Northstar

If he's so obviously in the wrong, then prove it. You spend plenty of time proving, or at least attempting to, how Wagoner is in the wrong? Can't you spend one post proving how guionM is so obviously in the wrong? If you don't post why, and only post that he is, it doesn't prove anything.

The NG DTS was supposed to be on Zeta, but from what I've seen, it's been cancelled. The NG STS is still on from what I've seen as well. Sigma > Zeta

That's from almost 5 months ago. That could have been the plan then, but what I've heard/seen suggests that the DTS is dead and the STS lives on.

I suppose, but if there's currently a code for the NG STS, and there isn't a code for the NG DTS, I think it's more likely that the DTS goes away.

I'm not sure about the '08 Cobalt. I'd expect the front end to look something like the Sema cars from a year or two ago, and also be in line with the Impala and '08 Malibu. The NG Cobalt though, well I have it from someone pretty high up that the WTTC concept is a concept version of the NG Cobalt :AH-HA_wink:

Think of an element that's blue :AH-HA_wink:

I wouldn't be so sure about that. A twin turbo setup is going to need a pretty big intercooler, and all of the tubing, etc., is going to add a lot of weight. I would actually bet that a TT HF V6 would weigh more than a NA 6.2L V8, but if the 6.2 is supercharged and intercooled, then that's going to add a lot of weight too. So, I'd say you'd be at a pretty similar weight.

I was thinking more along the lines of an annoucement saying "The DTS is dead, we will instead have STS and STS-L models for the NG STS."

That worked, thanks. The Tahoe looks great, lonewolf.

Damn, Chris is on fire. Where are we getting this non-supercharged 4.6L Northstar info for the V-Series? That would likely give it less HP than the current CTS-V. Also, I don't think a midrange V8 is really needed if we're going to have a 300+HP V6 that will be able to rip the car to 60 in the mid 5-second range. The CTS-V is going to look totally badass in black.

Oh, boy, that's a total of what, 5 days of fire sales? That's less than Toyota, Ford, Chrysler, or Nissan had. I'd say GM's doing pretty good with limiting fire sales then. How about giving an example of a month-long firesale (or for that matter more than a few days)? Oh wait, you probably can't.

Agreed, except I'm not sure that the extended H2 is needed. The H2 already can have half of a 3rd row, so maybe they can figure out a way to have a spare, full back seat, and not sacrifice any offroad capability with the NG H2. A H3 and H3t would be nice with the 3.0L V6 diesel (or whatever the size of the V6 diesel is going to have) or the new V8 diesel, and the Wrangler fighter might do well by offering the V6 diesel as well, it'd give it something the Wrangler doesn't have.

I would like to see Z06.R, or Sting Ray, or ZL-1.

They're the same thing.

Mississippi_lonewolf - the thumbnails look great, but it appears the forum messed up your attachments. Try using imageshack.us instead and see if it works.

Wow, that's impressive. It probably handles like it's on rails, too. 13.5 in the quarter seems a bit slow for 0-60 in 4.8, but that's not really what this car is about anyways.

As he stated the fire sale was over, GM had a terrible Sept (2005) and Sept 06 showed no improvement, well that's bad news. outside the Escalade (competing w/the old Navigator) the GMT-900's aren't all that hot. And I distinctly remember that jackass Lutz saying we are selling every GMT900 we can build, obviously we aren't. Fargo is right on the money, the managment at GM which worked in the old days is completely wrong in today's enviroment. It's time Lutz and GM's managment are held responsible for GM's failings, and I mean they need to be fired. 201419[/snapback] Did you take into account that GM was in "fire-sale" mode in Sept 2004? I remember you could get $10k+ off of Tahoes and Suburbans back then (we looked at a $49k Tahoe in late Aug 04 that the dealer was advertising for $39k), and you can't do that now. If you could get $10k off a 2007 Tahoe, I don't think there'd be many left on the lots at the end of the month. Compared to the industry, the T900s are doing very well. The Escalade doesn't only have competition from the Navigator... The LX/GX, new GL-Class, and Range Rover still compete against it.

For some reason I was under the impression that the tires the Z06 has now are the widest you can put on it without having them stick out from the body (which is why it has bigger fender flares than the regular one). So, maybe they aren't going to be any bigger then. The pipes do look a little bigger, I did not notice that before. Any idea what those two red things are by the backup lights? They look like they're plugging something(?) It also has a little silver thing in the lower air damn. Adaptive cruise?

Does it still have the screen in the interior or did it get taken out if you don't get NAV?

Ehh, the H3T was way cooler. This looks like it has ungainly proportions.

The V6 is $55k loaded? It didn't used to be $63k... do you mean that's the price for the V8?

Umm, profitability would be a sign of company health. And, GM is returning to profitability. I'll even give an example to make it easier to understand: Porsche is very profitable, but their market share is basically nothing. This makes them unhealthy how?

Ok, let's break down what's wrong with this article: Yes, but GM actually sold more retail units this September. I'd say that's what matters. I'd rather see GM at 22-24% share with about 80% retail units than 30% share but the same number of retail units. Adding fleet sales only hurts resale for us, GM's customers. Again, it's all about retail sales, and GM has been improving in this area. Actually, Tahoe, Yukon, Yukon XL, Suburban, and Avalanche sales were all up in September, and I think it's fair to say that the only reason last year's numbers were higher is because of the Employee pricing. On, top of that, the Tahoe is only down 3k units vs. last year. Oh, and on top of that, the Escalade is actually up vs. last year, even with Employee pricing. And, last I checked, the segment was down by a large margin this year. I don't know the exact figures, but I'm guessing the segment as a whole is down more % points than GM is, so that means GM would have increased market share, meaning that they are taking back some of the market, granted, not by storm. Oh, and let's not forget to mention, once again, that the T900s are doing this at MUCH higher transaction prices, which means GM is making TONS of money on them. This may be the biggest line of BS so far. Umm, hello, GM sells close to 1 million pickups per year, and is currently on pace to sell about 4.2 million vehicles this year. If 1/4 of GM's vehicles are highly profitable (and this doesn't include the T900 SUVs, either), then I think that would keep GM at profitable levels. Oh, and let's not forget the new products coming. How many of them are lackluster? So they had a good month... how about mentioning that the Sequoia is down 25.7% for the year (looks like the Tahoe is doing much better, no?), Highlander is down 10.3%, Land Cruiser is down 34.1%, 4Runner is up 3.8%, and the RAV4 is the only one that has any real gain, at 104%. I could give some nice figures for some GM SUVs to make them look brighter than they really are, too: Avalance up 44.5% for the month, and the GMT900s are doing bad? H3 up 21.5% for the month, and 120.8% for the year. Torrent up 127.1% for the month. I just love how TTAC thinks it can get away with BS like this. The T900s are doing bad, and the only Toyota SUV that is doing better than average for the year is the RAV4. I think I already demostrated that anything about the T900s being failures is made up BS. Wow, nice journalism. Personal opinion with nothing to back it up. And, who says the "gotta-have" vehicles aren't coming? I'd say the Lambdas look damn impressive, the Malibu is supposed to be a knockout, and I'd say the Camaro is as close to "gotta-have" as you can get. TTAC is a joke, which I guess is why Buickman takes them to be the Automotive Bible.

NIce work Chris! So, this is obviously a powertrain test car. I wanted to see how big the rear meats are actually going to be, but we'll have to wait until CD catches some vehicles that are testing other things as well.