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OK, now Im up to speed with theyears agian so were back to 62 Cadillacs. Heres the highly acclaimed Coupe Deville in economy caps another ?? with caps Im not finding leather yet, I better go look for an Eldorado "Ill be back"

For priceing I only have "Remarkably, a Series 62 still cost as little as $5026; the Eldo Biarritz was only $6608." only have XK E-type for 61 I believe "$5,595 for convetable and $5,895 for the coupe ". yes that is US dollars. Im sure the MarkX was more or so one would think.......but then again the XKE with its chrome spoke knock offs "could reach speeds of 151 and 0-60 in seven" again way off the Mark.............. I ponder what the first domestic production car to reach speeds of 150 was, then I bet there was no involved...................

Sorry the fleetwood was the wrong year, just a mistake I found this for the Cadillac engine and performance "Cadillac's long-running V-8 got its first major revision in 14 years for 1963. Bore and stroke were unchanged, as were valves, rocker arms, cylinder heads, compression (still 10.5:1), and connecting rods. But nearly everything else was different: lighter, stronger crankshaft; a stiffer block weighing 50 pounds less than the previous one; ancillaries relocated to improve service access. While all this did little for performance, the revised 390 was much smoother and quieter. Then again, performance was already good. The typical '63 could reach 115-120 mph, do 0-60 mph in 10 seconds, and return about 14 miles per gallon." this is what I have for the 63 Jaguar engine......no now wait a second my book says the Mark X was introduced at london motor show in 61 but none the less. "The Mark X used the 265 hp 3.8 litre (231 ci).............to record some impressive statistics for a big car: 0-60 in under 11 seconds and a top speed of 115." Boy they were way off the mark with that one............... So by 65 MY they increased to 4.2 litre with the same HP but 10% more torque and top speed of 122.

62 Fleetwood "caps"

Everything ! but only because its a Jaguar.............................. So just how H U G E was that Caddy engine............a real "class" leader Im sure.............. I got no problem with Cadillacs, I dont jump in on Cadillac topics to chop them down.........even through, they, for the most part have been gawd awful ugly......in my eyes You want to damn everything and everybody that did not have the same industrial might and vast resources and engineering advancement as America post WWII. For such a great historian, you at the same time seem anxious to dismiss certain complications involved in the balance. You want to damn another country for being steeped in tradition, that was struggling to just get back to where they were after WWII let alone lead the way. Then of course once again its a country little larger than Flordia, and a company much smaller than any of GM's divisions...........How dare they not have "everything" and yet the nerve to be called "luxury". Then there was one final great gigantic trump card that America had and it was Harley Earl, a totally non traditionalist. Though he later did become steeped in his traditional wings and rocket fuselage with gigantic holes for and aft and 100's of pounds of stainless gawd..............something that most of his understudies hated. Still, one has to wonder had it not been for Mister Earl would Americans have been building bicycle fender cars well into the 50's ? Exner seemed lost after his great years in the mid 50's..........would Harley too have become trapped in his creativity ? Hey I can see it, just not sure you can. I bet you wish you were with the Big Three in the 50's and Jag and Ferrari and all other European brands that you so loath were also under Domestic control and you'all could have crushed them like Tucker and all others that fell to the big money boss's pull. I mean in one topic you will lament Tucker for their fate and in another curse a survivor of similar unbalanced scales. Manufacturers who only survived those days due to the fact that they were within their own countrys and their own countries pride. Well, damn them to hell, how dare they see things differently. Perhaps all those extre thousands of miles between them and California left them a bit in the dark ......... ponder that ? " Maybe I'm just not seeing it; enlighten me." Ive grown to not care what you "can see" because I clearly see you are narrowminded and cant except all differences that make for different products and approaches from different locations. I guess in todays world this would mean you would be a typical Lexus buyer and blow right passed the Caddy. Jaguar never "followed" anyone and stuck to what they deemed proper for a Jaguar. One only needs to look at the few models they produced over the years to see they did not copy anything, always unique and uninspired by others. That in itself takes class in my eyes. It was also their demise but I got to love them for it. Today they are Fords with a touch of Jaguar throwback. "What about the above pictures says 'luxury' to you" That car is all class, its that simple, myself I can only hope those hinges are brass, because if I had built that dash they would be...........polished brass, I may have even detailed them a bit and placed them entirely exposed.................like those of a high standard trunk. Speaking of which, I still love exposed finely crafted chromed trunk hinges........and here today everyone is complaining about "intruding trunk hinges"........we'll hey I got the answer.................in one day and time that would have been thought of as fine craftmanship I guess today it only means "not luxury"........... I have a photo of a 63 Grand Prix placed nicely in my collection of fine motorcars, including the likes of Jaguar, Ferrari, DeSotos, Bugattis, Pagaso's, Maseratis and Buicks. Makes me smile to think of the cringing that would be done by the narrow minds of the "enthousiasts" on both sides of the pond to see such cars side by side.

