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Or the grill......

Hahaha I still kinda hate it. I just can't get over the profile I guess..?

Never seen Toyota included as an American automaker before. Why can't Chrysler base a luxury car on the Charger concept of 1999? It was a sleek looking package IMO...

Well, I can't say I have much seat time in an HHR, so I can't comment there. The PTCruiser seems more to me like a cheap people mover, the HHR reminds me more of a little station wagon, destined to be a "parts chaser"..?

Did you not read this?

Yup, Mustang vs GTO would have been a way better test IMO. I honestly didn't know how good the sedans were until I read that comparo, never really heard of the Caddy/SRT8 much until that test came out and internet links started popping up...I still think the LACK of image was the only thing the GTO had against it. Well I know the LX guys tested all the various CAIs they could get their hands on, and I think the AirHammer was the only TRUE power maker. The K&N listed their CAI as "21.09 horsepower" and I think the increase wasn't much at all, if any. Tuners are a different story altogether.. Couldn't agree more, which is why I said "claimed". My buddy's 300 was stock, no tuner (not available even!) and he had stock tires and rims, he went 12.93 @ 107.75mph. A 12.56- while not "impossible", is considerably quicker, and hard to explain IMO. Times as close as 13.2 vs 13.3 would be a toss up IMO as far as the cars go. Either car could win or lose for a variety of factors like you say. I drove my buddy's 300 SRT8 and it felt very quick for a new car, let alone a 4 door sedan. I've yet to ride in a NEW style GTO, rode and driven in lots of the originals, from 1964 to early 70's. I think the new version has the PERFORMANCE covered, it can probably do better in almost every area performance-wise than the original, if only they had a better marketing in the US, who knows..? The new GTO could have easily been competitive with the Mustang if done right marketing-wise, but now we'll never know..?

Well the INTERIOR of the original Hummer wasn't very "user friendly" in a family sort of way... The Imperial woulda been more useful, but in a time of gas prices scaring people into small cars it woulda been sitting on the lots more than UNuseful? Have you ever seen the Super88 Chrysler concept, or whatever it was called? It was another concept that was a little "out to lunch"... :AH-HA_wink:

Question away!

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Won't deny the GTO is great bang for the buck, it is. The GTO isn't a family sedan though, I have no idea why they tested it against the SRT8 and the Cadillac. Same scenario for the Chrysler/Dodge LX cars. DiabloSport has a tuner coming out, 20hp right across the rpm range, according to their dyno tests... There is a guy who I believe ALSO owned a GTO, maybe I'm wrong... on the LS1.com forums. His stock Chrysler 300 SRT8 went 12.56, or so he claimed. Does anybody here post on the LS1.com forums?

Huh? That's a MAGAZINE test. Nothing I saw at the track...?????

OK. I'll try it....... Danged close, the PT is indeed a little smoother.... but still?

Well thanks for that! You would do well as a professor! LOL So, what do you think of the new Mustang? Again? Respect? Hahaha E-A-R-N it. Problem with kids nowadays- they all think they are OWED respect, without ever EARNING anything. I'm willing to bet I can understand the definition of "sarcasm" better than you can attempt to display sarcasm...?

Sure it does. They talk out their REARS with no apparent knowledge. But aside from THAT..... LOL

I think we all have it figured out, you're still in the "word up dude" phase of your life. BOOYAH!!!!!!!!! lol

A "GRAND AM"??!?!!?! LOL

Somebody should post a side by side of that Imperial and the Chrysler Aspen....

Hahaha 19 years old, and it doesn't show at all! HONEST!

Let me ask you something, straight up- Do those numbers surprise you? I'll tell you what, they sure surprised ME! I couldn't believe it, not just acceleration, but handling, slalom, braking, you name it. Once again- apples and oranges, but the comparison is a two seat "sports car" (muscle car? sports touring?) against a large 4 door sedan. I find the comparison outstanding myself, I was shocked. I've since driven a good friend's Chrysler 300 SRT8 and it set me on my ear. Lots of power, good handling, great braking, it's not what I was expecting. AT ALL. The GTO would have still been alive today if it were a true reincarnation of the original- STYLE, and image, that's what was missing IMO. Great car, but the Holden it was derived from was a better package IMO as far as styling and image goes. The "new" GTO was hard to beat as far as "bang for the buck", I know many people who bought them for a song- brand new, but a year old....

Any car built as an "entry level" car can be considered "crap" can it not? Is your Millenia something truly outstanding? LOL It's cheap "bang for the buck" performance. It doesn't PRETEND to be a luxury car. Simple as that. I would say "credibility" is MY EYES WATCHING AT THE TRACK alot more than what YOU read in a magazine. I've seen many high 13/low 14 second SRT4s at the track. I suggest you go to the track and watch yourself. It's worth it if only it opens your eyes up A LITTLE. Can't hurt anything...? Comparing a COMPACT that runs close to the times of an SRT8 is great. Unless you have 4 passengers and luggage of course. LOL!!!!! It's an "apples and oranges" scenario you point to. I don't mind Subies, I H-A-T-E the sound of the horizontal engine, it's disgusting to me, but the cars aren't bad for what they are. They aren't street car "world beaters", they aren't "luxury cars", they are more a wanna be rallye car than anything else IMO. Some look ugly, some look bland, some not so bad. It's OPINION, and every car manufacturer has it's detractors and it's backers. What do you think of Ford's Mustang? Great styling (I know, lemme gues.... "plagarism" ) and awesome bang for the buck in my eyes. Let's have YOUR clinical dissection of a Mustang. LOL

Looks like an SUV from the front to me!

Isn't it the Z06 that has had so many problems with the tops delaminating and letting go into traffic? A little leak ain't that bad comparitively.... LOL I'm sure there will be a TSB on it down the road. Every new platform needs bugs worked out here and there.... if tops DO leak I wonder if there will be any extra warranty protection to those affected?

Hahaha Fix those SRT vehicles first. Somebody musta taken off the restrictor plates!!!!!! That Imperial isn't my cup-of-tea.

Golden Commando in the 1958 Fury was 350ci and had two 4bbl carbs, it was also available with fuel injection in 1958. 305 hp rating with the dual quads, 315hp rating with the fuel injection.

OMG! THAT is your MoPar trivia??? How about first 1hp per cubic inch for a domestic car- optional in the model line...? How about first 1hp per cubic inch for a domestic car standard for a model line....?