Robert Hall

Yeah...the 5th gen concept was at NAIAS 2005 or so? It's been a looooooooong time..

It would be nice to see it at LA... I'd go to the LA show, but not to Detroit in January..

When is the production Camaro appearing?

Similar around here...Cadillac seems to compete well against other premium brands here in the Denver metro, but for mass-market sedans, Accord and Camry dominate..

There was another sci-fi movie from the early '70s that featured C-bodies...Plymouths, I think..I haven't seen the movie in 25 yrs or so, but it was called 'The Stranger' with Glenn Corbett as an astronaut that lands on a parallel Earth...I remember seeing it as a kid and there were several early '70s C-bodies in it, IIRC.

I have more confidence in GM being able to bring something to market than Tesla, though...Tesla is going to down in flames before they ever deliver a single car, it looks like.

Agreed..it's the beancounters that are to blame for the crummy interiors they went to production with...

We have no idea if anything he says is fact...he may take twisted pleasure in spreading disinformation to the internet. In fact, do we really know if he really works for GM?

Yeah, but they are really only aiming for the ES and RX...they can't compete with the good (RWD) Lexuses...that's Caddys territory.

Interesting that Patriot and Compass get new interiors...their good Jeep models need new interiors also...the GC definitely could use an overhaul inside..too much hard, cheap, grained plastic for the price point (the previous generation GC interior was a lot nicer, IMHO).

That was many, many decades ago...very few people remember or care. Their performance image from the '60s-70s is the only thing the brand can cling to now, they can't be marketed as being mainstream but better than Chevy, since that is where Saturn is.. As far as nonperformance, or even nonsporty models, I can't see a reason for Pontiac to exist... it seems that with Saturn in the middle and Buick in the upper middle, GM has their bases covered....

I saw the Rondine in the post-sale room after it was on the block..it was pushed past me, about 1 foot away...beautiful car..I saw the Thunderbird Italien up close also. Not sure what it went for...will have to go the B-J website and look up the results when I have some free time.

Who cares about what Pontiac is in Canada, though? The US image that matters is what it had in the '60s-70s.

After seeing 2 at shows and a few on a dealer lot, I saw one on the road for the first time tonight...a white rental, at the airport..

That's wierd..some place in South America drives on the left?

I wondered how they did the Challenger..I saw the concept in the post-sale area, but didn't see a production version at all..guess they didn't have one available.

That interior looks like it would have been right at home in a '90s GM product (cheap gray plastic everywhere).

I don't think I saw that one..there was the blue (from the car magazines) ZR1 on display in the Chevy exhibit in the main hall, but I don't think it was the car up for auction. I did see a black Z06 w/ gray/black wheels that had the most evil exhaust note I've ever heard a Corvette make...idling and revved, it sounded like an old radial airplane engine or something..

I don't know about ethanol, though..don't E85 cars get worse mileage w/ ethanol than they do compared to gasoline? Diesel is a better answer, IMHO.

Well, Toyota has/had a Land Cruiser Colorado in Europe..

It's an Isuzu truck sourced from Thailand, with Chevy trim?

Yes, the countdown to oblivion...maybe PCS wants to be the new Roger Smith..return GM to a lineup of all-generic FWD mediocrity..

Nah..I need to get a new digital camera..we only had a couple disposable cameras, pics probably won't come out that good...

It was quite the circus..walked around for about 6 hrs, spent an hour or so sitting down watching some of the actual auctioneering. A little something for everyone, mostly '60s-70s muscle cars (massive #s of Chevelles, '67-69 Camaros, Impalas, Bel-Airs). Many, many Mopies ('68-70 Road Runners, '70-72 Cudas, Challengers, '68-70 Chargers, etc). Lots of Mustangs (incl. 2 red '69 Boss 429s) and various Shelbys.. There were quite a few '50s-60s big cars as well..the usual '57 Bel Airs, Corvettes and Thunderbirds, along with a massive '57 Roadmaster conv..a couple '59 Buicks, '59 and '60 Olds, a couple '59 Pontiacs and 4 '61 Catalinas and Bonnevilles.... Some '70s and '80s cars as well--a very clean '74 Impala sport coupe Bicentennial edition (all-white), a all-original, low-mileage '76 Caddy deVille (4dr ht, silver blue), a '75 Olds 88 convertible (lt green w/ white interior), and an '83 Olds Cutlass Supreme w/ 23k original miles (lt brown w/ brown interior). There were a bunch of the Monster Garage crap there up for auction also (a Panoz w/ an airplane engine, a Mustang lawn mower, a cut-and-shut shortened Lincoln dragster, a '90s Impala SS w/ odd mods, etc all very poorly done). Inside, amongst the automobilia vendors were hawking, Ford, GM and Honda had sizeable displays...in the GM display, there was the 50 Cent G8, a blue ZR1 (looked like the car from all the magazines), a black CTS, gray Malibu, Escalade hybrid, Tahoe hybrid, and a massive 1911 Oldsmobile touring car (with those massive wheels it was like an early Donk). At the Ford stand, they had the '08 Bullitt Mustang that I liked a lot, along with various other Mustangs and a couple of Flexes (incl. the Funkmaster Flex Flex). Outside, they had a drift exhibit w/ Mustangs. A lot of fun in sunny, warmish (65) Scottsdale... got to head back to frigid Denver this afternoon..

Chevrolet Europe: A Korean Revolution. All FWD generics, all the time. Will Chevrolet NA have the same fate?