Drew Dowdell

what the hell kinda emoticon are you tryin to type Ocn?

this just hit me. For the purposes of calulating CAFE, flexfuel vehicles get counted by the amount of gasoline they use when burning E85, not the total amount of the fuel. So something like the FlexFuel Tahoe gets counted as some crazy high rating like 80mpg or something. Back over at the RWD v. FWD debate on the Impala.... isn't the answer there just to make every engine option FlexFuel? 3.9 litre base <I know! groan! moan! bitching from the lot of you> and 5.3litre optional.

you make baby jesus cry

I have kidnapped him and am keeping him in the trunk of a Daewoo Leganza that is trying to be sold from the used car section of an undisclosed Mitsubishi dealership. You'll never find him..... in fact.... in all likelihood no one ever will.

Helloooooo RWD Impala SS!

problem is, it doesn't look like a supercar.

My 5.3 Avalanche is much smoother and quieter than my 3.6 DOHC CTS. The smoothest, quietest engine I've ever driven behind was a '94 Roadmaster LT-1. Buick Lucerne V6 is a close second.

I can't believe we share a city.

Are you saying that Cadillac could have 25% market share in a segment occupied by Lexus, Audi, Mercedes, BMW and Jaguar? All I've got to say to that is :sign0200:

I saved the graphic and I'm gonna make my own

Damn. :drool: get that one Pauli.... it's even in the right color!

I think the point is this: Does anyone outside of C&G care about what Chevrolet has stood for? The average american has the attention span of a meth-head Chihuahua on espresso. Just ask Chrysler how that RWD 300 is doin....

I think large FWD cars will be a common 2nd choice when people come down from their SUV/CUV high.

Could be, I know the 300 did, but I was pulling from the list presented to me of FWD big cars.

If it's a fading market, why would you leave it in a brand that you're trying to move upscale?

I picture the Alpha chevy to be about the same size as the current Malibu but in a sporty form. Kinda like if Dodge had kept the Intrepid in production while simultaneously bringing out the Charger. Appeal to two sides of the same market. You'll notice I made the list up so that each body style of Alpha is shared between two brands to cover volume issues. Are there any other 2 door Zetas out there that aren't Camaro? A two door Zeta for just Buick is an awfully large commitment for what would inevitably be a low volume car. Actually, I'm hoping not. What I want to see happen is the DTS and Lucerne replacements move upmarket substantially. Lucerne bases at 26k today. On zeta they should add at least 10k to that. Yeah, GM will take a hit in volume, but that's what happens on a 10k jump in price. There should be no excuses made for a 36k base Zeta Buick. Yes, I'm suggesting that Chevy take the G-body over as the Caprice. Assuming they improve the engine and transmission, it should have no trouble meeting the numbers Buick + Cadillac put out. The volume has to come from somewhere.

Ven, as much as I agree with you <and I do>, the Maxima, Avalon, Sable, and Taurus aren't exactly lighting up the sales charts. Heck, I think the Lucerne outsells each of them except the Taurus. Edit: Though I think that supports my argument that the Lucerne would make a better Chevy than Buick.

We try to stay out of politics here.... however that might be a good topic if it can remain civil. I stopped in on the trading floor at work a few times to watch what was going on. Things were all over the place on the energy market today.

Here you go

Doesn't this CAFE development put GM way ahead of the curve? After the Volt comes out, who's to say they couldn't expand the technology into other vehicles? Do you really have to have the rumble of a V8 under the hood? 300ft/lbs of torque at 0 rpm from an electric motor sound mighty nice to me.....

G8 EXT

I need that on a T-shirt.... pronto!

Oh... I forgot it's all about you... :AH-HA_wink: an alpha G6 coupe with the HF3.6 and 6-speed manual wouldn't appeal to you?

Well, it's a plan that would make decent business sense for GM, but also keep the brands unique and not stepping on each other's toes. Gets a few more years out of the really good G-body platform, keeps the volume up that would be lost by the death of the Lucerne and DTS. Spreads Alpha around fairly Keeps the RWD fans happy Makes Buick viable again Makes Pontiac relevant again.

Lucerne dropped from Buick Updated, restyled, DTS sized, Lucerne takes place at the top of the Chevy lineup as a Caprice; has HF3.6 and Vortec 5.3 as engines Buick gets EPII LaCrosse, bases around 29k Buick get Zeta Park Ave, bases around 38k Chevy gets Alpha based Impala sedan and coupe with Ecotec4 and HF2.8 Buick gets Alpha based Riviera coupe and Riviera convertible with HF3.6 and HF3.6DI Pontiac gets Alpha based G6 coupe, sedan and convertible with Ecotec Turbo and HF3.6DI for GXP version + 6-speed manuals