Drew Dowdell

It was posted on a Fiero forum..... that one is sure to start a flame war. ..... what? .. too soon?

ah, no it's roadrunner..... but I bet it's still shared hosting.

Looks like that site is hosted on Bluehost..... x2000

Where am I wrong?

Equinox - Basic Terrain - Mid-Lux Domestic Vue - Mid-Lux we'll pretend it's not a domestic since our neighbors/parents/colleagues/home owners association/MotorTrend would disapprove SRX - Lux

While I love debating you, you really need to familiarize yourself with logical fallacies. and how you damage your argument by using them. In this case you're using : Drawing an Affirmative Conclusion From a Negative Premise with a sprinkle of Begging the Question. I do not believe we've had a strong policy at all. Strong rhetoric, sure, but policy, no. A strong policy would have been not taking our eye off the ball in Afghanistan and finishing the job there. A strong policy would have been following the rules of our laws, the Constitution, and the Geneva Conventions. A strong policy would have been not torturing these suspects since now virtually all of their testimony is inadmissible in court. Had we followed our own laws, we would have been able to put these people on trial and most likely convict them and leave them locked up for life or executed.

I'm agreeing with you (I think). I think this is a terrible idea. If California wants stricter emissions laws, they can hire lobyiests or ya know, write their Senator, to have the EPA mandate the rules country wide. I doubt the democrats would have difficulty passing such a measure and Obama would sign it. One standard for the whole country.

veering back off course again....

Or... ya know.. the value of those assets changed.

Turbo charged, Direct injection, and BAS-II for all! Oh noooo! I can't find the chart now, but the Turbo-DI Ecotec with BAS-II had a better and flatter torque curve than the base 3.6VVT.

And my point is that we're already paying that. There wouldn't be additional costs for the consumers if it remained a two standard system like we have today.

Well you can't say that California emissions cars cost more than Federal emissions cars to the end user.... and that's what people are trying to say.

I guess you missed the news that Toyota will be posting a loss for 2008.

Cadillac CTS 1SB + Lux package + California Emissions = $38,446 CarsDirect.com Cadillac CTS 1SB + Lux package + Federal Emissions = $38,683 CarsDirect.com

We won.

Well that's good. I thought it had been canceled outright.

uhm... are they selling the Volt in Europe? If not, who cares if it's a rebadge?

Yeah.... so funny. Don't say that Congress can't run a company..... Conrail (reporting mark CR), began operations on April 1, 1976 as a federally funded takeover of the major railroad companies in the Northeastern United States, all of which were financially failing.. Conrail began turning a profit by 1981, the result of the Staggers Act freedoms and its own managerial improvements under the leadership of L. Stanley Crane, who had been chief executive officer of the Southern Railway. With Conrail's increasing success, two eastern rail competitors of Conrail engaged in a takeover battle to control the railroad and expand their systems. In 1997, however, the two railroads, CSX Transportation and the Norfolk Southern Railway, struck a compromise agreement to jointly acquire Conrail and split most of its assets between them, with Norfolk Southern acquiring a larger portion of the Conrail network via a larger stock buyout. Under the final agreement approved by the Surface Transportation Board, Norfolk Southern acquired 58 percent of Conrail's assets, including roughly 6,000 Conrail route miles, and CSX received 42 percent of Conrail's assets, including about 3,600 route miles. In 1999 it was largely divided between Norfolk Southern Railway and CSX Transportation

Well... It's in a public place.... you don't mind my dirty little habit do you.... even if some of it gets on you?

Are you applying for an Admin/Moderator position? Right now we need all the traffic we can get and I've seen a few faces in this thread that we don't usually see around here. I'm ok with the debate that has been going on in here and I've spoken to some of the other people involved privately to make sure it doesn't get out of hand. Spirited debate is far more interesting than

You're probably referring to people who don't pay federal taxes. That is different from people who don't file. You aren't eligable for the tax break if you don't file, but you still may be eligible if you don't actually pay anything.

Yeah, it's not like Bank of America has only gotten $80 billion so far......

Dodgefan : GM4life Then 'splain it to me Lucy.

You can't keep the country safe without resorting to becoming a Nazi?

Agreed. I have no problem with increased fuel economy standards or emission standards. I just want one national standard.