I think complete inilation (sp) of the species in over due. Ive been watching these idiots fight over that stupid desert for far to many decades. They behaive like complete morons. Then we see the coward acts. The plane hyjackings of the late 60's. Shooting guns in the air like bullets are free and pointless. Chanting "kill America". How quickly people forget. Then some younger people dont even know about this crap they have been pulling for decades and want to be bleeding hearts and politically correct. Give them another chance. There is something wrong with their heads, something went wrong with the genetic breeding system. They have no soul. Not logical thought process. No compassion. no conscience. I was called a "dirty, lyin, cheating American" by a damn Turk, I got something for them too. Probably didnt belong in this country...........well according to imigration that is, I know he didnt belong in this country. He was on a free ride, unless you consider sitting behind a gas counter ambitious, calling me a cheating, lying dirty American becasue I wouldnt drive a loaded truck across fresh blacktop so he wouldnt need to carry something an extra 20 ft. NO that wasnt it at all, he wanted to jump on the insurance lottery by getting me to destroy the blacktop. I think it should be open season at home and in the middle east. When our garage gets a little too cluttered we clean house. Its high time to clean house !

Mistated, should say torque converter lock up kicking in and/or out. Torque convertor kicks in when you come off idle or even put it in gear depending on how you want to look at it, and thats why you begin moving. I know you know this but I'm trying to avoid others from misunderstanding.

Mostly agree, and yes GM did just hault everything else while they saved Cadillac. Im still steamed over what they did to B.O. & P. Im must confess Im a bit concerned with Epilson.......owning one old names/ new names, I really dont know enough to say what is best for the future I think Lucerne is a move forward from LeSabre but yes it is damn little. THere is nothing at all to make me feel its anymore car than our 97 LSS other than the G platform, and the LSS is a 9 year old.

Yes these problems do exist with the Series II naturally asperated 3800 (L36) I cant speak for the 3100 & 3400 but I do know they have a problem too. THis was and is a serious problem and damn sad being how otherwize the 3800 was and is a bullet proof engine. GM engines are not the only engines to suffer head gasket failure. Many of the greatest engines made suffered headgasket failure............sound strange doesnt it? In the same breath there are many L36 3800's that never fail, then there are some that have been repaired more than once. Today the replacement manifold has fixed the problem but that was too little too late. All that said does not mean that single failure would place them lower on the list. This pole is the amount of complaints per 100 vehicals, if this was it and all one hundred intakes failed they would have the highest/lowest score of 100. Being how this problem was fixed in 03 or whenever, I once knew but am currently drawing blanks. Being how this problem was fixed in 3800 and its for 03 vehicals I'd say this problem is not one of the complaints in vehicals equiped with the 3800.

Your not that deep dude, you didnt say anything except to confirm that is was torque converter lockup yet still deny it. Drive a Millenia...............whatfo ? Oh I know, so I get to feel that extra special one of a kind transmission..................... Now to once again be serious Its torque convertor lock up and unlock nothing GM hasnt had since the early eighties. We always get guys poping up at various forums that do not understand torque converter lockup and insist they have 5 sp trannys. Do you understand torque converter lockup ? If so we would not have had to work so hard to try to explain something to someone that doesnt want to hear about it.

I didnt open because there are people around. If your talking about the Hill Ive got to say I woud have loved nothing more back in the early 90's than to bend her over and give a good grudge _ _ _ _. It seemed like something she might just need. Multiple intense orgasms, I dont believe Bill was getting the job done, there is nothing else that could explain it. Since or otherwise I have no use for the woman, she was yet another big money schemer that was involved in legal white collar robbery. Sorry to be crude but she had that effect on me. I looked, I think that is her face on Sharon Stones torso of like the age of 30............

