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  1. See....? To me, they are trying to answer the question that most import owners are NOT asking..... They don't care about a "high value" V6 in place of their import 4cylinders......just give them the Ecotec as the base engine....and the High Feature V6 as the option.... Let's just friggin' forget the pushrod engines for once!!!!!
  2. Jim, Delivering 126 units in a month is on average delivering 4+ units a DAY.....working an entire 30 day work-month. At that rate, you don't even have time to SELL cars, much less deliver them.....sounds no less than "order-taking" to me..... And YES....I've spent time in retail as well......selling on the floor, and as a Sales Manager at a high-volume (400+ units per month) BMW dealership....
  3. Speaking of LaCrosse, The wood's the most atrocious fake "wood" I've ever seen in ANY car. Check out the Cadillac/Escalade/New Photos thread to see how GM can do an excellent application of woodgrain trim (and I believe it's fake in the new Escalade.) Now, yes....I know the Cadillac is more "upscale" and more expensive, but it doesn't cost that much more to put a higher grade of woodgrain trim inside the vehicle. Hell, even the Lucerne has a nicer quality woodgrain trim. It's all about doing it RIGHT, Buick....
  4. Okay....I think it's HOT...! That interior looks to be the best interior GM has EVER done.....from a styling standpoint, fit-and-finish standpoint, switchgear standpoint.... I'm still debating over the actual gauge cluster though.....what happened to the "Bulgari" style gauges and script? AND the tacky column-mounted shifter STILL kills it for me...... <groan> Can't wait to see how they ride, drive, and handle.
  5. At least the VUE has a great engine......(albeit a Honda engine).....their 250hp V6.
  6. Hmmm.....I got into some of them and thought the exact opposite.....very tight and confining inside....far LESS interior room than the new 3-series....or a CTS....or a G35, etc. However, I do like the styling and powertrains.....but I'm one of the few that would never buy one because I want a manual transmission in my sports sedan and shouldn't have to settle in the lower-powered version just to get one. I'd get a 330i 6-speed, or a CTS 3.6L 6-speed, etc..... It's good.....but I don't see it unseating the 3-series.....
  7. Especially since Jill (how the EFF do you spell her last name?) from Saturn indicated that the pushrod 3.5L HV V6 would be standard..... We STILL haven't heard comfirmation as to IF any of the High-FEATURE engines will be offered...... Car will LOOK good however.....and have a nice interior....I'm betting....hoping....
  8. Thanks...I'm quite happy with it.....and am glad to have a little SUV with a bit of style versus the bland-mobiles out there....(Escape, CR-V, <old> RAV4.) The Equinox (in black) looked pretty good.....but in the end, I wanted the little bit of additional ruggedness with the "traditional" 4X4 system and skidplates. PLUS, being able to order the 6-speed was an added bonus.
  9. Thanks Future..... You know, GM needs to figure out WHY (in my case here in CA) the Corvette is no longer snickered at by the Porsche, Ferrari, and AMG-driving populace here in California....WHY it's actually now RESPECTED..... Also, GM needs to figure out WHY (in one case with a friend of mine) a consumer would trade in an Audi A6 2.7T Quattro on a new CTS...? .....and WHY do many "hollywood" industry types and other execs choose to tool around in a new Escalade with 22-inch "blings" when they could easily afford a Range Rover....? They've turned the corner in certain ways.....but now what Rick needs to do if figure out the answer to those WHYs above.....and transfer that philosophy to the numerous competent-yet-mainstream Cobalts, Malibus G6s, LaCrosses, and Saturns roaming the lands.
  10. REGARDLESS of whether you think it's "sad and hollow" or not.....it's a fact of life and GM needs to figure out WHY it's a fact-of-life......and it's not just a factor in CA either.... That's my point. AND YES.....GM now has some great cars......HHR, Corvette, CTS, Lucerne, G6.....but if the public still won't acknowledge those great products, you need to do a down-and-dirty look at WHY....WHY....WHY.
  11. Buickman, I'm wondering why you haven't responded to any of my posts? I've presented my opinions in regards to 1) your "Points", and 2) your (admittingly fine) sales performance in GM-dominated Michigan. You might be "ignoring" me.....but I thought you'd be up to the challenge. I was quite direct with many of my opinions and definitely WELCOME any sort of rebuttal...this (C&G) is a great forum for such a "debate!" .......<waiting patiently>.........
  12. No.....these steps were originally presented as "The Plan" to "Return GM to Greatness" through 20 steps. This wasn't a simple "marketing" plan.
