Robert Hall

It's too bad they haven't kept the Volt name going...perfect name for an EV. And the Volt had a good reputation IIRC. I've known a couple owners and they loved them. Anecdotally, of course.

Bankrupt. Been in administration the last 4 years, ceased operations and handed over to new government operated carrier.

Considering the vast majority of new vehicles have bucket seats and fixed consoles, it's a totally useless number without accounting for the console. Bench seats are an obsolete concept, as dead as carburetors or column shifts for the vast majority of vehicles. It's not 1980. Sounds like automakers need to update specifications to have realistic measurements.

Maybe it's made of transparent vibranium.

I like the Erie, PA area also..which is just a few more miles up the road...I love Presque Isle State Park, went there Labor Day weekend. I think I may go up there and into nearby Western NY (up to Dunkirk maybe) and see fall colors and lighthouses soon...

SUVs and cars don't have benches anymore, they shouldn't use such an idiotic, obsolete measurement either. But they seem to be, I saw the Audi A8 listed as having 61.x inches in hip room. Bench seats are an obsolete artifact of the past, shouldn't be relevant in measuring seat room in vehicles with fixed center consoles...I wonder if Consumer Reports or car magazines do real hip measurements instead of this fake nonsense.

Just an informal drive around Ashtabula County to see the bridges...can be done anytime of year (they have an annual festival where merchants set up at the fair grounds and at some of the bridges). I probably should have waited until next week or so when the fall colors were fully out...but the weather was so nice last weekend, went then. I've seen 12 of the 19 bridges, plan to go back this weekend and see a few more. It's only an hour and a 1/2 for me up to the area. The Ohio wine country is in that area also, a bunch of wineries along I-90. http://www.coveredbridgefestival.org/Pages/bridges.html

So the 61.2 inches is door to door incl. the console? That's weird. Except for regular cab pickups, bench seats have been long obsolete.

If you ignore the Mediterranean, it looks kind of southwestern deserty.

Just comparing it to a typical midsize number. Would have thought full size numbers would have been more. But full sizers do have wider consoles and wider bodies, but not much wider seats, apparently. I wonder what vehicle on the market has the most hip room with bucket seats…

That sounds more midsize in hip room...my WK2 Grand Cherokee is 57" for front hip room (with a console).

Between Sat and Sun I saw 11 or 12…Ashtabula County has 19, over 100 across Ohio. I did see a red one and a short one (18 ft span). The woodwork inside this bridge reminded me of a leaf spring upside down. I think @A Horse With No Namewould appreciate the craftsmanship of these bridges.

Didn't get that far south....was in Geneva, Jefferson, Ashtabula, Conneaut...along I-90 and maybe 20 miles south of I-90 and north of I-90 to the coast...

Another day, another 6 covered bridges on the tour. Saw 5 yesterday. This sharp Porsche 996 Turbo cab was on the tour, and one road between two bridges was a gravel/dirt road with many mud filled potholes. The couple in the Porsche were going slowly down that road, I was behind them. I love the craftsmanship of these bridges, esp the 19th century ones. Finished off the weekend with a couple beach stops. I love fall in NE Ohio.

Weird. My last couple of posts are in the September thread when really it is October. I guess when posting from my phone I didn't notice the month, just saw 'Spotter' in the thread title...my bad.

Took a little road trip up to Ashtabula County, home to 19 covered bridges. Saw 5 of them. Scenic driving, saw a sharp white w/ orange interior ‘69 Camaro Indy Pace Car replica, with the orange stripes and door graphics. Saw a sharp bright red C8, and a sharp dark blue C7 Gran Sport. Also saw a very clean black ‘71 Buick Electra 4dr ht. Also saw a new Wagoneer in black on the freeway, huge and blocky.

Came out of the hardware store this morning and a black Tesla Model Y was parked next to me, w a temporary tag. The couple with it were befuddled because it wasn't letting them in. The guy kept waving his hand over the door handle, but it wouldn't pop out...he was muttering that it didn't recognize him yet, while the woman was fiddling w/ her phone. I just shook my head and laughed...

Last time I was at my CJRD dealer, they had 3 Ram TRXes that had been delivered that morning...they had all been pre-sold. (Probably all crashed by now).

Alan Parsons (Alan Parsons Project--Games People Play)

A variation of the slogan of the biggest glass repair chainin the States...'Safelite repair, Safelite replace'...

It's going to be interesting how the Silverado EV compares to the Ford F150 Lightning.... I assume it won't be strictly a $75-100k luxotruck...

Oh, I know... I don't care...not my niche. I wonder if this is an option on the Silverado EV...making something like that standard is just an excuse to push up the price.

It's also an EV thing... manufacturers seem to think an EV has to be different and offer fancy features you don't see on normal vehicles, like the stupid door handles on the Mach-E, etc. I like panoramic sunroofs w/ an opening section and sliding shades, but don't see the point of a huge glass roof in a truck. It's a truck, not a luxury car.

That's assuming these were already sold to consumers and not just dealer inventory...

'handsome' might be a better term for the truck..