Drew Dowdell

I suspect that you are highly wrong.

Dumbass, this has been going on since long before the Patriot Act was a tickle in George Bush's scrotum. I've was pulled over for a sobriety check back in the 1990s set up just in front of my street.

Tell that to Duesenburg, Cord, Auburn, Avanti, Oldsmobile (had the best of each platform when it was killed), Maybach

Saturn - yes Saab - sell it Pontiac - no

I'm sorry Dave. I can't do that.

You caught me on saying majority rather than controlling. My fault. Dodge\Plymouth Colt, Colt Vista, Summit, Dodge Raider, Dodge Ram 50, Stealth,Conquest, Laser, Eclipse, Cloud coupes were a joint venture, mitsu supplied some of the engines for just about every k-car and cloud car. So... while not exactly half, it's way up there. I really don't think Mitsubishi would have survived as long as it has without the ability to sell it's engines and to co-develop some platforms. And you pwned me on Nummi. I did think that all 3 were built there. Would seem logical to build the Matrix next to the Vibe, no? However, the overall point is still valid. The domestics and imports are so intertwined that the fall of GM... or any of the Detroit three... would severely damage the rest if not to the point of total collapse.

To GM's corporate culture, The only constant in all of your failed relationships is you. With love, Oldsmoboi

Well this would certainly be a unique addition to the limo fleet. We could totally corner the visiting Soviet dignitary market!

You seriously think the 300C, Charger (the actual Impala competitor), Avalon, and Maxima get crosshoped?

Because not everyone is a brand humping snob like you? I find it funny that you're a guy that paid for an Oldsmobile with a 35k base price when you could have purchased so many other "more worthy" vehicles. People paid 35k - 40k for Auroras, Park Aves, and Bonnevilles. The G8 interior is fine.

Slingkitteh

QUOTE (SingleStylish @ Oct 6 2005, 11:56 AM) Better yet lets say it like it does in the Constitution itself: "...one nation, under our creator, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Lest we forget our forefathers and the consitution acknowledge the presence and importance of God. If not we would use an American calendar and a judeo-christian callendar. Lord knows, everything else in this country must be specially made to fit ALL people... It says no such thing in the Constitution.

The BMW 335i Coupe is slower around the track than a 2004 Subaru Impreza. BMW is obviously beyond salvageable. I've already warned you once about trolling. Keep it up.

You forgot to mention how BMW can have similar output from less displacement while ignoring the dual overhead cams and turbo charger strapped to the side.

I'm waiting for SMK to come in here and start trolling.

From Jalopnick Like seemingly every other GM product to be launched in the last year, the Pontiac G8 GXP’s handling was tuned on the Nurburgring. There, while being driven by development engineers (and not a professional race driver), it set a ring time of 8:30. That sounds pretty good, especially given the badge the G8 GXP wears on its nose and its price: expected to be just under $40,000 including gas guzzler tax and destination fee. But how good is it? In comparison, the E60 BMW M5’s record lap is 8:13. That car starts at $85,100 and betters the G8 GXP by 92 HP. The Porsche Boxster S is two seconds slower than the G8, despite weighing over 800 Lbs less and retailing for $15,700 more. So basically, the G8 GXP gives you the performance of a Porsche Boxster S and the practicality of an M5 with the price tag of a Pontiac. If you haven’t already, make sure you check out our Pontiac G8 GXP First Drive.

Why reinvent the wheel? I just go to Fat Tommy's across from my office and get a number 1 with pepperoni.

Rick And Alan Not Getting On The Bus From The Truth About Cars The planned cavalcade of chrome fuel-efficient American vehicles from Detroit to DC is “a great idea,” according to GM spokesfolks, but neither the General nor Ford will officially participate in the stunt. Suppliers, dealers and the UAW will make up the bulk of the spectacle, although there’s still a chance that Chrysler’s Bob Nardelli could join in the fun. “The whole grassroots caravan to Washington, D.C., effort we think is a great idea,” said GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson. “It’s just not something we are in a position to sponsor or manage.” You know, like everything else. “As for our mode of transport, it can be safely assumed it will not be by company plane,” Wilkinson said. “For security reasons, we don’t normally comment on transportation of our senior executives. As the date for the hearings gets close, we may provide more details.” And we’ll be waiting with bated breath. The march on Washington is being organized by Dura CEO and Chairman Tim Leuliette, although the Freep gives a hat tip to Automotive News scribe Jason Vines for kinda, sorta coming up with the idea in a column published last Friday. PR man Vines’ advice? Organize the event on the internet and “arm everyone with a short list of facts so they can speak intelligently on camera, as too-often-lazy TV journalists like to find the fattest, dumbest protesters and get them to say something stupid or offensive on camera.” Is this why Red Ink Rick is being kept away?

Please don't agree with me, I have a reputation to keep around here.

He probably used to work for White Oak Chrysler/Jeep/Kia where the salesman told me on a test drive that the 300M was designed by Mercedes Benz and that it had a supercharged V6. I apparently had not perfected my "Just shut up!" face because he kept talking. This was before the 300c even existed.

When did Mazda start rebadging Peugots?

On of the largest political bloggers out there, Andrew Sullivan, posted this article from Peter Klein: Insinuating that if the domestic 3 were to fall, and they should fall, the transplants could pick up the slack. Yesterday afternoon I wrote a rebuttal to the piece and Andrew Sullivan posted it: Andrew Sullivan's blog gets an average of 200k hits per day. I've written many rebuttals to his posts, but this is the first time he has posted one of mine.

Give me a second to run a query to collect all of SMK's posts..... if the board goes down, that's probably why.

Right now? As good as dead. In the non-enthusiast's eyes, Pontiac has all the brand cache of Hyundai but without the long warranty.