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Easy there hypocritic biggot you live in a bubble and just farted................. Walmart here is the only store. 30 miles for a Target which we prefer but not weekly or even monthly. Must be we are too busy and tired from working "white trash" to make the trip to the city so we could pretent not to be "white trash". There is other grocery stores, P&C, Price Chopper, if you wanna throw away an extra 50 bucks a week to put food on the table. Our area was primarily white country folks from all walks of life, education, life styles, tax brackets, dress codes, ect. ect. ect. It is a State College town that also draws college students from all areas and walks of life. Our Walmart is clean, and the workforce is decent, not always too smart but respectful, something you could learn, Im thinking and trying to define the term "trash"..........respectful - trash- disrespectful - not trash ? ? ? go ponder that, what a quandry, the source of that term "trash"...........ANYHOW............. Most of the clothing is not much, my "wife" who works at this areas Walmart Distribution Center does not buy her cloths from Walmart but mine do come from there. I only wear Wranglers and Hanes............thats it...........they are a tool of my trade, white socks are white socks and my boots come from Cabelas............that is my life........................I AM NOT TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a hard working, respectful where respect is shown, contributing member of socioty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANYHOW Since Walmart moved in 8 years ago our area has become flooded with Blacks & Hispanics............funny thing is they dont work there...........or is that "dont work?" I know those little tan people arent supporting that line up of children they have, 2' tall, 3'tall, 3.5' tall, 4' tall, 4.5' tall, 5' tall, 5.5' tall, a 25 year old woman that looks like shes 45..............da'ys ainst a gettin supported by theirs fathers minimum wage check. They are however running rampant throughout the store. There are also the handful of "White" families that look very similar. They are not the majority. Now take a ride down 30 miles to the Walmart in Schenectady, an area called Rotterdam. An area that was primarily blue coller Italian and Irish populations. This was a decent clean area when I grew up and lived even closer than today, its where Mom and Grandma used to shop. All the old "chain stores" faded as is the trend previously mentioned by other posters. Today there is a Walmart there. That area now is primarily Hispanic, mideastern and Black. That Walmart is a pig sty, we stopped in there once on the way home to get dog food and were totally disgusted. I'd say less than 10% of the people in there were white, including the workforce. So by that I would say we country "redneck" "white trash" have far more pride and standards than I am seeing in the old overun suburban areas. It is what it is and those that know nothing about which they speak should curb their tongue. Now for my wife working at the Distribution Center. Shes been there since it opened and left a warehouse job in Albany to work for Walmart because it was by far a higher paying job. After 8 years she is making far more money than the dick head that took over at Delphi offered their workforce...................does that make him "white trash" ? ***All hardworking, respectful, decent members of socioty from the Black & Hispanic cultures..........take no insult, Im just calling a spade a spade and I was just called "white trash" I did not use any such insulting "names" toward your people. There are aspect of some cultures I do not like but they also exist within my own White American culture, I am aware of this.............seems others are not ! I have broke sweat and blood side by side with both Black and Hispanic men and those individuals have my utmost respect as I do theirs. Seems some posters here post comments that indicate their age is much lower than it actually is wanna do ass-h ? I can do ass-h, no problem............just another park another Sunday

