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"Poorly defined" divisions? How so? There is DODGE, less expensive and lower trim levels- leaning towards the performance in the top-end cars, and CHRYSLER, more creature comforts, cushier interiors, higher price tags for similar models.

5.7 in the R/T with the "Road and Track" package gets a 350hp rating now, I think the suitcase has been designed for better flow, as well as additional noise....

SRT8. Bad gas mileage. VERY fast. Lotsa money compared to a base car most likely destined for rentals, taxis, etc. R/T is an honest very low 14 second car, it can get close to 30mph putting on the highway. SXT is a 3.5 V6, not bad power at all, but not much better gas mileage than an MDS equipped 5.7 Hemi, and I'm not even sure it gets a better rating, truth be told. Somebody once said the R/T was rated at the same city mpg as the 3.5 V6, but the Hemi was rated 1 mpg better on the highway. You'll have to check, as I am not positive, but that's what I hear.

I don't know anything about the 2.7 to be honest, never even driven one. I've driven many 3.5 LX cars, they are actually decent power. I heard the cop car versions of the Dodge Charger with the 3.5 V6 could out accelerate the V8 Crown Vic cop cars it was being compared to. Sounds odd to me! What design flaws did the 2.7 have? Aside from dismal performance, of course.... :AH-HA_wink:

16 years doesn't mean much with EFI internal combustion engines. A 2.7 V6 that trounces a 3.3 V6 in power is nothing to sneeze at! I think the Dodge Caravan 3.3 that came out over a decade ago had way more power than the Buick's anemic 3.3, didn't it? j/k (sort of)

My buddy and his Dad HATED the bathtub cars when they came out, they refused to buy any for taxis for years, then finally gave in. They weren't in love with them, frequent repairs and maintenance costs drove them crazy. They liked the older "square" cars better, but were eventually forbidden from using them, their license required cars only a few years old.

Some of you guys must be diehard GM fans, or diehard big Chevy fans, or something! My buddy owned TONS of those mid 1980s full size Chevys, his Dad used them as cabs. I won't give my opinion on them, it wasn't a glowing memory. LOL!!!!!!! Diesel is cool as a rare option, but the 350 Olds gas engine based diesel was a nightmare. It was never thought of as a very good diesel, and for good reason. 105 horsepower and low revving didn't make for a screamin machine? Google search "350 diesel olds" or "gas diesel olds 350" or the like, take a look! I worked on many!

What is "nasty" about the dual climate control knobs? One knob for placement of airflow, one knob for temperature. One set for each side. Nasty? LOL What would you do DIFFERENT?>?!?! The radio controls are not only as simple as they get, they are the same basic layout as any other two knob car stereo. Again- what would you have done DIFFERENT? The steering wheel also has radio controls. I assume they are probably "nasty" too? :AH-HA_wink: LOL

I thought so. I've always liked Boras.

She would DEFINITELY look better in that car in his sig than a MAN would. Besides, in a Velita ANYBODY looks good. Comparatively.... :AH-HA_wink:

I lost four pounds, so I made us a picnic basket now that I AM your type- so we could go out on a date, but I ate the contents before I could contact you. Now I have to lose another four pounds, and try it again. It's gonna be GREAT!

I don't even see a Bradley GT at all, but I know the Monteverdi fairly well, for decades. First time I saw it I was reminded of a Maserati Bora, though I don't really know why. Overall shape I guess.

Thanks for the link. Never seen it!

"Pointlessly bashing" is usually a personal issue, not a VEHICLE issue... IMO anyways. I don't care what people say, usually there is an agenda behind the constant bashing. Those who bash other brands to feel better about their own brand, that kind of thing. There isn't a brand made I can't ACCURATELY bash, as well as accurately praise. They ALL have their good and bad, IMO. The blind either see all good, or all bad, for personal reasons.

YOU BUGGER!!!!!!! hahaha I honestly thought it would take longer to get a response. Good job Hudson!

You need to get off the dash and into the driver's seat too. The steering wheel controls are on the FACE of the steering wheel. LOL Anyways, for the others... *ahem* ^^ (Hey- BrewSwillis- how'd I do on the REAL concerns? Have you ever had a high speed "panic stop" and felt the rotors pulsate slightly?) Here's a photo for the doubters- the steering wheel controls are EASY to use. And on the FACE of the wheel.... Check out the "HUUGGGGEEE" space the top of the dash has too. LOL

Well lemme take these one by one. Poor outward visibility? How so, are you VERY short, or VERY tall? I found no troubles seeing out, despite having heard the "it's got a chopped roof" blindspot rumors.... Where do you ACTUALLY have trouble seeing? I'm assuming you've driven one.... "Poor control placement"? I find the controls AWESOME. No troubles whatsoever. Maybe you PREFER a different layout, but it ain't rocket science, and everything seems VERY well laid out. If you have issues with the steering wheel controls being "on the back of the wheel" then I suggest you get off the dash and sit in the front seat. LOL That's the side the steering wheel controls are on...? The cruise control is VERY easy to use, I was an "old school" guy and couldn't figure it out at first, once I read the manual I have nothing but praise. It's awesome. You "feel like you are driving a bathtub"? LOL Is that an "ergonomics issue", or a "personal issue"...? Hmmmm I suggest you stay away from late model Impala SSs and Caprice SSs. Dash surface "nearly as large as a dustbuster van"? I don't find it terribly large, and with a sloped windshield I have no idea what you think is better? Maybe an early Volkswagon Beetle with an upright windshield is more your speed? How about a Corvette's dash, or a late model Camaro/Firebird? Ever driven one? You must HATE their "ergonomics", they have laid back windshields and large dash surfaces... I'll give you a couple Magnum "issues" so it looks better (more realistic) for the next complaints.... Rear window-gets dirty, the design of the car was almost MADE to get the rear window dirty. Slight rotor shimmy at very high speeds under hard braking on the non-SRT cars. Pound the brake pedal at 100+mph and you'll think the rotors are slightly warped, next panic stop from highway speeds (60mph) will produce nothing. Odd. Factory stock Continental tires aren't the world's greatest, most R/T owners love the difference when they swap out the tires for other brands. There! You OWE me!!!!!!!! hahaha

Ghastly horrible cars of the past for 100 Alex...

WHAT "ergonomics issue"? Keep in mind I've driven one, and driven many LX cars.

The seats seem to be more like the SRT (or R/T with road and track package) with the side support- I've only driven an SRT8 so I'm not the world's most familiar with the 300C. I wonder why the exposed cupholders instead of the current covered cupholders, must be a reason?

Maybe it's exhaust manifolds for the chassis differences, or? The A body Barracuda 383 Magnums were down in power from the same year 383 Magnums in B bodies because of the exhaust manifolds needed to get them to fit. Could be the same scenario? Not really sure...

Not sure if you can all open the bmp file.... so....

OK. VERY early 1970's this car came out. What was available in it as far as the powertrain went? I read about this car when it first came out, and have never forgotten it as the first brand new car I truly thought was CrAzY.

True, but the 2.7 base engine still puts out more power than say.... a 1992 Buick Century's anemic but bigger 3.3 V6...? :AH-HA_wink: j/k Not many people look for the 2.7 base engine, they seem to gravitate towards the rental companies...

Wow, that's a heckuva fondle! Which car did you grope? Killer cars for sure, didn't the green one just sell at B-J for crazy money?