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Yeah the C5 was significantly bigger. 179.7 inches long, 73.6 inches wide, but it was not as tall at 47.8 inches. I think the fact that the C6 is significantly shorter makes it look longer, which is probably why the C5 looks even longer still, because it's even shorter. I'd bet if you asked 10 people if the 911 or C6 was shorter that 9 of them would say 911.

Good thing you're alright. Was it wet on the road or were you just not paying close enough attention?

I agree with everything except the first part. The Impala SS gets 18/28 while the less powerful (by 60HP) 3.9L gets 19/27... basically equal. Well 1/3 of DTS are to fleets, and cutting the volume by 1/3 doesn't give you too much volume.

The Corvette does look kind of big sometimes, but it's not: Cayman dimensions: Length 172.1 in, Width 70.90 in, Height 51.4 in. Corvette dimensions: Length: 174.6 in, Width (without mirrors) 72.6 in, Height 49.0 in. 911 dimensions: Length 175.63 in, Width (without mirrors) 71.18 in, Height 51.18 in. So it's actually shorter than the 911 and only 2.5 inches longer than the Cayman.

Are V6s going to be making 350-400HP in the future N/A? If so, the V8s days are numbered, but I still see a market for V8s in Corvettes, Camaros, Mustangs, GTOs, 300Cs, Chargers, and the Zeta cars. Really, V8s aren't very common anyways. Other than the Corvette, SSR, GTO, V-Series cars, and trucks and SUVs, the only GM V8s I can think of are: GP GXP, Impala SS, Monte Carlo SS, STS, DTS, XLR, and Lucerne. And the Impy SS, MC SS, and Lucerne didn't have V8s before MY2006. None of the vehicles I listed sell in very high volume, so you could say the V8 is already phased out of passenger cars for the most part. BTW I'm going to put this on the front page.

A good read. It sounds as if the Camaro is approved by GM itself, but the board has simply not done so yet. Now hopefully these cars get approval. I wonder how many of these are Zeta models too.

I agree it looks a lot like the Airflite and that the C-Pillar looks cheap. As with the other spy shots, for some reason it look considerably smaller than the competition.

How does a concept or street racer fit into the city car equation? Let's stick to the guidelines, folks.

Congrats! Keep us updated on your impressions of it over time.

It would depend on where you drive, but the GL seems to be more suited to stop-and-go driving because it won't burn gas sitting in a line at a stoplight or in a traffic jam. I drive almost 100% in the city, so for someone like me it would be pretty good.

Saturn Vue Green Line Gets Lowest Hybrid SUV Price, Best SUV Highway Fuel Economy Rating New hybrid MSRP starts at $22,995; receives official EPA highway rating of 32 mpg Detroit -- Saturn announced today that the new 2007 Vue Green Line hybrid SUV will carry a starting price of $22,995 (including destination charge), making it the lowest-priced hybrid SUV on the market. In addition to its value price, Vue Green Line will carry an EPA fuel economy rating of 27 mpg in the city and 32 mpg on the highway – the best highway fuel economy of any SUV currently available. That equates a to 20 percent improvement in fuel economy compared to a non-hybrid Vue, depending on driving conditions. “The Vue Green Line proves you can go green without going broke,” said Saturn General Manager Jill Lajdziak. “With a starting sticker price almost $4,000 less than any competing hybrid SUV, it makes true hybrid fuel savings available to more people than ever before.” The Vue Green Line will be produced in Spring Hill, Tenn., and will begin arriving in Saturn retail facilities later this summer. The Vue’s hybrid system combines sophisticated controls with a precise electric motor/generator mated to the engine. The system delivers fuel economy gains by providing electric power assist during acceleration, through early fuel cut-off during deceleration with torque smoothing and by shutting the engine off at idle. The system also captures electrical energy through regenerative braking. The vehicle’s 2.4 liter hybrid powertrain provides approximately 170 horsepower – 27 more horsepower than the 2.2 liter engine that powers the conventional Vue. The Vue Green Line’s acceleration is comparable or better than similarly equipped non-hybrid SUVs. In addition to its hybrid powertrain, the Vue Green Line also features several standard equipment upgrades, including antilock brakes with traction control, 16-inch alloy wheels, chrome-finish skid plates, body-color door handles and exterior mirrors, bright side moldings and rear spoiler as well as specific instrumentation designed to provide the driver with hybrid system information. As with all Vues, the Green Line model offers standard power convenience package (windows, door locks and exterior mirrors), remote keyless entry, fold-flat front passenger seatback and rear cargo organizer. All Saturn vehicles also come equipped with OnStar and a one-year subscription to the Safe and Sound service plan. Complete information on the Vue Green Line can be found on the Web at www.saturn.com. This year, Saturn will double the number of entries in its portfolio, beginning with the Sky roadster that is now arriving at retailers. Later this summer, the Vue Green Line will be joined with the all-new Aura sports sedan and the 260-horsepower turbocharged Sky Red Line. The eight-passenger Outlook crossover utility enters the market toward the end of the year. Saturn also recently announced plans for a Green Line hybrid version of the Aura sedan in 2007.

