bowtie_dude

This isn't about excuses as to WHY the Sierra (or Silvy) are incapable of towing as much as the Tundra, its just about the simple fact that it can't and that GM needs to rectify that. Also, its not like this is going to give the Tundra 4-5 times the sales it would need to match GM or Ford, but its still a black eye.

This is a half-ton towing evaluation. Between the Ram 1500, Sierra 1500, Ford F-150, Nissan Titan and Toyota Tundra, which tows the best? At the moment, the Tundra. No amount of semantics is going to change that. Sure, if you really wanted to tow something buy the 3/4 ton. But hell, if you're TRULY serious, buy a medium duty Kodiak or F-550!!!

I've seen more Acadias than Outlooks, which seems to confirm Feb sales numbers. Both are outstanding looking vehicles.

Then GM needs to prove it! The 6.0L puts out less HP than the Tundras 5.7L at the moment. Couple that with GM ONLY offering that ages-old f@#king 4-spd slush box in its pickups and Toyota has a truck that, based on capability, is BETTER than the Sierra and Silverado. Now I don't like the fact that the Tundra keeps winning these "true truck" comparos anymore than you do, but its GMs fault and GM needs to f@#king fix it.

If you ask me, instead of dogging toyoguy for bragging, we need to be pressuring GM (we know one of you GM suits are watching this board ) to increase the 5300 performance or make it the base engine and have the 6000 available across the entire lineup. Or do both. I'm all about a good ol fashioned HP war between Ford, Toyota and GM, with each MFG making changes each model year to one-up each other. Be fun.

Seems like Trailblazer, Envoy, and maybe even potential Tahoe buyers may be opting for the Acadia, Outlook, or Yukon.

At this point most vehicles from the 80s, unless they have been taken special care of, have rusted out. Toyotas, Hondas, Chevys, Fords, Buicks, Olds, etc etc ALL look like trash. GM, for the most part, had gotten reliability back under control by the mid-90s and I see many many GMs on the road from the mid-late-90s still running great. However, set foot inside one of these decade-old cars and there you see the difference.

Big truck, it is. Best looking, it most certainly is not. Well, IMO anyway. I think the Sierra is the best looking, even if it does heavily resemble the outgoing F-series SD in the front. The Sierra Denali is all kinds of macho and class rolled into one. I've seen a few new Tundras on the road so far. Not really surprised as I see Ridgelines all the time as well. Toyota will likely meet its 200k projection, but thats all it'll ever do. Toyota faces the same situation in large pickups that GM faces in family cars, and it likely won't ever be overcome. Because, unlike with cars, GM (or Ford) has never built a bad truck.

^^^^ HAWT!

BMW offers more model variations for the 3-series alone than Pontiac would offer in its entire lineup. Thats a safe estimate, but I honestly can see it being much more because most of the people in that spending range would go for a "safe" vehicle choice, IE, something FWD. There just aren't that many people in that price range looking for sporty RWD vehicles. When you get into the price range of 30-40k with the 3-series, your entire demographic changes.

Fly is the bee's knees, as the saying goes. He roxxors my boxxors, as another saying goes. In other words, HE DA MAN!

Future of P-B-GMC, as I see it. Pontiac - Majority or ALL RWD/AWD. Small, mid-size, and full-size RWD cars. To include Solstice (or Solstice-sized) coupe, hatch/sedan, and convert, mid-size sedan, and full-size sedan and coupe. Possible FWD/AWD or RWD/AWD small X-over (similar to RDX or X3) Buick - FWD/AWD mid-size (to compete with ES), RWD/AWD large sedan, coupe, and maybe even convertible, FWD/AWD large X-over (RX competitor). GMC - Aside from losing the Envoy, GMC won't change from what it is now. This kind of lineup avoids overlap with each other as well as other GM brands.

They do? Aside from Jeep, which has little in the way of actual competition really, and the minivans, what Chrysler product is competitive? What Chrysler product is better than a comparable product from the competition?

I'm not blindly loyal. But, like Fly said, aside from Jeep and the minivans, Chrysler is relatively irrelevant.

Agree 1000000%

You're not a person. You're some kind of forum bot attached to an automotive information database.

I left my rat's ass in another thread. Sorry, Toyota, for I have no more asses to give.

Yeah, pretty much. GM commands more than TWICE the marketshare of Chrysler Group, with all the extra employees and dependants that entails. Consider how much of CG's marketshare is pumped into rental and fleets and the impact of Chrysler biting the bullet is even less significant.

The problem is your perception of the future of the brand. Once GM gets Chevrolet and Saturn straightened out with competitive product, Pontiac will likely be moved away from mainstream volume products and towards more unique, niche products. Think total brand sales volume between 100-150k instead of the current 250k.

Because at the moment both are very similar in what they offer. They're both "sport-tuned" FWD mid-size family sedans, only the G6 has a 4-cyl volume model as well as the coupe and convertible models. Any sales loss by the G6 moving to RWD would likely be recovered by the Malibu and Aura.

HO! ly $h!! Thats f@#king horrible!

Eh, I'm honestly not that impressed. The CLS is a much sexier car, IMO.

Oh, so you were just being lazy. Thats fine then.

How much can high-strength plastic weigh?

Apparently luggage rails are bad for fuel economy?