  13. Gee.....what was your ratio of sales to GM employees, suppliers, and retirees to people not associated with GM at all? I bet it was about 85% to 15%. Hell, it could have been even HIGHER. It's a HELL of a lot easier to sell GM cars to GM-associated consumers in Flint and Detroit than it is just about anywhere else. You guys were almost nothing more than "order-takers." And YES I know your market oh so well.....I lived in the Flint area for 5 years, (worked at BUICK headquarters nonetheless, Mr. "Buick"man) and also lived in Oakland County (still working in Flint) for another 2 years after that. 7 years total....lived in the area....worked for GM/Buick in the area....I know the area. I'd so LOVE to see you come out to Orange County or L.A. and try to repeat your "performance" at a Buick dealership out here.... Or for that matter, go to New York, or Atlanta, or Dallas, or Phoenix, or Denver... I have nothing PERSONAL against you, Jim.....really.....I don't even know you.....but in regards to this highly-charged topic, you have NO clue what the "real" world is all about. Many of us on this site DON'T live in the midwest and are more than willing to give you a clue.
  14. I'll admit it was a great piece and every single one of Wagoner's points was true and well-made. However, what really disturbs me, is his lack of understanding (by HIS admittance) as to why the public doesn't gravitate towards GM's increasingly higher-quality products. Rick, more than ANYONE should have total and full understanding of that issue. Yes, it's perception. BUT....Rick.....WHY do so many consumers have the perception that GM just is not competitive in the design and execution of its products? How much time HAS Rick Wagoner spent actually living with and driving the competition? Has he ever driven a BMW 3-series with a manual transmission on a winding mountain road? NO....he gets driven in a Cadillac DTS to and from work every day......not to mention there are no "winding mountain roads" in southeastern Michigan. Does Rick know WHY people seem to like the blandly-styled, but smartly-executed Toyota and Lexus products seemingly flooding the marketplace? Has he ever gone on a business trip and rented a Toyota Camry LE 4cyl from Hertz to see why his Malibu is so far off the mark it's not even funny...? Probably not...I bet he gets shuttled to-and-fro on business trips... Has Rick ever spent a considerable amount of time in a market like L.A. to see how automobiles impact a Californian's lifestyle? Or why people that live here place such a high importance on brand and image, even contrary to actual quality and reliability? Or why there are more BMWs and Mercedes-Benzs sold here than anywhere else in the country......and there are LESS GM products sold here than anywhere else in the country? I bet he hasn't....... Has he EVER spent time in Marysville, OH, or Smyrna, TN, or Spartanburg, SC., to find out why the blue-collar residents in those communities are SO happy working for their companies (Honda, Nissan, BMW) and why they feel good about the contributions their companies are making to their local economies? And ALSO, why those blue-collar workings RESIST being organized by the UAW? I simply refuse to believe that Rick is so beyond this understanding. We may not like what's happening to GM, but if normal mortals like us can see it.....can understand it.....can pinpoint it......why can't he? Others in the industry understand it far better.....unfortunately most of those others work for import auto manufacturers and they are taking EVERY advantage to capitalize on it.....at Rick's expense.
  15. Also, people spending the kind of money for the GT-R will want the service experience that they will get at Infiniti dealerships compared to Nissan dealerships. I know that I am REALLY not looking forward to taking my Corvette into my local Chevy dealership for service. They are what you typically think of when you think of a "traditional" domestic dealership.....sales people all standing on the front patio, smoking.....poor attention to service detail (based upon when I had my Blazer) and lack of amenities/conveniences while you wait for service (compared to what you'd find at a BMW or Benz store.) I may be forced to find another Chevy store that's better.....but that means I'll have to travel alot further....which is another inconvenience in and of itself....
  16. Awwww.....I was just givin' you sh_t...... Hey.....do you guys need anyone on your staff from Southern California...? B)
  17. I understand your point. Of course we go to the mountains to ski in the winter. HOWEVER, most of us southern Californians don't LIVE winter-long up in the mountains to where we would be utilizing something like "heated windshield washer fluid" all that often so to us it's perhaps not really a big deal....and we'd rather hear about the Lucerne's new powertrain, or European feel, or roomy and attractive import-like interior. Those are more significant IMHO.
