Drew Dowdell

When I hear the word Accord. The first non-Honda thing I think of is "peace accord" like the Camp David Accords...... truces/agreements/compromises.

Name: Michael C. Hometown: Long Island, NY Our second Michael has trained at Skip Barber. At just 21 years old, Michael is the younger driver in the Challenge. He owns a BMW M3.

Carbiz is right on this one. GM made some blunders for sure, but even the good things they did were spun around as huge mistakes. When I read a review about a BMW 3-series, why don't they lead off with a mention of the tin can BMW 2002 or Isetta like nearly EVERY FREAKING CTS review leads off with a reference to the Cimmiron. It took Consumer Report 5 years after Toyota engines started sludging and Toyota automatic transmissions started missing gears before they stopped inflating Toyota's ratings with "prior model reliability". There was virtually zero coverage on the Tundra exploding camshafts, cracking tailgates, and rusting frames, yet a GM recall to tighten SUV seatbelt tensioners gets front page news. Even today, I'm having a fight with the guy from Kicking Tires who is claiming that Cadillac lost the CTS-V challenge even though 6 of the 7 top times were in CTS-Vs because one M3-manual transmission driver in his 20s beat Bob Lutz in his automatic CTS-V.

Damn. I'm getting into a fight with the guy from KickingTires. He's saying that Cadillac lost because Lutz didn't post a faster time than the M3 driver.

Cadillac Wins the CTS-V Challenge! Discussion: CTS-V Challenge at Monticello

CTS-V wins. And 6 of top 7 are CTS-Vs.

And that's productive... how? Falling sales will reduce revenue further and likely lead to the liquidation of the company.

Top lap time for the thrid round goes to Aaron L in the CTS-V at 02:48:902

Third lap for Bob Lutz is 02:56:732

First lap for Bob Lutz in the CTS-V is a hot 02:58:072. Beats Wes Siler's best by 10 seconds.

First Lap for Aron L. CTS-V 02:48:902.

You're doing great at being the opposition. When you "don't care" that's when you shouldn't bother.

then why bother posting about it? save your wrist energy for other things

Best lap times in the first heat: Michael C. driving a BMW M3 with a best lap of 2:50:424. Jack Baruth in CTS-V put up best lap of 2:51:153 and Archan B. in Jaguar XF-R ran a 3:15.670.

Second lap for Chris F. in the CTS-V 03:14:292

I've bought many set of tires from Tirerack and I've been very happy with them. I've never had to warranty out a tire through them so I can't answer you there.

and you're trying to poop all over any good news that comes out. Would you rather have GM's marketshare go to 15% from 19.1%? It's a move in the right direction.

I don't think Chevy is being maliciously negative... I think it's just a zinger meant to make you chuckle.

Have at it then

This won't take long to get moved into Politics..... Edmunds, how do you know that those sales "that would have happened anyway" sold the original car the customer was shopping for? If someone looking to trade in an old Explorer was out shopping for another Explorer, but the government incentive got them to buy an Escape or Escape Hybrid instead... then the program worked and your formula is wrong.

GM is going to increase market share this month without Pontiac, Hummer, Saab, and Saturn.

@Cadillac: The challenge is on! Jack baruth, archan b, and Michael c are on track

GM Sees First Monthly Sales Increase in 21 Months For the first time in 21 months, General Motors is on track to see its first monthly sales increase compared to the same time period a year ago, the company said today. While official results will be announced next week, all signs point to a good month, according to Mike DiGiovanni, GM's executive director of global market and industry analysis. "We're really having a good October," he said. DiGiovanni added that about 95% of the sales for the month are coming from the company's four core U.S. brands — Chevrolet, Buick, GMC and Cadillac. A year ago, those brands comprised about 85% of the company's sales. Discussion: GM Sees First Monthly Sales Increase in 21 Months

CTS-V Challenge about to start! Discussion: Bob Lutz's CTS-V Challenge

CTS-V Challenge about to start!