Drew Dowdell

And what better way then a V8 powered Buick to blow off the young whipper snappers in!

You're getting up to Park Ave age aren't you?

who?

I think there needs to be a substantial dealer consolidation. If Toyota is pushing out that many cars from so few dealerships, GM can too.

All I want is fairness in the reviews. There is no need for mention of any of those product in a review of a current product. I doubt there would be much debate between you and I on the remaining trouble spots. I like the W-body but I know it needs to go. I think the Lacross and new Aveo5 have been beaten with an ugly stick. I think GM made a mistake not giving the Cobalt an MCE for MY2007, I think GM is making a mistake not continuing with the the SRX. I think all the pushrod V6s could be replaced with the turbo 4, HF2.8 and HF3.6 with various goodies like DI or turbo grafted on as needed. I'm not a kool-aid drinker. I slam GM where they deserve it and defend them when they get slammed inappropriately. Bringing up the 8-6-4, unless directly discussing AFM, is inappropriate.

So, other than the Malibu or CTS, what GM cars currently made are worthy of a review that includes any of the following? 8-6-4 Cimmaron Citation Vega Celebrity Corsica Quad-4 Aztek

actually, if you scroll up, I said DTS and I said the mentions of the citation were for a previous generation Malibu...again while not a stunning car, didn't deserve to be compared to that. I know I've read a review of a 2007 DTS that mentioned the 8-6-4 and Cimmaron. It was an overall positive review, but there is still no need to be bringing those up. Can you think of any viable reason to mention any of these things in a review of a 2007 DTS or 2006 Malibu? If the answer is "yes", does that same reasoning apply to the Odyssey and it's first gen? or the G20? or the SLX? I'll do what I can to find the articles for you.

it's only a flagship if you consider Lincoln to be a Buick equivalent. I don't think that's the direction Lincoln should take. They should aim for the luxurious side of Mercedes Benz.

Even better a Pontiac Solstice review that discusses the 8-6-4, Vega, Corvair and Aztec. 1998 Seville review that talks about the 8-6-4 and Cimmaron

They brought the W-body designer out of retirement?

That is not the issue here. The issue is the spin. As already pointed out in this thread: and v. and Enzl.... that's called spin. Spin Toyota up and Spin GM down. I'm perfectly willing to admit that Toyota's big SUV is every bit as good as the reviewers say it is. It's the spin that I hate. THAT is where the bias is. Bias is talking about the Cimmaron or 8-6-4 in a 2007 DTS review. Bias is bringing up the Citation in a Malibu review..... even the previous generation Malibu which wasn't amazing but still didn't deserve to be compaired to a Citation. When do you ever hear about '83 Corolla rust traps in Toyota reviews? Bias is talking about Toyota's green cred while blasting GM for big SUVs..... forgetting to mention that GM's SUVs are usually more efficient. *this one is starting to go away*

just for fun: 1997 Chevrolet Malibu 1995 Chrysler Cirrus 1991 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ 1983 AMC / Renault Alliance 1981 Chrysler K Cars, Dodge Aries / Plymouth Reliant 1980 Chevrolet Citation 1978 Chrysler, Dodge Omni / Plymouth Horizon 1976 Chrysler, Dodge Aspen / Plymouth Volare 1975 Chevrolet Monza 2+2

This isn't a Lincoln flagship, but neither is the MKR. A Lincoln flagship needs to be big, needs to be RWD, and needs to have a V8 or twinforce standard.

I've reserved a cars as I've walked up to it.

Considering that this was a 2002 concept and the 300c came out as a 2005 in early 2004.... Lincoln could have beaten Chrysler to the punch because they already had the platform ready to go.

You know why I don't like this car? One reason: We could have had that. That would get me to jump ship from GM. That would get Chrysler 300C owners to jump ship. That could likely even get non-snob E-class and GS owners to jump ship. Even if it didn't have all the cool concept stuff and suicide doors or weird trunk. Just keep the outside shape and styling, put it on the DEW98 platform. Profit.

slamming the door on a civic or corolla also feels like a coke can....

uh... how many non LR/Jeep/Hummer/Land Cruiser SUVs would be fording 22inches of water or climbing sand dunes?

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first thing you have to do is replace every rubber part the fuel touches with stainless steel. Keep in mind that you'll essentially be running 100 octane and the timing issues that will cause.

OMG! IT will NEVAR outhandLE teh 3-series! Lincoln is teh suxors! OF course it competes with Teh 3-series since teh prise is teh same

Wouldn't that just be the previous generation CTS-V powertrain?

It even has pontiac version headlights built right in.

*sigh* I hate you Audi for starting this gaping mouth trend in grills.

I would, but there isn't much of a jump from top end CTS to bottom end CTS-V. The V8 would need to overlap each vehicle at least a little bit. I have my doubts a Northstar would fit.