Drew Dowdell

Which someone shopping at a G90 price point would never look at.

Since 1923.... with a short pause in the mid-1940s. Ooof... I was looking at the Wiki page for the BMW motorcycle engines and I think I need to sign up and make some corrections. There's a bunch of inaccuracies and unclear statements.

BMW Boxer engines are the diesels of the motorcycle world. Properly maintained, 200k+ isn't unheard of. It's one of the reasons I went with these.

The BYD Han interior does look really good. Shame the outside looks like a 2-generations-ago Civic.

No one cares about that amount of horsepower in this class. These are chauffeur driven vehicles. Up until electrics came around, most were trundling around with 2.0T 4-cylinders or diesels. While Genesis is still relatively new to us in the the U.S., they've made such strides on interior quality that I'd put them up against MB dollar for dollar. The nicest of the Chinese EVs sedans, the NIO ET7 is a pretty good looking car though I kinda think it looks like a Model-3 had it's way with a Buick Envista. It would do really well in the US up against the Teslas, but it is still not playing in the luxury ballpark with Genesis (or Benz or Audi) when it comes to design and materials. Low end EQE Sedan rival? Sure. G90 rival? No.

You’re thinking in purely North American terms. China and Middle East still have decent sedan sales. It costs Genesis next to nothing to put a couple of these on a boat to the US with some GV80s. The boat is already headed that direction anyway. As for coupes and convertibles, these are just concepts for now, but as platform flexibility increases with the move to EV, I think we will see he return of lower volume body styles like these.

Well kids, today's lesson is: Just buy the effing tool you need. Last weekend I took the R1100RS out on the longest ride I've been on with it. A total of 5 hours of wandering. Even with 109k miles on it, this bike just loves to chew up highway. The engine runs superbly. I was really trying to burn off gas that's been in the tank a little long for comfort, but even with 5 hours of riding, I have more than half a tank left! No issues on the trip except I noticed that the right fork was leaking oil. These are telelever forks that don't actually have any suspension components in them. The shock and spring are mounted on a cantilever platform between the forks. Essentially, all the forks do is slide up and down and keep the wheel aligned. When I got back from the trip, I ordered a set of fork seals and picked up fork oil. Watched a few videos on the process and decided I was set. ALL of the videos suggested that I could get the oil seal out with a flat head screwdriver. Both my Haynes manual and the BMW service manual I have said to use an oil seal remover tool. You can see where this is going. I effed with that oil seal for a good hour with a flat head, some long needle nose pliers, even some plastic bodywork tools I have before I gave up and drove to Harbor Freight. Harbor Freight has an Oil Seal Removal tool for $7.99. I got that and a few other things that I decided I might need to try also. Got home and with the tool I had the oil seal out in 15 seconds. . I replaced the seals, topped it off with some fresh fork oil, and had it back together faster than the time I spent just trying to get the damn seal out. So, moral of the story is: Just buy the damn tool.

My main question is if they improved the center console. I really like the Ioniq 6, but the center console of the interior was such a huge miss in terms of material quality and construction that it killed the car for me. It was odd that given the level of quality in the rest of the interior that one of the most touched items in the car outside of the steering wheel was an obvious afterthought to the design team.

Genesis wants soooo bad to be seen as European.... but yes, these are incredibly sexy.

April 1st. The 1 day each year that we are reminded of what we are the other 364.

One of the best scenes in all of television. Everyone should watch it and remember the moral at the end.

Knock it off those who know who they are.

First doesn't matter. The technology getting here in a mass market fashion does. We are now at a point where there are enough charging stations for people to reliably traverse most of the populated US without charging worries. The current hiccup is the charging speed. Once solid state batteries are here, it's game over for ICE because the wait time argument is gone, especially if most of the current 250kw - 350kw infrastructure will support 7 minute charges to 80%.

Ich verstehe dich nicht.

