It will be intersting to see what we get now. We should see the engine in a couple days and that will be very telling.

The clatter has been there from tha start and if anything is better since they have insulated the HP fuel pump. The sound is more noted out side but most people do not notice or even complain. The reason most do not complain as most of the cars with this engine are very quiet inside and they do not notice with the radio on. I expect GM is already working with suppliers on quieter injectors. While I do agree the engine needs some upgrades I do not find it nearly as bad as some like to make it. Compared to my Gen III 3800 SC it feels damn well refinded. Could it be better yes is it that bad no.

Yes there is no turbo and there is no planned 2.5 till this thing goes to Delta II some time ln 2014. If she wants Torque she will want the new 3.6. But do have her drive the 2.4 as it does run pretty well for a 4. The week I had it I was not looking forward to it but after a week I was impressed how well it did. Note my daily driver is normally a 2.0 Turbo with 315 FL LBS. To be honest I suspect the 2.0 Turbo would not even get 20 MPG in town. I get 25 in my HHR but it also is 800 pounds lighter. The 3.0 is a good engine if you can get a deal on a left over 12 and the 3.6 is only better on the 13, Like I said I wish the MPG was more but for the weight it is the vehicle does fine. You can have her drive both but she will just need to decide what shape and dash color lights she likes. They drive the same and look the same from behind the wheel. The odd thing is the GMC looks so much bigger but it is still the same size as the Nox less an inch or two in length. I think the more squared shape just adds to the impressing of size. The Nox is cheaper but watch some models do not include the back up camera and projection headlamps. Often you can get the dealer down on the GMC to where these little things will be included for a similar price. If she is older the Camera will help and the headlihgts are a must as they are much better. The Intellilink or Mylink may not matter to her but if and when you ever sell it or trade it this could be a major issue with some buyers as this will become the new normal for GM vehicles. Also if the dealer does not have what you want ask them for a dealer trade. They can get what ever you want if another dealer has one unsold. We made our deal and they brought ours in from 50 Miles out. In fact 4 of my last 5 cars were dealer trades.

13 the 3.6 engine an upgraded DIC and a Denali option 12 GMC Itellilink system in dash 10-11 were nearly the same. Also the later models has small runnung changes that adressed issues they had with early models. You know the never buy the first year issues. 11's had a lot of 4 cylinder issued with sensors and timing chains too. Buying used most seem to be ok for the most part. The prices on the early ones were high as the dealers did not come off the price much. Used prices are still pretty much up there too but there is some savings. We ended up buying a 12 new because we got a good price on one after several years of dealers not wanting to deal much on price. We had several things that dropped the price including the one that saved us near $1000 on the V6 alone. We bought a SLT2 loaded but if you are willing to take a lesser model with the 4 cylinder there are some good buys out there. I once had a rental Nox LS for a week and it was nice. While not loaded it had most of the important things you look for. One thing to note. This thing is over 4000 pounds and you can get MPG with the 4 cylinder but don't expect to go up a lot of ramps to the freeway WOT and get the EPA numbers. The 4 if driven easy will return the numbers but like any other engine you can't put the pedal on the floor and expect good MPG. THe 4 will move it smartly along but it pays a price. The V6 pretty much hits the EPA numbers or better. THe V6 you will have to adjust too if you are used to say a V8. THis engine is much like a Northstar and the power is 3000 and up. You need to adjust your driving to expecting higher RPM. Anyways if possible I would stick to a 2012 or later just for the Inellilink. radio it is nice and you will be able to down load upgrades and features for free from GM off their web site. THis is GM's system for the future. We are up to 8000 miles and so far not one single issue or need for warranty. I have had to change the oil once and rotate the tires and that is all. This thing so far seems screwed together very well. I wish it got better MPG but I can't complain as it is getting what it was stated to get or better. It is as good as our GTP was.

We are getting a different bed than most markets. Many of the other markets are getting their more traditional beds with the outside tie downs. The States will get the bed we are used to here.

1968-1977 C3 inspiration, maybe??? I think they have injected a little hint of Pinnifarina since this car will go a little more global. The C pillar change makes for a longer and more flowing design vs the 90 degree chop of the roof halo. I think this is one change that will go over well. The complaints will come from the new tail lights but they will get over them just as they did with the non pop up headlamps. I also am not sure on the side cut and the trim on it. While the things I have seen were about 90% correct the small details like this could have changed. Also it may look better in person. Ok are you ready, here is a tough one. Will they offer it in red? "All Corvettes are Red" Even the blue ones.

To bad reality is not that simple. Ok are you ready, here is a tough one. Will they offer it in red?

Such insite how do you do it? You risk taker you. LOL! Are you going to go out on a limb and predict a Manual and Automatic version along with a convertible too? LOL!

CTS coup or convertible on a Vette platform would be a total wreck. The CTS is moving to the world class Alpha platform and would just fine there with a bump in V power. As for collector cars there are few post 1978 Pace Cars that will have much value. Too many of the limited editions were made including the 78 Pace Car. The fact is also too many are just trim packages than hardware. Even cars with the changes in hardware are too many in numbers or they get passed up with the next model change that makes them less than desireable. Case in point the first ZR1 and I expect the present special 427 convertible to be passed up with the new Gen 5 engine and the C7 platform. The days of the 1 of 7 or 1 of 50 made went away with the COPO cars of the 60's and early 70's. Even the present ZR1 will be out muscled at some point and no longer the king of the hill. The limited cars will call for a little more value over the standard model but the new cars will never see the prices of a ZL1 or 67 L88 unless Chevy changes and does some very limited models like the COPO Camaro. Though you may have something in high demand with that 67 Split window. LOL!