Drew Dowdell

Why not? The original 3.2 in the CTS was a 2 1/2 year only engine. It was replaced by the 2.8HF. If there ever was an example of a DOHC V6 being less refined than a pushrod V6.... the 3.2 would be it. It sounded awful, had a rough idle due to it's oddball 54 degree cylinder bank <I always describe it as a "limp">, used timing belts, wasn't particularly powerful for it's size and is the main cause for the poor rating for the CTS in CR in it's first year.... and thusly CR ignoring the substantially superior and better selling 3.6HF in subsequent years and continuing to base the CTS's rating on just the 3.2. Strangely it was based on the 3.0 available in the final years of the Saturn LS.... which, while not being a barn burner, was completely the opposite in terms of running mannerisms when compared to the 3.2. Additionally, the 3.0 had comparable power to the pushrod 3.4 and could have been directly swapped in and silenced all the whining about pushrods in the Minivans, N-bodies, W-bodies, etc. Sorry for the oddball GM DOHC V6 history lesson.

It's these taunting headlines and posts of PCS's that I take particular issue with. Rather than posting about which cars were voted most popular, the headline describes one of the many that didn't make the most popular list.....with the specific intention of taunting certain members.

So... wait. She's concerned about status.... but gravitates towards a Vibe over a Rendezvous Ultra?

We need to talk about matching your tie with your shirt properly. Patterned shirt means solid tie. Solid shirt means patterned tied or solid tie of identical color or of starkly contrasting color. Patterned shirt with patterned tie =

you mean like all those regular cab F-150, Silverado, Ram, Tundra buyers?

Personally, I'm waiting for drag races powered by matter/anti-matter.

So build more Wind, Solar, Nuc-u-lar, and trash incinerators..... what's the problem here? Why is it when we have a problem; the response is automatically "Well &#036;h&#33;! We'd have to change the way we do something... can't have that!" Seriously people, I don't care if my car is powered by rabbit farts as long as rabbit farts are cheap and my car is fast and smooth.

so position it as a sports car.... what's the problem here?

Could be. I had Yokohama Avid Touring or Dunlop WinterSports on it. I didn't mind the 16s on my car because it was black. I don't think I could have gotten away with it in any other color.

No, I didn't have that package. I had 16s on mine. Cheaper for switching back and forth between snow tires/summer tires twice a year.... and I'm not a wheel size queen. I had craptastic Goodyears

perhaps you ran over a honda?

I wouldn't consider OE tires wearing out at 28k to be a problem. I got 10k out of the original tires on my CTS. OE tires are notorious for short treadlife so that isn't something I would put much weight on. If your only other problem was the sunroof, then it sounds like you had a pretty good run with the vehicle. GM's CPO program is pretty decent. I would be confident in such a purchase.

heh... I was wondering if that would get mixed up. Dominic isn't my BF. Dominic is my BFF. No, Dominic is staying here. Albert, my BF, might move to Germany 3-4 months after I go over.

1985, I'm not in it for the money. 1985 E-bodies + Seville, 1985 Continental, very slightly used 1983 b-body coupes, best year of the GM 350 diesel.

so that's where GM &#036;h&#33; comes from.....

see if she can get a multi-pack of transmissions though....

+1 on Alero or Saab

fixed. Yes.

so you admit they are just excuses and not actual valid reasons?

Huh? The panthers are ancient and were about the same age as the B-bodies at the time. The Fleetwood was easily better than the Town Car..... and as far as longevity... not much beats a b-body.

so we're not going to cheer when GM cans the DTS and produces a 7-series competitor?

Truth. especially with that Turbo-4 BAS-II waiting in the wings. More torque at 1,000 rpm than the 3.6vvt and much better highway gas mileage and engine shut off at stop.... what's not to love?

Still, what about the 278 in the Lambdas?

I"m actually surprised there is no cheering of GM/Lutz for dropping the pushrod V6 option. Seriously guys... for people who harp on pushrods as much as you do... this slipped by you?

They must have tuned the DI for efficiency rather than performance. 260hp is only 5 more than the non-DI 3.6 in the CTS. Yes the f-bodies were more stylish and performed much better than their Ford counterparts.... but the same could be said of the B-Bodies too and look where they ended up.