Drew Dowdell

Why not make cars lighter and put 300hp, ethanol burning, turbo 4-cylinders in them?

Pontiac is just dead. Buy your G8s and G8 STs while you can. They will be the last Pontiacs.

Actually, it looks like a mini-Vibe, which may not be such a bad thing.

The asians are already ending their oil subsidies....

Because GM got one <and only one> Epsilon good enough that it is now being compared favorably to the Camry and Accord and miles ahead of the Altima. So now GM is splooging all over itself to make more FWD appliance vehicles <though the 'bu does have character for an appliance>, while forgetting that it can continue to make appliances while still producing cars that the rest of us want.

To be fair, the Versailles was more of a response to the 1975 Seville than it was to the Cimerron.

What does a V8 have anything to do with it? There are 3 engines, at least, that could have worked suitably in just about any Zeta and still provided excellent economy. The 2.9 litre diesel should be offered. The two-mode should be offered. There is the BAS-II Turbo Ecotec with power curves damn near identical to today's HF3.6. No, V8 is just the excuse.... someone has it in for the ZETA.

depends on the neighborhood I'd imagine....

What if Alpha is able to be stretched and then you end up with a Zeta sized car with less weight?

Will you marry me? I'm sure our respective partners won't mind.

Hybrid mule perhaps? Don't hybrids require different cooling?

Who said the car has to be smaller?.... this would be a great base engine for a Zeta.

I still think there is some water left in the glass, but after a few of this week's announcements, I think GM is going to squander them away. Up until this week, I had hope. Now I think GM is headed more toward Chrysler's direction than Ford's. The sales of the Lambda are going to hit the buffers. Traverse will get here just in time to make one of the biggest belly flops the market has seen in a long time. A great product at the worst possible time. GM shouldn't even bother unless the two-mode is available at launch and in substantial quantities. I take issue with GM's apparent inability to see past the end of their V6es. Killing a large car because current mentalities require it to be V6 powered is shortsighted, especially with things like the Turbo-Ecotec-BASII waiting in the wings. The Malibu is a great effort but at least from where I sit, much of the advertising has stopped. Delta II needed to be here in January, but now it seems GM doesn't have the funding to do a pull ahead stunt like they did with the GMT-900s. So yeah, there is still some water in the glass, but I guess we'll have to see what GM does with it.

No no! You're all wrong! This is CLEARLY the Blue Devil mule! GM, if this is what you're planning for a refresh of the G6, let me sum up every car reviewer's article right now:X

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This has gone so far in circles it's become useless. Show me where I said I didn't want radical change at GM. I even posted my "manifesto" of some of the changes in hardware that GM needs to make. Now, right or wrong, I don't know. However it most certainly was not "more of the same". You have a beef with the board. Fine, fire them all. Personally, I think Wagoneer has been failing at his job for so long that he deserves to be fired. Look at all the changes Mulally has made over at Ford in such a short time. As I stated in another thread; GM has no excuse, none, zero. As far as my motivations for getting my CTS, you are right, those are my own. However, GM got a 24 year old who bought his first house a year prior, into it's newest Cadillac luxury sedan by giving him a loyalty rebate for his Cutlass and a conquest rebate for his Continental allowing him to afford the car he so desired. The same day I took delivery of my car, there was another guy around my age who took delivery of a silver CTS. What was your comment about "not even getting people into the showroom in the first place."? Before the CTS, when was the last time GM was pulling young guys into Cadillac showrooms? GM has a lot of work to do, I've never denied that. All I want is for you to give credit where it is due. You do nothing but &#036;h&#33; all over every good announcement to come from GM. Even in the announcement about the Volt premiering at Paris, you armed yourself with enough vagueness, "as long as it comes close to production with minimal changes", that you'll still be able to bash it once it's released. Just.. when a good announcement comes out... stop being an asshole. You can dance your "I told you so" dance in all the negative announcement threads. I'll leave it to you and PCS to figure out who leads and who follows. It's hard enough being a GM fan these days without you bashing everything that comes from the company.

If people like you are working at GM, then no wonder they are in the state they are in. I specifically said that I bought at that moment because of the deal because I would not have been able to afford the car at that moment otherwise. I also specifically said that the same deal offered to me by ANY of the other luxury manufacturers would NOT have sold the car. There is a huge difference between buying an entry lux car like the CTS and buying an appliance car like the Cobalt or Corolla. BEFORE YOU POST ANY OTHER RESPONSE, EXPLAIN WHY YOU CANNOT SEE THIS!

Interesting, the feds announce they are opening an investigation into speculative oil trading in both domestic and foreign <London> markets to look for price manipulation and oil suddenly drops $4 a barrel. Funny how that works.

Neato. You did exactly what I said and picked out one of the worst domestics to compare to one of the best imports. I mean really, the Venture was rivaled only by the Windstar/Freestar in domestic lameness. Aura, Malibu, Fusion, Sable, Taurus, Milan.... match the options up to their foreign rivals and the domestics will cost you less. Edge, Vue, Outlook, Acadia.... same thing

Why is it bad for me to try and get the best deal possible on the car I want? The difference is desire. I would have bought the car regardless but I found a way to save money in the process. If I had the opportunity to get the same deal on a C-Class or 3-series, I still would have picked the CTS because it was the car I wanted! Why is that so hard to understand? There were less expensive lease offers on the 3-series at the time and I passed them up to get the CTS. OMFG! I didn't say a Cobalt was better than the Corolla... or any other vehicle for that matter! I'm simply saying that feature for feature you pay less at any domestic dealer and that most times, over the life of the vehicle, you save money. Of course, your mileage may vary. "The deal" includes things like expected maintenance costs, expected gas costs, expected insurance costs. It costs more to insure a Civic or Corolla. Don't ask me why, I don't know. It's not just price + tax + tags. Hyundai/Kia

There it is! That's what I'm trying to say!

With your finger on the trigger I'm sure.....

I got an amazing deal on the CTS, however that was not my reasoning for buying it as you are trying to assume. I would have paid MSRP for the CTS if I had been able to afford it and if the dealer wasn't negotiating. I desired the CTS. No one desires a Cobalt or Corolla. I'm not sure where this part is coming from. I never said that people didn't look at safety or reliability or reputation before making a purchase. I specifically waited for the HF3.6 because I knew the 3.2 offered at launch was inadequate. GM did themselves a disservice by offering that engine at launch, but the 3.6 has been great enough that they've been forgiven for it. People buy Toyondas for two reasons: 1. Consumer Reports tells them to. 2. Their great aunt's, roomate's, lesbian lover had a used Chevy Vega that broke down two miles outside of the dealership in 1981. In nearly every case, feature v. feature, reliability v. reliability, price v. price, the domestics will offer a better deal than Toyondassan. However, most sheeple don't bother to do the research. Yes there are exceptions, but for the bulk of the lineups, this is true.

do you think we can get Enzl in here to say something nice about the Volt or GM?

Do something to fix the value of the dollar. That's how this will get fixed. If the dollar was on par with the Euro, oil would be $80 a barrel right now.