Na, sorry, the most horrendous drivers I have seen are chicks in Domestic S U V 's. They are bullit proof, and exactly who those commercials seen on speed about driving S U V's were targeted at. Two weeks ago I had one, a college girl in one of the HUGE expensive luxury ones (forget which one, they all look the same ) I see her comming up behind me on 2 lane road. Im looking in the mirror thinking "is she going to let off or just run me over". She keeps comming and comming until shes 20 ft behind me. I see the nose dive. I am already above the speed limit as usual but not interested in that speed in that area, I do have a brain. Now I can see her in the mirror. She was fidgeting down beside her, I have no idea but it went on for 10 minutes. I bet she spent a total of no more than 2 of those 10 minutes looking forward. She would fall back and then come raceing back up again, fall back and race up, all the while playing on the seat beside her or the floor. Then we hit I88 and I went up to my usual 74 and set the cruise and she raced up behind me, then finally took the passing lane, passed, came back to my center lane (three in this area) and procedded for a few miles then dropped back to 70 or so, now I had to pass her.................she was still fidgeting around. Now she was passed and that was just no good.............flying back up my ass, so I had had enough, put the pedal on the SC down and put about 1/2 mile between us...............sorry for saying this but "STUPID BITCH". I wonder how many accidents this ditz will cause in her lifetime ? Now last weekend on I90 steady 70+ mph traffic suddenly comes to a screatching halt then procedes for a 1/4 mile at 30, Im looking in my mirror waiting to get clocked in a chain reaction, I could see everyone behind me frantically scrambling. Slowly we all find a way forward and back up to some speed. This section of I 90 is 4 lanes one way. Sure enough another young "STUPID BITCH" doing 45 in a Blazer, in the fast lane gabbing on the cell phone oblivious to anything going on around her. Yep, I vote "stupid bitches" in S U V's....... Thats - S tupid Un aware V _______ Most women in Toyotas are overly cautious and easy to pass.............if you have a powerful General Motors car............... ***If you are not a "STUPID BITCH" this expression does not apply to you. I believe Frank Sanatras generation called them "DUMB BROADS" So this apparently is nothing new................... OK OK in all fairness to the ladies.............just yesterday Im comming back up the town road toward home, suddenly an older man than myself, mowing up the shoulder of the road toward me on my side just cranks the Cub Cadet straight out into the road..............I had to lock them up and there was a car comming in other lane so I could not take it. It happened to be my neighbors wife in her Subaru Impresda BTW who also locked them up. So second to "STUPID BITCHES" in SUV's is "DUMB OLD BASTARDS" on Cub Cadets. Now thats an awfull lot of B words in one post...........Warning rate just increased to 40%...................... Sorry

Ah, that Chrysler TC was grotesque and so not classy, no comparision. It was a glorified Lebaron and the Lebaron may have been acceptable on certain days of the week (those on which I didnt need to be seen driving anywhere). The only Rivs I never liked were 79-85 but amazingly they were the hottest selling Rivieras. They were also first of the FWD Rivieras. Sold like hotcakes in the good old USA, land of the RWD landyaht. Doesnt make any sence does it? Well, they were still landyahts and in the age of the comming of FWD at a time when people were tired of having problems in the winter, so perhaps this had something to do with it.

Friends/neighbors up the road have one. They loved it, they are now looking for a new car. The gas tank started leaking and apparently the rear subframe needs to be pulled to do the job. The shop told them they could not garentee the subframe and attaching points would not deteriorate when pulled so they did not want to do the job. "She" hit a deer with it and it destroyed the hood, one could not be found even in local junk yards, why I do not know, seems like I could have found one but who knows. For some reason "he" said he did not want to get another Subaru, I guess we got side tracked and I just cant remember the reason or we never got to talking about it.

Your right Ven, I should have said So American, so Buick. It all Buick too, nothin but class. These cars really effect me, raked wedgy hood and windshield, wrap around bumpers. sloped rear panel reminicent of 63-65. Thick roof, it all just works well together. I know there are fellow Buick people that do not like this car but it all works out well in my eyes. This 93 would have the 170/230 L27 engine too, the one in my 91 Regal was a charm Im not sure Im crazy about the factory wheels for these either, werent they multi finned tubine type. Wheels would be a hard call, maybe real chrome spokes would be appropriate ? This car is a jewel in the vast desert of brown sand we've seen since the early 90's.

