Drew Dowdell

The government didn't tell GM to ditch Pontiac. GM's own viability plan... wasn't. It projected losses out to 2014 at least! ANY BANK...or any one with opposable thumbs and a pulse would have declined GM's loan application with that viability plan. OBAMA DID NOT KILL PONTIAC!

Yet another victim of the $h!ty ass logic flu.....

We appear to have $h!ty ass logic flu rapidly spreading around Cheers and Gears. How will GM EVER get better if you won't buy their product!?

That the government gets all this attention from the tinfoil hat brigade for anything they ever do, amazes me. Those same fuel economy regs will hit BMW, Audi and Nissan too. If Cadillac can no longer build a CTS, then the 3-series will have passed on also. The 370Z will be pushing up the daisies right next to the Camaro. The Tundra, F-150, and Silverado will together all rip down the curtain and join the choir invisible! There were NO national banks that were healthy. NONE. About the only organizations that are (relatively) healthy are the credit unions. If the government had done nothing, we'd be a GM historical site and nothing more.

Impala is still selling decent retail... so what if it also goes to police fleets.

apparently, so do C&G users...

Should be resolved. The server we're on had a drive failure over the weekend.

yes

We're not in a free market and haven't been in one for over 100 years. If the government had said that 30 years ago, there'd be no Chrysler, Plymouth, Dodge, or Jeep. All of you anti-government people really need to put down your Reagen tribute books (because he's the one who made it cool to vilify government) and get over yourselves. Government is NOT the root of all evil. It is not the end of GM. We're not going to be all driving Eco-Trabants. I hope you like your Audi's and Porches built by a company PARTIALLY OWNED BY THE GERMAN STATE OF LOWER SAXONY! France owns about 15% of Renault who owns 49% of Nissan. You people need a hard slap in the face and calm the f@#k down. Edit: This is one of those times I wish I wasn't a mod and we didn't have politics rules so I could really kick the crap out of you people on here. This was a nice, yet unnecessary, tribute thread, ruined by idiot politics.

How would 5k fetch a decent Jetta when not even 20k can...

They are charging out the ASS for Camaro rentals. They've made it part of their Premium collection. FWIW, I've seen Vettes, CTSes, Nissan 350zs, Solstices, Infiniti FX35s, M35s, 3-series, 5-series all available in the Premium collections. Not bad company.

My understanding is May 31st.

3800 S/C powered Impala SS

LSS or older Impala SS

Gotta be. Either that or a Regal GS.

+1 Additionally, even though the G8 wasn't released at the same time as the Commodore, they still had the inclination that it would be sold in the U.S.

Arguably, the only current vehicle that comes close to being a "true" Pontiac would be the Solstice, but even then it uses the corporate Ecotec, the same transmissions as the CTS, the CTS rear end....

You think the federalizing of the largest railroad in the US wasn't highly politicized? The move allowed Conrail to abandon unprofitable lines.... lines that run through congressional districts. The Penn Central was formed from the Pennsylvania Railroad and New York Central railroad. These two behemoths had been in direct competition for well over 100 years. When they merged there was instantly duplicated capacity. The Penn Central was never able to fully merge the two systems. As such the whole network suffered. The Penn Central was considered a run down and out of date. Millions of pensions were at stake when the railroads collapsed. There was a lot of heated debate because we helped France rebuild her rail network after WWII yet we allowed our rail network to fail. It was just a different era... it wasn't less politicized.

you need to post pics of the damage

Here's why I don't mind the UAW owning a large portion of GM. My Great-Grandfather pioneered the idea on a large scale.

Conrail was primarily the Penn Central Railroad that went bankrupt and was taken over by Congress <Conrail is sometimes referred to as Congressional Rail>. It returned to profitability in about 10 years and eventually became the most powerful carrier in the eastern US until it was privatized and sold off in about equal share to the Norfolk Southern and CSX. It's relevant because people keep saying that GM being taken over by the government lead to certain disaster. Conrail is an example of that being untrue. Every time someone posts that the government taking over GM will lead to certain disaster, I will post the Conrail logo. Sure it's annoying, but maybe some people will learn something and expand their minds.

typecasting.

Your comment that the consolidated approach worked for Leyland (which it obviously didn't)... and you're not the first person to may the BL reference. Merging GM and Chrysler would be like tying the Lusitania to the Titanic to prevent sinking. Now you just have one really big ship with two really big holes.

Holy Crap could we get off the British Leyland references already?! How many of you would pick a 1960s or 1970s British marque over a 1960s or 1970s domestic marque for reliability? styling? performance? The British cars from that era were ugly, performed badly, and had reliability that would make a Vega look like a 1998 Camry. Many GM and some Chrysler vehicles are at the top of their game. At worst, they are average in their respective segments. Even Sebring, though not a great car, isn't a bad car. The situation is NOT the same.