  18. I agree.....totally. The center stack and related controls are what also kill the G6 for me. I don't mind the soft-touch upper dash and door panel plastics on the Grand Prix. There's nothing wrong with THAT, in fact its quite nice....but the other plastics are hard, hollow, brittle, etc. Plus, everything seems so loosely assmebled (like the floor console.) Finally, I HAVE to mention styling.....and I think the GP is just way too cartoonish for my taste from the steering wheel, to the multiple round air vents, to the "TapShift" labeling (and it's TRADEMARKED.....talk about tacky.) It's not that much better than Bonneville (the ultimate in committee-think, cheesy, lack-of-real-world-reality interior design.) G6 is a much better realization of a sporty "Pontiac-style" interior for me.....but then again, even G6 is saddled with GM CSD.
  19. C&D did a comparo in Feb. '03, (still current generation Camry, Accord, Mazda6, etc.) and most of the cars had 4cyl engines mated to 5-speed trannys. The Accord 4cyl is a RUNNER......now I know autos will be slower, but C&D got 0-60 in 7.5secs for the Accord, 7.9secs for the Mazda6i, 8.3secs for Camry SE....all with 4-cylinders and 5-speed manual trannys. In fact, in C&D's 11-03 road test of the Malibu LT V6, they only achieved 7.9secs 0-60 for the V6/auto Malibu.....neck-and-neck with the 4cyl Mazda6i, and blown away by the 4cyl Accord EX from the comparo.
  20. Thank GOD they aren't still putting "4-Speed Automatic" on the back trunklids of Buicks..... OR, "ABS Anti-Lock-Brakes" around the center caps on Pontiac wheels...... AND, we don't have to look at CTSs and STSs with "Touring Suspension" emblazoned in the rear decklid. :lol:
  21. ......or get one WITHOUT..... iDrive is OPTIONAL (re: not standard) in the new 3-series
  22. Here you go.....I actually saved this......you'll find each of Buickman's "steps" followed by MHOs of his "steps." I may be no Evok, but at least this gives you something to ponder.....(sorry for the looooong post) This whole plan seems to be a Michigan-centric proposal that does next to nothing to really address the major challenges that GM faces….those challenges being over-capacity, excessive costs, lackluster product, and in many cases, a severly-ineffective dealer body. Not much of this plan seems relevant in the “real world” outside of Michigan or the Midwest, nor does it address the challenge of selling, marketing, and promoting GM vehicles to conquest buyers. GM’s problems are far larger than depicted in these twenty points. A RETURN TO GREATNESS Step One: When "The Return" is initially announced, we proclaim the elimination of Destination Charges. If you want to pay freight, get a foreign car. · First of all, GM needs revenue……and the destination charges are something that’s acceptable industry-wide. There is no reason to get rid of these charges as long as they are in line with other manufacturer’s charges. To do so will reduce one source of revenue for General Motors. Step Two: Ten days after the original announcement we release the next step, the elimination of mid-year price increases. · Customers neither care or probably realize that mid-year price increases actually take place. GM needs to build value in their products and if you build products that people actually want to buy, then occasional mid-year price adjustments won’t be a factor in GM’s success. Step Three: Announcement of simplified quarterly incentive changes. No more pressure to buy now, hurry before it ends, only to be followed by another program. · Simplified incentives are fine. However, you will ALWAYS have the situation where someone buys a car and the next day the incentive changes. This will happen whether the incentive is monthly OR quarterly. The very NATURE of the retail automotive industry, in fact ANY sales-oriented industry, is that there will be pressure to “buy now” as companies attempt to meet or exceed monthly, quarterly, or yearly objectives. Furthermore, customers will ALWAYS worry what the “deal” will be. It is in our very nature to negotiate. We do that on houses, and we do that on cars. This is NOT a GM-only fact of life. Furthermore, even if GM WERE to take this step and reduce the “urgency” of the sale, other auto competitors will NOT….and therefore, their existing sense of “urgency” will give them more powerful momentum. Step Four: Destination Detroit is move number four. In this announcement we explain our decision to bring all future award winning dealers and salespeople to Detroit as their reward for a job well done. · If you are trying to motivate dealers and salespeople, I’m sorry….but a trip to Detroit is NOT going to do it. Hometown pride is great and admirable but it’s a fact of life that Detroit is NOT a leisure or entertainment destination and trying to convince dealers and salespeople to work harder with “Detroit” as a reward will be fruitless at best. I like the idea about a trip to the proving grounds, but in this case, a trip to the Phoenix Proving Grounds would be much more enticing with all the attractions, spas, resorts, and golfing of the Phoenix/Scottsdale area. The expenses saved from executives NOT traveling for this meeting would be minimal and would not strongly impact GM’s bottom line. Step Five: Home Deliveries. We announce an effort of working with our dealers to bring the customer the vehicle of their choice, directly to their place of employment, or residence. · With every “docs-out” or “home” delivery you do, you take profit