hard to believe someone would work so hard at saying nothing

OK, I reluctantly am reading this artical. So as I go heres what Im hearing "The car is numb", "tailhappy" yet it achieved the second fastest lane change speed. Its brakes are "wooden"............ Well hell we all know what wooden brakes feel like............remember the old horse and carraige with wooden brakes.......... I think their fimiliarity with wood centers around the left or right hand. Now is that Oak or Pine ? Old growth or regrowth.........."hell we dont know its just wooden, got it? wooden! " Imagine that someone over 6 foot tall finds a two seat roadsters........"accommodations on the tight side" that wire mesh grill is awsome ! I wonder what these same guys said about the "waffle iron" grill on the 300 ? What about the Jag still haveing the same oval grill they've had since the 50's only with a Chevrolet chrome bar ? Or how about the Porsche looking vaguely different from its origional..........."oh wow, looky looky its another 911 Porsche.............how bout another one just like the other one ? How about the grill on that Benz..........sure looks an awful lot like the louverd grill on the standard CTS/XLR.........I of course realize that thingy in the middle makes it priceless, then the Beamer oh yes............how bout another one just like the other one. I will concede that the interior on the Caddy needed to be better styled, some things about GM I just dont get, considering the interior styling of the Auroras, even my old LSS, the 63 Riviera, the 96 Riviera and some of the concept cars we have seen. Whats with this squared of choppy crap more resembling that of the 84 Fiero ? So its high price "confined it to fifth place" disregarding its retractabe hardtop, standard heads up, "brilliant dynamics provided by StabiliTrak", is "easily the quickest car here", all that plus " smooth and tranquil freeway cruise"............................................... sounds like a dead last finisher to me whatchall tink ?.................................. I cant continue, it will just be too sickening to hear them slobber all over that Benz and Beemer. Do these guys ever get up off their knees or do they just gulp, gulp, gulp ? See they just didnt have a choice, no way could they put a Caddy ahead of a Beamer and they just werent impressed with the Beemer so there simply was nothing left to do to save face in light of all things important. After all priorities are priorities. yeehaw Im a car test pilot

My experience is there is no such thing as "surface rust". I would need to look at bottom inside of the doors, doglegs and most importantly the undercarraige. Cars that sit die a silent death underneath that is not visible from the surface. Internal and undercarraige condensation is on the job working 24/7/52 and in this case add 42. Ive had to scrap two car projects due to this issue. I'd spend a good 15 minutes on my back looking over that frame and floorpan, especially from the rear axle back. Bad brake lines also mean bad fuel lines and possible, most likely a rotted top half of a gas tank. If the undercarraige is in good shape and all else as you describe it is a fair buy that will still eat into the wallet on a regular basis until all things 42 years old are sorted out. This is why many times its better to spend 5-10 grand on a solid driver than think your saving big bucks on a $3-600 bargin. Been there. Undercarraige is labor intensive. **I think engine would be 401 or 425 ci nailhead, the are more commonly known by their torque numbers but I forget what they are.

I have a large interest in this topic becasue we just passed on a 2002 origional owner 70,000 mile white 4.0 @ $10,000. Reason becasue Im affraid of that N* engine. After reading this it seems maybe I passed on a great car. Am I right or wrong in thinkin I heard the engine needs to be pulled and half tore apart just to change a water pump or starter ? I seem to think I read something to that effect a few years back. One local aquantence has had a STS for a few years now and just this week I saw him to ask how that car had been. He said he's at 160,000 miles now with absolutely no problems.

Im middle of the road on environmental issues, but more green than black. Ive been in mid 20's for mileage for over a decade most of my life in fact. I do not support any forms of environmental neglect. At the same time I realize that we are where we are today with our transportation based socioty because that is how our government and corporate leaders have made our economy go round, so its not my fault we drive a combined average of 600 miles a week just for employment purposes. My water comes straight from a steady flowing mountain stream and my waste water goes through a sand filtration system and then back to mother earth from where it came. Im pretty sure "mother" put that water there for a reason..........why else would the racoons come down and WASH in it........... I could care less what people drive though I am sick of "trucks" being used for basic transportation a truck is a vehical for working purposes and the increased popularity of "trucks" for non trucking needs in the last two decades has drivin the price of trucks where they dont belong. I still do not get in peoples face or down talk them because of what they drive. So I would have cared less about that 300. HOWEVER.................call me white "trash" and you opened a can of worms that will ruin the rest of your evening and eat at you for weeks. "Whats the matter pal, having a hard time giving your wife multipul orgasms? cause I can take care of that for ya! " Ya know a happy wife makes for a better home life" "Perhaps this is why your so miserable and makes you critize those hard working contributing members of socioty that do the dirty work your whimpy ass cant deal with" "So heres yet another way by which I can improve the quality of your life" "Dirty deeds done dirt cheap" then hand her my business card.