Well..... no. BYD's battery tech has limitations with distribution. Getting 1000kWh charging is difficult anywhere, especially here in North America where we are built out for 110v service. Functionally, the BYD batteries don't change the equation because most people don't charge at public chargers AND because getting 1000kWh chargers is going to be a big lift. Heck, getting 350kWh chargers is often asking a lot. That said, if BYD comes to the US, they will be right on par with Porsche / Hyundai / Kia / Genesis for having the fastest charging cars on the fastest chargers we have available. The real breakthrough will be if Toyota can make their solid-state batteries work because they accept a charge faster than the existing technology while using the same existing charging infrastructure. Where an EValanche might have a peak charge rate of 350kWh, the charge curve starts and ends much lower than that, which lengthens total charge time. With solid state batteries, the charge curve is more like a flat line. You start at 350kw (or whatever the rating) and you end at 350kw. That's what makes charging solid-state batteries so much faster even if you're using the same DC fast charger. If Toyota can really make it work, they can 1-Up BYD by simply saying, "Well ours don't need special chargers to get that charging speed"

But on the topic of politics. I have a tariff story I want to work on that is bound to get hyper political about how the tariffs are about to kill off one whole segment of cars. Do we think we can handle it without getting nasty with each other?

Optiq better than GV60? Possibly, but the GV60 has been out several years now and has a refresh coming. I'd place their interior quality on par with each other. The GV60 is remarkably good and it's a shame it doesn't get more attention. The Genesis charges faster, the Cadillac has a longer range. Lyriq better than GV70EV? GV70 has a far far far better interior. Lyriq has a better range, but GV70 charges twice as fast, faster than a Tesla on a Tesla charger and at max speed on GM's own 350kw chargers. Genesis also doesn't force you into not using CarPlay. I think the win is the GV70. ?????? better than G80 EV? Cadillac doesn't even make an EV sedan.... or even an ICE sedan in this size class. Genesis wins by default. 282 mile range plus the highest speed charging outside of Porsche. Vistiq better than ????? Cadillac wins by default here, however we already know the GV90 is on the way. The Vistiq does have an excellent looking interior in photos, but I want to see it in person before I judge. All the GV90EV needs to do is match the top end GV80 to remain in the competition. Plus, GV90 will have CarPlay, giving it the edge. Escalade IQ better than ???? Cadillac wins by default here because Genesis is unlikely to play in this size class. Seems pretty evenly matched to me.

In this latest war with Canada (we'd been bros since like 1813), this American is taking the Canadian's side. That's all I've got to say on it.

You're speaking of collision parts. I'm just talking about doing brakes and oil. The S-Class (like most high-end German luxury from any brand) has some pretty crazy service items. Audi is definitely worse in this department for any V engine. The G90 doesn't run the 2.0 or 2.4. The 3.5 and 3.8 have been around a few years now and seem to be serving just fine. While what you're saying is true for Hyundai, it seems to be significantly less true for Genesis.

The LS feels too small inside. The G90 would probably make excellent an excellent Black-Car service car without having to pay the Mercedes S-Class maintenance tax. A G90 runs $40k cheaper than a comparatively equipped S-Class. While I do think the S-Class has a nicer interior, I think the G90 is better looking outside.

Oh I LOVE to engage in politics and talk politics. It is difficult for me to follow my own rule here. But there are other places on the internet for that and I would rather we keep this a friendly place. Politics can, especially of late, ruin relationships and friendships. I've left car clubs over politics and the general bad behavior associated with older white straight men of a particular political party. For a time, I considered shutting down C&G because every thread devolved into an "I love EVs"/"You're a dumb liberal if you do" fight and it really killed my love for this hobby. It has been difficult for me to return to it.

Agreed. If I was a bond villain, I'd go with the all-black. But I prefer brown or other colors.

Genesis is on my list, specifically the GV60. The EV GV 70 also seems to lease well. We went to the Pittsburgh Auto Show last month (ewww, public days, I had to mingle with peasants) but oddly, the Korean trio brought very few EVs. Only the EV9 was there. He did like the look of that one, but the ZDX is more his size. I wanted him to look at the EV6 and the Ioniq 6, but neither were there.