The Brits are and were heavily steeped in tradition. I actually believe they probably wanted the hinges exposed. I also doubt they had huge key rings dangling, most likely just a single key hung on a rack for the Chauffeur. The hub caps was most likely another tradition because the E type came with knock off chrome wire spokes. I suppose a Cadillac came with alloys or something ? All this crap your throwing at the car doesnt make it not a luxury car as you stated. I didnt ask for your preference I asked what showed this car up. Wheres the class leading Cadillac ? They actually called this wood work cabinetry, no suprise, thats what it is. Therefore I would guess thats what was expected. From what I have researched that was handcrafted Walnut and included Walnut tables on the back of the front seats with vanity mirrors. I suspect this car as with most Rolls and Bentleys had chauffeur driven in mind. More English tradition much less common in America with oil barrons in Texas running a big fat set of longhorns on the hood...................... Well perhaps this is no more class leading than a Cadillac but it did have a little 3.8 DOHC inline six engine producing 265 hp. It did have fully independant suspension, it did have four wheel disc brakes.....................Im sure Cadillac trumped all that with class leading engine, suspension and brakes................tables in the back seat...........and enought Walnut to make a hutch............ but surely all this still'll equals.............. " These features are on par with --say-- Ford of the early '50s, not a luxury car of the '60s." exposed window seals........BFD did they seal or did they rust the window channel? I suppose they should have hid their poor workmanship with gobs of pop on mismatched stainless ? I love fat woven windlace, its something I miss. Is it possible the Brits also saw this as proper, its more detail rather than just rubber. Bad electronics.............so you heard.............nothing that ever plagued a Domestic ? Well I continue to pretend a Jaguar is a luxury car and you continue to pretend a Pontiac is a luxury car. Ill understand reality and you continue to live in your narrow minded bubble. Form over function right ? Didnt domestic luxury from this era have plastic tissue dispensors..........

all I can further add is........... Mute and Viper are....................... as in wacked. We just gave you all the information and apparently you can not register what we are talking about. So best thing to do is continue to tell everyone you have that one extre gear and furthermore becasue it shifts twice into each gear you really have like 4 extre..............yea, thats what Id do....................

During ?1942? to 43 or 44 England under bombardment from GermanyIn 1957 Jaguar plant & tooling totally destroyed in fire In 1960 Jag bought Daimler Mark X released in 1962, what you got from 62 to totally show this car up ? All wood yes, laminate most likely, I have a photo here that shows book matched. Pedals not your style, OK but how did they work ? The best pedals I ever ran were on a 64 Brit and no they did not go down through the floor like a VW. Keys, wrong place but its not the end of the world either, as in, Im sure I could pick Caddys and Buicks apart to, most likely loaded with early plastic and steel dashboards with nice fancy paintjobs. Potato/potato. I doubt a Jag owner would have keys a jingling on the dash, they would have had one of those big chains hanging from their belts like a good ol boy...............with huge fancy animal key fob made of gold Jaguars rep in England vs America was as Cadillacs rep was in America vs England, no one makes excuses for either nor is forced to overlook anything due to location, logical people would recognize that perhaps there was different trends, desires, expectations, and plan of attack from two different cultures. This is a charming interior and by no means is low budget moulded high production Slab sided fuselage ? Id say the sides look more like a torpedo, the look that GM used in the 90's, mainly on the gawful LeSabre, a car thats solely responsible for my not enjoying the look of this car and the XK6 & 12 so much anymore. Shifting on the column..............?? I must have missed something but as best I recall the wealthy and old school felt that was proper for a lux car and that the "stick" was for young sporty puppys.................Column shift was common in Domestic into the 70's for standards and always on automatics.........hell until mid 80's & 90's. Perhaps these origional Jag owners would critize a Caddy for having a bench seat ? Ford never had anything "on par" with this car in the 50's let alone 62. What ? The Galaxy 500 ? "Jaguar was far behind class leading in everything except reputation... which was based on what again?" I guess you'll never know if you continue to refuse to accept or learn anything outside your box, dont get me wrong I have friends that feel like you, no matter what, they will refuse to learn anything or listen or try anything different. But instead will just look for what they can pick apart...........most of them are into Chevy muscle cars.............................need I continue ? Pretend its a Luxury car ? "Perhaps on the British stage, but then again, no. On the international stage, no way in hell." ................your beginning to sound like the media you so often question....................need I continue ? Jag, Rolls, Bentley somehow seem to come off a bit like Olds, Buick, Cadillac. Then thats from a country thats not much larger than Florida.................godang them for not having all the resources in that little island population to keep up with the "big boys" if one really feels they did not keep up. After all only having their tiny Island bombarded into oblivion less than 20 years earlier, no big loss..................then lets see, a complete total loss fire in 1957 just 5 years before this car was released............no biggy. I believe in 57 GM was working on the 63 Stingray, hmm.............sounds like Im making excuses, no, not at all , just the facts. Id say they did damn good to produce this car by 62 the E type by 61. Myself I prefer not to keep the door closed and never accept or enjoy anything that comes from outside your circle. This was the British idea of what a luxury car should be. They were also slow and somewhat financially incapable to accept change..............sound fimiliar ? Would you be happy if Jaguar and Ferrari went the way of Tucker ? If so then what would you have to complain about ? Would this be a more beautiful world ? Well at least I get it. Thank you Jaguar for producing this car and all others before and since, not bad for a bunch of low budget grocery getters wagon builders....