Whats the Abovelaw enforcement people doing using tax payers money to place expensive photo equipment and "vendors" by which to criminalize and punish the working class of America for the foul act of wasteing 2+ hours of our day driving to work and back ? Taking a "bite out of chrime" there big fellow ? Im so glad to see you are focusing your priority where it really counts.........................thats the area you can really get MONEY, because you sure as hell cant get a bloody penny out of the low life criminal element. Just admit it, its all about revenue and has nothing to do with true "chrime". We all know Mr. Abovelaw never puts the pedal down on his "cruiser" just to hear the engine roar. Never goes fast just for kicks. Mr. Abovelaw Maker never gets drunk, never did drugs or visit the local "ladies"............naw, none of that. They just putty putt putter their whimpy way through life riding the tax payer gravy train. We have no criminal law enforcement people in this country just a bunch of traffic cops and civil suits cause thats where the MONEY is. Its amazing whats legal and whats "illegal" in this country Vaporizor nearly complete but not soon enough

Look some people do want a bench seat and column shifter so some people need to quit crying about it. It has absolutely nothing to do with quality or premium or "substandard" its just something that is also available for those that want it. I'd be more concerned about the choice of material used on cloth seats as GM and the Japs have had someone with really really grotesque taste shopping for the fabric. Whoever decided dress suit dry cleaning material on seats was the bomb did just that.....bomb. Then colors - taupe/ tan/ baby poop/ whatever, is the worst color in the world for staining and grey is gray, dull, boring, uninviting, and black is black, hot, dull boreing overwhelming. This three color only interior trend needs to take a long hike back to Japan. Yes GM's "base" suspensions spring rate specs need to be thrown away and whatever they call "sport suspension" need to be the base and the sport suspension needs to be tighter. BUT they are not unresponsive, just too soft. Unresponsive incase anyone does not know means you turn the wheel and the car does nothing, goes straight off the road...........OK ? They are still however the best riding highway cruisers available and many many buyers want that. Expensive tires for DOT legal driveing which most people abide by are a waste of money and little more than an ego endorsement. Small stamped steel wheels and plastic hubcaps however are unexceptable in a Buick........as was the styling of most alloy wheels GM used for the last 10-15 years. Crying about the 3.8 STILL when everyone who is supposed to know what is planned and coming in the future is a sign of making noise for noise sake. Even worse when everyone who is on the ball knows the 38 was and still is one of GM's most desired engines by those that really know anything about the engine or has owned a car with them. It is not a substandard engine, new engines are comming, get over it. If the cloth wasnt so grotesque and a spring rate upgrade option at say $200 was available the 38 powered $26,000 Lucerne is probably the best buy on the market for a quality car. Leather is a $900-1200 option and that is what it is. Ive talked to many people that are upset becasue they can not get a CXS with the 38, which would also be my gripe. I doubt many Lucerne or Lexvalon buyers take their cars to the big bad drag strip on Sundays or spend Saturday nights going head to head for "pinks" stop light to stop light. This is however the way the mag/rags view an auto and now have all the self proclaimed enthousiasts viewing cars. I imagine my antiquated 240/280 L67 LSS will still hold its own against the big bad azzed "new" Lexvalons and I can bring her up over the mountain and through the wood fast enough to make 99% of the worlds drivers crap their panties. If American market Buicks are going to be made in China, just put out the lights. Might as well change the name to Suchan and fogetaboudit.

My GM's have this thingy either on the door or the side of the seat called an electronically adjustable seat control switch, very easy to move seat back before getting in......... My GM came with XM so who uses a CD player ?............. Just kiddin, we looked at the Fusion but the cars on the lot seemed kinda plain, nice sheet metal though. My wife is 5' and I learned to look first before just jumping in, darn near got stuck a few times.