opportunities AWAY from the dealership, primarily in the finance department. Maybe home deliveries would be more popular in Michigan, where so many retail customers ARE GM employees….and for them, buying a car is not as big of a deal. In fact, when most GM employees buy multiple cars in a year, and work in the industry, they don’t “need” to take delivery at the dealership. This is most assuredly not the case in the rest of the country. Additionally, customers STILL need to come TO the dealership to shop and negotiate. And in many areas of the country, “spot” deliveries (where the customer takes the car home THAT day) are commonplace. Having a customer wait for a home delivery only reduces profit potential at the dealership AND gives the customer additional time to “rethink” their decision and back out of the deal. It happens. Step Six: We announce a very simple and easy to understand incentive...Got GM Get GM. It is a loyalty incentive that anyone can comprehend. If you currently own or lease a GM vehicle, you receive $1,000. It is stackable and compatible with any offering, transferable to family member at same address. No goofy rebate if you own a non-GM car. Who thought of that one anyway? Why reward disloyalty, or have to ask customers if they own a competitve product? Let's only give something to those who already support us. · A GM loyalty incentive is a good idea. However, you cannot stop offering incentives to owners of competing makes. GM cannot survive on its current owners, employees, and retirees for the purchase of GM cars. GM needs to gain market-share from owners of competing makes and one way to do that is to give them a reason to come into a GM dealership. Unfortunately, at this time, the GM product is NOT enough of a reason to entice these consumers. It may be someday, but not now. Incentives are here to stay and as long as GM remains REASONABLE with their incentives and rebates, that’s not a bad thing. Step Seven: Annual Model Change. · Once again, if GM does this, they will be at a severe competitive disadvantage. One of the reasons that vehicle introductions became staggered throughout the year, was to gain the “upper hand” against a competitor that was also bringing out a new and competing model. Back 50 years ago, when competition was much less, the Big Three were a mainstay of the U.S. retail auto industry, and all manufacturers introduced new cars in the fall timeframe, this was a great idea. The very nature of the industry now and the number of competitors makes this an unrealistic practice. GM may decide to wait until the fall to introduce their new models, but their competitors surely will not. The competition will be more successful in pulling consumers into their showrooms to sell them their newest products instead of consumers “waiting” until fall to see what GM has to offer. Step Eight: Increase Dealer Margin. · Realistically, any increase in margin will be followed by an increase in price. NOW, if GM products get to a strong enough point of acceptance in the marketplace, this increase in price should not be a big issue. They are NOT at this point of acceptance yet. Asking GM to increase margins without a corresponding increase in price is asking GM to give up revenue they desperately need right now. Step Nine: Get On The Street. Each month, each salary member of VSSM would be required to spend one day in a randomly selected dealership service department, preferably in write up. · All GM employees, (and employees at any manufacturer for that matter) should spend time working in a dealership to get a true feel for the retail environment. However, I don’t see this as being a big impact to the dealership’s productivity. It’s a good idea, but not a big enough impact to probably be included as one of the points in GM’s “Return To Greatness.” Step Ten: AARP. This is a fantastic demographic, and another opportunity to simplify incentives. Make it a year-round program. · AARP is a good program, and a good targeted marketing incentive. However, like above, the impact is likely to be way too small to add to GM’s “Return To Greatness.” AARP, in the overall scheme of things, is a highly-targeted demographic and a correspondingly small proportion of the car-buying public. This incentive would primarily be aimed at GM retirees or Buick consumers. This incentive would do next-to-nothing towards helping convince shoppers at BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Honda, Toyota, or Lexus stores to come into a GM dealership. Step Eleven: Brand Merchandise Offerings: Include with each delivery a coupon for $50 off, or towards, merchandise from an affinity catalog. · Good idea. You could target the brand merchandise offerings to match the individual GM divisional brand image. HOWEVER, once again, the impact from this promotion would do little to correct GM’s market share slide. GM’s problem today is WAY bigger than this. Step Twelve: Auto Shows. Instead of the current practice of giving rebates to certain residents of surrounding counties, let's offer auto show tickets to those who test drive our products. · Auto shows cost, $9, $10, $11 to get in. I don’t see this as making any impact. Auto show tickets alone aren’t going to bring new consumers into a GM dealership. Step Thirteen: At year end, instead of giving our employees a cash award for profit sharing, reward them with stock, and make them true partners in the company's success. · A nice idea, however, this does nothing to help fix the “core” problem at GM….and that’s the competitiveness of their products and the perception of GM products in the marketplace by those consumers that GM NEEDS to attract from the Japanese and European car shoppers. Step Fourteen: PEP Cars. Quite often, GM executives turn in their factory demos with the mileage just under the next price discount level. This practice is both frustrating and annoying. The inconsideration shown to fellow employees, and retirees, is inexcusable and unacceptable. GM needs to announce a policy of driving the unit to the next mileage category whenever the driver is within say 250 miles of the next price break. · No impact from this point. GM PEP cars are a phenomenon that only merits any importance from people living in Michigan (or surrounding states where people work at GM factories, etc.) where the majority of GM company cars are in service. Furthermore, these PEP cars are usually sold to GM employees and retirees. Complaining about losing out on an additional GM discount, when you are already getting a substantial discount on a PEP car is a needless and petty point to argue when it has nothing to do with GM gaining market-share in places like Los Angeles, Dallas, Atlanta, and New York. Step Fifteen: Referral Savings Account. Similar to the GM Card (another crisis), GM announces a program to accumulate a savings of $50 for each referral who buys or leases a new vehicle. · At $50 per referral, a consumer would never accumulate enough dollars to make the incentive strong enough to pull him/her into a GM dealership. Once again, maybe GM employees in Michigan might utilize such a program but in the REST of the country, how many people do you really think would refer a significant number of people to buy a GM car, then to actually redeem those dollars at a GM dealership? GM has to get people to CONSIDER their products for purchase FIRST before you can think about those consumers actually referring someone to buy a GM vehicle. Step Sixteen: Free GM Smart Care Maintenance Agreement to all GM Retirees. This 36 month 36,000 mile program would offer free recommended maintenance to all GM retirees. · Simply MORE “legacy costs” at a time when GM most assuredly does NOT need them. GM retirees are NOT going to save GM so there is little point in spending money in this way to further incentivize them. They are most likely going to continue to buy GM vehicles ANYWAY due to the discounts they receive. GM needs to spend money to improve product and increase market share….NOT foster goodwill with retirees. Step Seventeen: GM Card. This was one of the best programs GM has ever had. That was until someone decided to take earnings away, and thereby alienate thousands of employee cardholders. · I cannot comment as I am unfamiliar with the GM Card and recent activity that has supposedly made it a less-than-desirable incentive. Step Eighteen: Sales Guilds. For years GM had brand specific sales guilds. Now, everything is combined into the GM Mark of Excellence. It's a decent enough program, but it would be more effective to return to the old days of Buick Salesmaster and the Chevrolet Legion of Leaders. · Unlikely to strongly impact GM’s falling market-share. The salespeople need good, competitive product to sell. That’s the first step. Step Nineteen: Direct Factory Communication: Imagine going to your local dealer and ordering a new vehicle. · What percentage of GM vehicle purchases are actually custom-ordered? Not many. Due to this fact, this point has very little impact on GM’s overall challenges. Step Twenty: Reinstatement of Regional Sales Training Classes. Years ago, GM offered professional sales development classes at their regional training centers. · This point adds serious cost, which GM cannot afford right now. Sales training is ALWAYS beneficial, but most manufacturers these days utilize various computer and internet tools to train salespeople. Additionally, the dealership sales managers should be empowered to make sure their respective sales forces are properly trained. That is one function that the individual GM district sales manager should be responsible for on a local level. Regional sales training centers are an unnecessary expense. If a salesperson is not disciplined enough to utilize the computer, internet, and print materials available to him/her, than they shouldn’t be in the business in the first place. Please respond with your thoughts, and PROXIES. I just did!
  23. Awww man...... I have a soft spot for this news 'cause I was born in OKC....I hate to see anything bad happen to their economy. They were JUST starting to do really well (economy-wise) in Oklahoma after the devastating oil bust 20-30 years ago. "The City" was really coming to life with great new nightlife, restaurants, and so-on. I hope the plant's idled and they get something new down the road......
  24. I disagree......I've driven an ION a few times.....and I've driven Scions.....and everytime I do, it seems really unnatural to have to glance over to the center to scan the gauges. Yeah....maybe if you owned the car, over time, you'd "get used to it"......but why design a vehicle that you have to "get used to" in such a manner over time? That's why I don't like the centrally-mounted gauge clusters....your gauges, speedo, etc., are probably the most important part of the vehicle that you need to pay attention to while driving. THAT, you should screw with as little as possible.
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