I thought she was the hottest or most fun in the movie, but then that tall leggy exchange student had a very special look to her face. Hell if they have great bodies and dont drive me nuts, as in "shut up already", Im always game. The horny Mom was also, my kind of Woman, its always best when they know what they want and get on with it, thats sexy, reserved and reluctant is not sexy and from my experience has never turned out to be fun or worth it either. Who played the "squaw" in......cant come up with the name, the spoof about the two "not so great" explorers. Drawing blanks .....ah with Chris Farley and the guy from Friends. Was that the same girl as in American Pie ? Very hot !

Is this the "one time in band camp" girl ? If so for some reason that girl was my kinda girl !

It would be far easier to list the NOTS ! There is a handful that on occasion I tell my "wife", "I would leave you for her" she just does one of these and says "I know you would babe" then goes about her business. As Ive aged with some of the older girls I still find them quite attractive

Capriceman - Overdrive in automobile is a gear in which the output shaft of the transmission turns faster than the input shaft. It is a higher gear not a down shift but a upshift. In a heavy truck transmission, primarily consisting of the Fuller Roadrangers 13, 15 & 18 speed overdrive is a higher range than direct drive its an upshift not a downshift. Once again, one in which the output shaft of the trany turns faster than the input shaft. THis means the output shaft of the tranny is actually turning X RPM's faster than the engine. This is a fuel mileage thing. The engine RPMs come down and the truck or car goes faster. It has less power not more power. For more power you downshift not upshift. Sorry man but you got that one backwards.

Your modifications probably lowered your low RPM torque and raised your high RPM HP. Our LSS will lay down quite a bit of rubber too but that is high traction, in which the torque lifts the front end and shifts weight to rear end. This is part of the launch problem FWD drag racers face................HOWEVER this is not an effect in low traction situations when there is no chance of any tractive torque being transfered. The very best FW smoker I ever had was the 89 NYer with a little 3.0 OHC Mitsu, that thing would squawk loudly and lay a dark 15 feet from both tires. The LSS just spins slightly for about 50-70 ft with primarly one wheel and launches fairly well, far better than any of the small displacement V8 RWD American cars of the 60's & 70's. We used to have to take corners fast and remove weight off the inside tire to lay a "patch"............ Id have to see the numbers again but I believe the Camaro never had very good weight distributation. Nearly the typical 60/40 that is common in FWD cars. In fact most American transportation devices never had really good weight distribution, worst of which was the big block cars and 2wd PU with empty box. Corvette was one of the few that countered this by placing the engine well behind the front wheel axis. Then they further improved this by going to the transaxle. Its a well know fact around these parts that Camaros are crap in the snow. I love Camaros too so dont get the wrong idea. Been alot of F bodies take the dive during the winter back when they were more common. Doing 360's at road speed in a car is not fun and there is no telling where your going to wind up. At least when a FWD plows you get the full effect of the tree comming at you............