What for................I come from an advanced culture that eats sitting in chairs pulled up to a table with advanced tools of the trade...............even though this is centurys old technology Im still OK with it..................when I want to regress to the ways of the ancients I do just fine with my fingers....................then I lick them before wiping my hands on my blue jeans. . . . . . My Grandma used similar devices to make articles of clothing..........somehow I never got the urge to try to ingest food with them.

48 and according to highly self acclaimed sources going on 4...............so I guess this means I have two advantages on most of ya's................. as for the above question...................the 70's ? was a complete blur........... naw, I remember quite well. As with all decades or eras it had its high points and it had its low points but non the less they were amounst the best years of my life, second only to when my daughter was young and the world was a great adventure and mystery. The eighties went by in a flash due to nose to the grindstone work efforts. The 90's became liquidated due to the rewritting of the "American dream" and the 00's have been a bit of a limbo state. "such is life"so we used to say. I just wish I could get back to say...... 18 when I had all the answers and knew everything about nothing and nothing about everything. "Life comes at you fast" be prepared, I was'nt

I think GM blew it in the low end market and that rep transfered over to the higher end market cause I may be ignorant but I just dont see the superiority of product from Japan over the decades in the larger Buick/Oldsmobile/Cadillac range. Well good luck Lucerne its a hard uphill pull when the odds are stacked against you.

Well considering the percentage of our "new" population is imported - American hating cultures - and the percentage of the unimported population haveing a hate American identity crisis..........who could expect any different. I'll save the tic toc thingy for another day. Like when China moves that last little Rooke and says "checkmate". Are China and Korea still communist countries...............building nuclear warheads ?

OK, why was Olds a lame duck brand right after Aurora was launched ? Im not getting your point, Olds was heading for lamedom anyhow or because of the Aurora ? I understand the loss of Eighty Eight and Regency buyers but reading the review it seems the Aurora had everything right that so many complain about not being right in GMs today. So what I have never been able to understand is why if all things were equal with competition which this author seems to indicate, and consumers had no preassumptions about quality why does the statement about Lexus/Acura/Infinity buyers never cross shopping the Aurora exist? This author seems to compare up Mercedes and BMW more than the Asians which one would think was a good thing. I understand this is an irreveltent point today in regards to the Aurora itself but as a failure study it seems quite important. This car seems to have been everything GM has supposedly needed but yet it was written off. I see todays Lucerne as being the same car in the same spot but couriously five years later, and its interior is getting critizied, its base engine....critized and all the other things. Sure the base model is more inline for affordable pricing but who wants one of them ? It seem a respectable Lucerne is just as expensive as a respectable Aurora was, disregarding inflation that is. Confused ? I guess what Im saying is if a car like the Aurora could not work for GM what does it take ? What car is going to do it for GM ? What car is going to change this perception problem ? Is it possible to change this perception problem or is it a lost cause and GM is just throwing money away because Americans just hate anything American or presume anything Asian or German is just inherently better ? Seems to me the answer to the Aurora question is also the answer to GM's mid lux sports sedan question.

Actually this Tesla sounds more like an international car than an American car. British engineers & manufactureing, Thia motor, American electronic techs Tesla is a good name, I like it, I always though it was a good name for a band too. Now the big question is who is gonna make this technology affordable ? Most people only need a 60-100 mile dayly range for their commuter car. They will still need a fuel or hybrid job for the weekend or vacation trips.

Whos a "purser" ? Is there a story behind this ? Like some survivor lived a life of luxury after the fact ? I believe I have seen the story on the Andrea Dorea a few years back. The Edmund Fitzgerald is a chilly story and Ive seen that one a few times too. Nothing compares to the story of those silly King Crab fisherman in the Baron Sea. I just heard it but forget, they loose something like 5 ships a season and 10-15 lifes. Some crazy odds like that.

Thats interesting info, I was hopeing to hear from OC and Evok on this one too. Seems they know all the details. The Asian imports just now trumped GM in the power department so it seems, but so many posters here always give me the impression that GM has always been behind.............my 91 Regal did a good job up against an Intregra or Legend 2dr. but I knew/know nothing about them, I thought I was going to get my antiquated butt kicked. We still see one or two, sometimes even more G1 Auroras every weekend we go somewhere. I'm just afraid of the repair costs of the external engine, wear items, other wise we would be in a white 2002 4.0 as I write this. I seem to keep forgetting that the G2 could run regular.