Well, it has the performance to back it up. A 911 has less power than a Vette but it will still beat it pretty handily around the track. Oh, and the GT500 is still a Mustang. The Vette is, well, a Vette. That makes a bit of a difference.

You think so? I was thinking that with all the T900 SUVs out and in full force for the full quarter that GM would have a better quarter. They should sell more cars and at a higher profit margin on each one.

Well the Mustang was only behind by .1 in the 1/4 and the Vette beat it to 150MPH by 3.5 seconds, so I don't know if that would be true. The Mustang coupe costs $45k?!?! And it has the $h!ty interior still, so I'd take the Vette all day long. I could see the convertible being $45k, but not the coupe.

Let's see... Next door they have an Escalade, F-150, Wrangler and 325Ci. Two houses have an Aviator and one of them has an LS. One house has a TT convert and a last-gen E320, one has two older 3er converts, XC90, and 740i, one has a Ridgeline, Tacoma, and Accord (they're import yuppies who are also assholes - if you are playing catch and the ball goes in their yard they start yelling at you), one has an RX330 and new Civic, another has a new Civic, one has a couple Volvos, one has a Tundra and Sienna, one has a GP coupe. Hmm, and the richest people on my street have: RX300, LS430 (older one), 911, xB, and an Aston Martin V12 Vanquish. They have multipul houses around the world and jets and I assume cars at those houses too. They own Bumper Works (makes bumpers for the F-150 and new T900s) and Flex-N-Gate (same thing basically).

Wow, the convertible looks really ungainly. Makes the G6 with the top up look like a supermodel. Is it just me or does the sedan appear to be rather small?

Hmm, that's a good idea, and it was a good decesion to only make it until 2007.

What was the weight of the Mustang? I think the coupe weighs 3900lbs or so while the Vette weighs about 3250lbs. 3250/400 = 8.125 3900/500 = 7.8 So, maybe the Vette is underrated. As someone else asked, what did the Mustang cost? What's funny is that the supercharged Mustang with 200 extra HP is only .6-.7 fast than the regular GT, and the GTO is almost as quick with the LS2. Give the GTO headers, exhuast, CAI, and it should be faster than the GT500. If not, adding a cam will definetly make the GTO faster.

Well, that was partly the Pistons fault. They shouldn't have let one player on the opposing team beat them 3 times in a row. Regardless, it should be a good series like last year. I think the Game 1 loss could be costly to the Pistons as now they have to win one in Miami.

It will, the current Commodores already have the 3.6L HF V6 as either the base engine or an option.

While I think the LSx engines are plenty refined, the rules in the luxury ballpark nowadays require you to bring DOHC engines to the ballpark in your "mainstream" luxury cars (non-V-Series). Trucks such as the Escalade line are fine with OHV engines, and the CTS-V is fine with the LS2/LS6 since it's so refined.

You guessed it, it will just be called GT though :AH-HA_wink: Total production for the two (SS+GT) was/is slated for 50k/year.

This is partly my fault, as I really haven't been keeping up with any of the design comps.

I don't know why it would take them that much longer, but I guessing they were probably going to go with the 3.9 but Lutz or someone wanted the 3.6 after they had already been testing the 3.9. As a result, the 3.6 testing would have to be done and was behind the testing for the 3.9. That's just a guess, I don't know for sure why it's so far behind.

BV, where are you in PA? If you're in western PA, then NJ shouldn't be too far away. This Miata has a dent in the front right fender but it looks pretty small and I think wouldn't cost too much to fix. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1995-MAZDA-...1QQcmdZViewItem This one would be sweet but it's an auto: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1995-MAZDA-...1QQcmdZViewItem I want to see what those wheels would look like on the GTO.