Drew Dowdell

Oil rose to $118 yesterday, opens today at $115 RBOB Gasoline still hovering in the high $2.90s, the lower priced crude probably still hasn't hit refineries yet.

Would you mind making this same thing but with just the center logo? I use this as my desktop wallpaper and it looks great, I get lots of compliments. I'd like to also use it on my new blackberry as the background, but the smaller logos make it too busy on such a small screen.

Well my "triple redundancy" was coming from the cost of all the stimulus checks sent out. My point was that $168 billion could have been spent with much better returns even if all you did was invest all of it in wind power. It wasn't a comprehensive energy policy.

Typical lifespan is set at 25 years at which time the tower would remain in place but the generator assembly would be replaced and the blades refurbished at a much lower cost than initial installation. I'm not saying no nukes. In fact, I'd prefer nukes as a way to smooth the power delivery from wind. However, I still see wind as the primary source. With nukes however, I want to see new reactor design. I much prefer the compact, and likely safer, pebble bed breeder reactor design over the huge monstrosities we currently have.

The RL doesn't even stack up to the sales of used Seville STSes..... it's a non-starter.

Spend $2.5 billion on wind and have higher peak output as your 650mw nuke plant AND have redundancy built in.

Why? Because anything above 40k has to be able to lap Nurburgring right with the Cobalt SS?

You don't think triple redundancy spread across every part of this map that is blue wouldn't cover us? And in the event that the wind stops blowing across the entire country for a day, there are still coal and nuke plants out there.

QUOTE(Satty @ Aug 6 2008, 05:46 PM) [snapback]417647[/snapback]To be fair, 78% of his statistics have a source. I really don't consider his ass to be a source of anything valuable to this board.

For being the best at pulling numbers out of his ass: SMK

*sigh* This is going to be a long thread. Wind power is only about 2 cents per kwh more expensive than coal currently, but the price for wind generators is coming down as economies of scale start to kick in. Nuclear is cheap only if you're not counting building and disposal costs.

Did you just insinuate that the government acts rationally and sensibly?

Lucerne's torque is listed at 237 v. 275 for the 2007 Merc thus allowing lower gearing.... as I said.

otherwise known as "Make the check out to General Motors Corp."

Would you be willing to pay 48k for a Lucerne if the body was made of aluminum and it had a 6-speed? Do you think the typical buyer of this car would?

Gearing + torque ... and you're really not saying much about the Ford since the 3.9 V6 has more horsepower than the 4.6 V8.

one last correction..... $168 billion would buy enough of the big wind generators to power every household in America...... three times.

Oil close down another $2 today to finish at $116 RBOB Gasoline relatively unchanged, finished at $2.9523

Perhaps I worded it poorly. I'm not saying $168 billion would buy a wind generator for each household. I'm staying that $168 billion would buy enough of the big wind generators to power every household. Oh yeah, and all those trees stop the wind too.

He is basically responsible for all of the above except FWD. Kill 7 birds with one stone. I don't really think FWD is a bad thing, just the over emphasis on it. GM not had Roger Smith, they would have done much much better, we probably wouldn't have Saturn, we might still have Oldsmobile, and Chrysler and Ford would have had to keep up. A lot of the domestic's problems revolved around ignoring the threats from the east. If Ford and Chrysler <and AMC>, had a domestic competitor that they couldn't ignore, things would have been much different.

It's not about global warming at all. It's about sustainable energy. The Saudis are lying about the size of their reserves oil are being depleted faster than we're being told. Here is a map of the wind generation potential of the US. All off the area in blue is prime wind generation area and we have something called a grid that allows us to move electricity all over the US... so even if the wind isn't blowing in Detroit, the lights are kept on by wind power in Texas.

man, I work in the electricity generation and wholesale business with a focus on green energy.... really want to go to the mat with me on this one?

Other: Roger Smith.

is this a joke? If you go back to enough sources, wind is hydrogen energy. Hydrogen fuses in the sun creating heat and light for solar energy. Solar energy heats the air on earth causing variances in temperature. Hot air rises, cold air descends, making wind. So yeah... it's not renewable once the sun burns out.

I got my "Check is in the mail" two days after I got my check. I was like.... no it's not... the check is in my bank account.