I just read about this myself and was going to post it but didnt know where. I think this is great news, Ive been interested in electric cars since the 70's. I have drawings of ideas I had. Regenerative braking through the motor, a wind turbine under a hood scoop in the front, special shaped batterys to run up through a would be driveshaft tunnel/console, solar collector hoods, roof and trunk deck and yes the car looked like a mid engine sports car of Italian decent. I was following a few companies in the late 90's and stopped for a while, when I went back...........nothing. One company had made motors that recharged the batterys by plugging into a wall and turned the motor into a DC converter/generator, this made for a self contained system. I hope this technology succedes and one day internal combustion engines have limited use such as industrial needs only. I believe the automobile started out as an electric. I think the first Oldsmobiles were. So once again this is nothing new its................Olds technology...........

Aurora - Love it or hate it styling, way out of the box, either you can see yourself in this kind of car or you cant, the shy fainting sheep will remain in the pasture and the black sheep will make the break for the hole in the fence. No need to examine the percentage of followers to ecentrics. I also know for a fact that many Aurora potentials just went to the STS or SLS. Generation 2 never stood a chance but its funny to see all the cars today that have a similar appearence Questions - How was the Aurora priced compared to the import competition ? I have been under the impression it was higher. Aurora required premium gas, did its competition ? Wasnt Aurora larger than what the typical Japanese car buyer was used to ? Larger engine, lower gas milage, just far distant from the assumption of what constitutes a proper car for the "I love foreign" crowd. Lucerne - Im already seeing as many Lucernes around here as Lacrosses so all is not lost, which was the feeling I got when scanning the roads for Lacrosse. I believe Lucerne styling is aggressive for recent Buick, and its not enough to make most people walk away like Aurora may have. The last LeSabres are a financial steal as far as used cars go but not exactly the look thats gonna get you excited as you walk across the parking lot to get in your "new" car, much like Camry and Avalon, forgetable, yet history of the market has shown most people dont care about that sort of thing. "Hey everybody ! Come take a look at my Avalon ! Hey ! Hey ! Where ya'll going ? Wait, wait, come back, this is my Avalon ! " I parked our LSS next to a friends Avalon at work last summer. It was a nice car but I couldnt see any advantages other than it was newer. He loves them and it was their second. They have a previous generation as well. He traded a late 90's Cutlass for it. Hardly a comparision of equals but he stated a few problems with the Cutlass that made him feel "all American cars are junk". As usual the great GM's take a fall for the shortcommings of the cheap GM's. A tuff place to be when your company has so many models and brands, then everyone assumes these problems are across the board..................but its such a huge board.

Awe, imagine that 5000 Asian car at the bottom the deep and shiny sea

The reality is that the VW Rabbit was equally if not a more significant vehical. Some fraction of the origional peoples car lives on in the Porsche and is still a tried and proven design of great evolution, though a bit pricy for the "people". As for the "POS" thing, I really dont recall anyone ever saying how perfect their Beetle was...............in fact I seem to remember the basic attitude toward VW Beetle amounst American "enthousiasts" as being one of "POS"......................hmm..........ponder that ????? as for the minimalist car, Im really sure the totalitarian insurance rulership of all things human will forbid any such thing as becoming road legal in the US. They are currently going hard after the motorcycle escape route and will find a way to dictate that as well. Im sure if we all started pedaling our bicycles and taking the train they would find a way by witch to mandate we carry individual liability insurance with limits no less than 3,000,000............hey, we need ways to keep our massive population in money............and this is how we are doing it...........if I didnt have a conscience I would hop on the insurance gravy train myself. Perhaps the closest thing to minimalist car I can think of today, at least that I have seen first hand that impressed me is Lotus. However we all know if this was not a nitch car and became massively popular amounst citizens..........the insurance industry would be there to crash the party.