Drew Dowdell

What's funny is that current predictions are that the economy will stabilize in the latter half of next year so it's highly likely that BO will get the credit for it.

It's a "two birds, one stone" problem. Even the most conservative estimates think that even if you put a drill bit in the ground tomorrow, the infrastructure wouldn't get that oil to market till 2012 at the soonest. But even once it's on the market it is still a non-renewable resource and does nothing to ween us off of using petroleum for transportation. However, if we put a shovel in the ground tomorrow to build an algae-ethanol processing plant, it too would come online around 2012 and would be completely renewable. It would also help to accelerate the drive to non-petroleum based fuel. Pass a law that states that by 2012, all new vehicles sold in the U.S. must be FlexFuel and that by 2016 all vehicles must be able to run pure alcohol with E85 as a backup fuel. Additionally, direct the EPA to certify conversion kits that will not violate emissions equipment laws. The OPEC states, seeing their biggest source of funding dry up, will start dropping prices rapidly in order to thwart the process. We can have Hallmark commission a giant "f@#k You OPEC" card and we can all sign it. Two time lines. Two paths...... one addresses the symptom... one addresses the problem.

I'm voting for Obama then promptly getting on an A330 for Frankfurt. I pushed my vacation back a day just so we could be here to vote.

fixed The key to energy independence isn't the stopping of importation... it's the stopping of energy being a finite resource.

Well... there's your guys answer for what will replace the Zeta platform...... it'll be the LX.

I'm starting to see some amazingly good deals out there. I haven't been in the stock market for a few years now. The last time I bought in was the bottom of the market crash just after 9-11. I took just a few hundred dollars and was able to turn it into a substantial down payment for my CTS. Highest on my list is CBRE At 70 cents a share, they seem like a great deal. They pay a dividend, they're small cap, and they have a tremendous upside once the real estate market returns.

Hey man. You broke the rules in a non-political thread AND politically attacked another member who happened to be a mod. What did you expect to happen? But you're starting to sound like Bush.... completely unable to admit when he is wrong.

If by "usually" you mean "hardly ever".... then yes.

Teehee

I assume you'll be publishing a prompt retraction? And Oh nooo! Biden said TV instead of Radio...... when it was clear Biden was talking about Roosevelt's Fireside chats.... way to miss the point over a minuscule and irrelevant detail

At this point, I'd think the disapproval rating congress has comes from not standing up to Bush and Co. The democrat's agenda will be substantially different with a democrat in the whitehouse....

Alternative Energy should be the main thrust..... Allowing drilling is fine, but shouldn't be a priority.

Damnit! If only I hadn't left my time machine out in the rain! DRILLING NOW WILL NOT HELP!

Pointing out far right idiocy maybe?

At that point I stopped reading. The rest of the email should go like this:

Actually... as a preview to a thread I'm probably going to be making in a few days. We are very near the bottom. We'll have "dead cat bounce" till January 2. Stocks will probably rise again in the beginning of 2009 till the retail numbers come out... we'll have a short drop followed by growth again into the rest of 2009. Credit should start to thaw around March 2009 with home and car sales picking up shortly after.

I'm not saying we shouldn't drill... we should. However, the point of this post is that a campaign platform that is based on the phrase of "Drill baby drill!" is completely foolish. We should be focusing on getting away from oil and drilling only being something to get us by in the meantime.

If by "most of" you mean "2 out of 8 years".... then yes. I imagine by that standard, McCain will get "most of" the popular and electoral votes as well.

It's tied up in legislation to cure left handedness. Who says there needs to be a cure? No credible medical professional/scientist considers it a disease or disorder. Most of us don't want to be "cured". This is a completely different thread though and if you wish to discuss it more, I suggest you make a new thread.

Holy Crap! Wholesale gasoline is down to $1.86 a gallon!

From the first debate: Obama: Senator McCain mentioned Henry Kissinger, who's one of his advisers, who, along with five recent secretaries of state, just said that we should meet with Iran – guess what – without precondition. This is one of your own advisers. McCain rejected Obama's claim: McCain: By the way, my friend, Dr. Kissinger, who's been my friend for 35 years, would be interested to hear this conversation and Senator Obama's depiction of his -- of his positions on the issue. I've known him for 35 years.~~ ----------- ~~Kissinger Sept. 20: Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one utility of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East, of a stable Middle East, and our notion on nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it. And, therefore, I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we -- we know we're dealing with authentic... CNN's Frank Sesno: Put at a very high level right out of the box? Kissinger: Initially, yes. But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. source)

Favoring domestic drilling over alternative energy won't work because even if every last inch of public territory were open to drilling, it would add only .16 million barrels per day to the global oil supply and it wouldn't even come online till 2017 The world consumed 86 million barrels per day in 2007. In highly technical terms "drop in bucket". Money Quote:

That little tidbit warms the cockles of my heart.

Republican's haven't been fiscally conservative for at least 8 years. Not talking about it in public isn't an option... and doesn't get anywhere.

No. This thread is labeled "Political", that's why the thread will live. The thread you are referencing was in regards to a board function and a few members decided to turn it political. If you've got a problem with that take it up with an admin... any admin, in PM. I won't eat at McDonald's regardless... so.... edit: I didn't even see this thread till after the "political" label was added, otherwise I would have warned and closed it.