Drew Dowdell

But there is sustainable and unsustainable.... and Cleveland to Cincinnati in a little over 2 hours? They're 250 miles apart! Even at 90mph the whole way you're looking at nearly 3 hours. Furthermore, I'm saying that we need to change our lifestyles. Our lifestyles are what got us in this mess to begin with.

I've made a few trips, but still live in the U.S.

We're talking 5k or 6k a most here. I'm not going to get a 9-7x for that. Isn't the Atlas 6 more powerful than even the V8s in the Explorer/Mountaineer?

No one wanted to ride a passenger train that was forced to share the track with a 20mph coal train.... imagine that! If there was highspeed rail like they have in Germany that would get you from Cleveland to Pittsburgh in an hour, Cleveland to Columbus in an hour, Cleveland to Cincinatti in 2 hours, you think people would prefer to drive? No way man. Columbus to Indianapolis to Chicago would be about 4 hours. Here is the kicker. A true high speed line like the fastest French TGV could do the NYC to Chicago run in 3.5 hours or less. You cannot fly to chicago that quickly when you take into account the airport waits, taxiing, etc. Think about the amount of carbon jet engines deliver directly into the air.

Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you RoadmaSSter.

I've found a few already. I was looking at the Bravada over the TB/Envoy because it is more likely to have luxury features which I'll admit I'm a whore for. Additionally, it would likely have taken the biggest depreciation hit for 1. Being an Oldsmobile. 2. Being an orphan. I think all Bravadas came with AWD Smartrak

i guess the I should have stated the obvious and say that it should be a GM. No Chysler minivans for me. I prefer something with a working transmission

I'm really tired of not having a vehicle and driving the CRV (gag) on weekends. I want something cheap, and even though I'm not an SUV kinda guy, I need one for working on apartments. The CRV has served remarkably well in that role. I want something cheap because I don't want to spend much money before leaving for Germany (which seems to be eternally delayed). What about a final model Bravada? Anyone have any info on them?

It was posted on a Fiero forum..... that one is sure to start a flame war. ..... what? .. too soon?

ah, no it's roadrunner..... but I bet it's still shared hosting.

Looks like that site is hosted on Bluehost..... x2000

Where am I wrong?

Equinox - Basic Terrain - Mid-Lux Domestic Vue - Mid-Lux we'll pretend it's not a domestic since our neighbors/parents/colleagues/home owners association/MotorTrend would disapprove SRX - Lux

While I love debating you, you really need to familiarize yourself with logical fallacies. and how you damage your argument by using them. In this case you're using : Drawing an Affirmative Conclusion From a Negative Premise with a sprinkle of Begging the Question. I do not believe we've had a strong policy at all. Strong rhetoric, sure, but policy, no. A strong policy would have been not taking our eye off the ball in Afghanistan and finishing the job there. A strong policy would have been following the rules of our laws, the Constitution, and the Geneva Conventions. A strong policy would have been not torturing these suspects since now virtually all of their testimony is inadmissible in court. Had we followed our own laws, we would have been able to put these people on trial and most likely convict them and leave them locked up for life or executed.

I'm agreeing with you (I think). I think this is a terrible idea. If California wants stricter emissions laws, they can hire lobyiests or ya know, write their Senator, to have the EPA mandate the rules country wide. I doubt the democrats would have difficulty passing such a measure and Obama would sign it. One standard for the whole country.

veering back off course again....

Or... ya know.. the value of those assets changed.

Turbo charged, Direct injection, and BAS-II for all! Oh noooo! I can't find the chart now, but the Turbo-DI Ecotec with BAS-II had a better and flatter torque curve than the base 3.6VVT.

And my point is that we're already paying that. There wouldn't be additional costs for the consumers if it remained a two standard system like we have today.

Well you can't say that California emissions cars cost more than Federal emissions cars to the end user.... and that's what people are trying to say.

I guess you missed the news that Toyota will be posting a loss for 2008.

Cadillac CTS 1SB + Lux package + California Emissions = $38,446 CarsDirect.com Cadillac CTS 1SB + Lux package + Federal Emissions = $38,683 CarsDirect.com

We won.

Well that's good. I thought it had been canceled outright.

uhm... are they selling the Volt in Europe? If not, who cares if it's a rebadge?