I made a comment earlier about the younger guys knowing things we older guys never dreamed of, This is one of them. This is not an insult, just a wake up call. Please dont talk about stuff unless you know what you are talking about. Next thing you know myths & housewifes tales begin to get passed around. Please read and absorb the post I made just before you made this post Mute..............geeze

Another myth While those mentioned the characteristics of both RWD and FWD in snow, ice or slush are accurate, they have also become exagerated and grow to extremes. In bad winter driving conditions the FWD will get the job done. Those that are not on the ball enough to keep the FWD car on the road would go off and get stuck in the RWD car far more often, as was the case in the Great NorthEast 20+ years ago. Most usually as they slide while backing down the hill they just could not get up and polished to a nice shiny luster............... The FWD car is far more user friendly in bad conditions. Thusly why it is a far better choice for the less road savvy sex...................woman. It is also better for those like myself that can drive the ass off any car, RWD or FWD who became sick and tired of putting chains on a RWD with a few hundred pounds of ballast in the trunk way back 20 years ago. FWD cars also stop better on slippery roads as they have a bit more weight bias on the front tires which do........just pulling a number here, 75% of the braking. Anyone not steering well in a FWD car can simply let of the gas and all is well, a no brainer really, which is why women catch on to FWD fairly quick................ This is a nearly irrelevent argument today with the warming trends and amount of SALT and SAND they need to put on the roads these days due to all the whiny, whimpy "tax payers" "Gee wiz, I know I live in the mountains, in the NorthEast and its winter and it SNOWED but how come there is snow on the road? " "and oh, my windshield has this nasty stuff on it too, how come it landed on my windshield " "and oh, my car seats were cold and it took 5 whole minutes before my heater blew heat " I just cant hardly take it anymore " all things equal be it snow tire/snow tire, ice, deep snow, slush, hills, turns - FWD is superior to RWD on slippery roads.............................deal with it !

I dont know what the silly Japs have or had but if it was a GM since the early 80's it would be a four speed with torque converter lockup, which as Hudson indicates here, acts or seems like yet another gear. In a way it is another ratio because it will not allow the TC to "slip". Press down a bit and the TC lock up kicks out and engine RPM's will rise. That is the "torque converter" doing its work. Press down a bit more and you will downshift into 3rd which is direct drive BTW (1 to 1). This downshift is what some like Capriceman call "passing gear" it is not its own special gear called "passng gear" it is just a down shift. If you were going even slower it would downshift into second, but once again this is second not its own special "passing gear" just yet another downshift. Passing gear does not exist it is or rather was a term used in the "old days" for down shifting into second on the old 3 speed in the American Iron. Hope this helps clear the myths

You can go back further on the styling and see how Jag slowly evolved from the same kind of look. Periodically speaking. Even the old XK120-150's "fixed head coupes" and the Mark IX and the 3.4 & 3.8 Sedans of the 50's I just as glad we car guys had Williams Lyons and Malcolm Sayer as we had Harley Earl, Virgil Exner and Bill Mitchell. They all made our world such a beautiful place. Mark IX 3.8 Sedan

Ive had this too, too many times. I know more about the new and old GMs than the salesmen. I attribute that info on the new stuff to this site. As for the old stuff not many here seem to know much except us old fogies but some of the younger guys know stuff we never even dreamed of................... When I checked out the Lacrosse it was the same sad situation as you have described. When I checked out the Cobalt the guy was a car guy but I was still more on top of things, when we checked out the G6 he (same guy) was more on the ball but I still needed to give him some extra info. This time I did buy a car from him, he is an excellent man. This is one of the points about dealership training that BUICKMAN had on his list that I knew was NEEDED. GM's dealerships in many instances are killing them. This one I bought the G6 from is not listed in the yellow pages under Buick, nor Pontiac, nor GMC nor even Chevy which they also sell. They are listed as Gable Auto & Truck Center........thats it ! You cant find them under anything other than G . Their sister store on the other hand.......Gable Dodge Chrysler Jeep has multiple listings, in large add size under Chrysler...................Dodge...............Jeep.............................IDIOTS !!!!!!!! real friggin brilliant