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I found it interesting because it does have a bit of design to the dash top and appears to be vinyled with trim and the rollercoaster grab bar is priceless............ These things were all about weight or lack of it, see the tiny door levers, slide windows, just whats needed. These 450S's actually won Sebring in 57 but that was about it. http://www.supercars.net/cars/2966.html

There not blinding, just distracting and to have on during the day. Day = sunlight = best vision known to man.......... why jumble it all up ? soft touch liberals figureing out ways to complicate life daily, answering questions no one ever asked, idle minds dangerously at work. Lets just reduce speed limits to 10mph mandate 3 full ft of closed cell front and rear and get it over with.............. When I glance around quick in traffic to see whats comin, I want to see the big picture of whats comming..............not "oh look theres a bunch of lights commin, somewhere, I dont know for sure, just lights." oh yea, I feel so much safer

I like it. Some of you guys are reachin there arent you ? Isnt it more like a Ford Focus or that Citroen I was seeing in WRC events a few years back ? I think VW has a good handle on styling recently. Im really liking them and was seriously condsidering purchase. But I stuck to my homeland..............

New cars do have to much candle power People do use to many lights I dont get the point ? Who the hell was Rubenoff ?

The manufacturers eliminated the need for 2dr cars, styling wise, when they finally began to "sport" up the 4dr cars. One would only have to look back. the old 4dr cars always had that anti sport look = fat, vetical C pillor. It was the way to make the statement, "I dont want to stick out in the crowd" "Im a sensible family man, I dont need to be seen flaunting around in some "sports car". What seperated the 2dr. from the 4dr. was they would put some slope on that C pillor. Sometimes more but usually is was always the C pillor. Now take the cars you guys were just talking about, the GP or possible 2dr Intrigues........ect. All they did on that GP was move the B pillor back, build a longer door. In profile it looks no different from the 4dr. All you gain is more leverage on the door hinges and a hard time getting in and out of the back seat. More stress on the seat backs as everyone yanks and pulls on them getting in and out of the back seat...............ever seen a broken down Camaro seat. Now the G6 coupe, as well as the Hondas and Toyotas and Nissan 2 drs are done right. In many cases the entire rear panels of the cars are different, especially seen on the G6 coupe, rear quarters are differently styled, roof is far more aggressively styled, taillights are totally different. You see this on Celicas, Solaras, Z's, ect. They are their own car, that is the best way. If your going to have a coupe, give it its own body and then it might as well have its own name. I believe most 4dr cars since the 90's have been just as sexy as 2dr's used to be. Another example I can think of is the Seville STS compared to the Eldorado, both have that sexy luxury "sports" appeal........and they are different bodies........Id take a Seville anyday. Aurora - Riviera, both quite different but for sex appeal its a real toss up. When you set two identical looking cars on the lot but ones a real pain in the back seat...............which model is going to sell ? bottom line - Lucerne is sexy enough just as it is.

Wasnt Asia former members of greater bands ? Or was that Europe ?

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Thats sad, just seems so wrong, doesnt it? Ive been down that road far to many times and I hate to hear about others lookin it in the eye. Just makes me shake my head. Remember "Carry on................."

Thicker, padded and wrapped with leather?................what a soft touch.......... Wouldnt want to get blisters on we wittle fingies driving back nd forth through town when we go on big trips we pull out the "driving gloves" ?............................... Like I said there was never a comfort issue with wheels until the 90's. But you just clampon that soft wheel and keep pretendin so back on topic before all these colorless plastic marshmellow photos

Viper, that Millinia is nice. It reminds me of most of the Oldsmobile leather interiors as well as others from that late 90's early 00's period. These colors always make for a pleasent feeling interior when in leather........... in cloth..............baby poop.............. I dont see how you feel new wheels are "more comfortable" there is simply no way, and thats not taste either, there just is no way they can be more comfortable, "comfort" is a term never even thought of in old wheels, you dont start talking about comfort until youve made something uncomfortable..........which they have done a really good job of with steering wheels of late. So now we strive for comfort in our steering wheels ? I hope they keep striving, they have a long ways to go. Of course youve drivin so many...............right ? Steering wheel style ? your way off on that one too. Today they work really hard trying to make these fat blobs stylish...........yet we can look at them and see they are all just about the same, so hold on tight........right there at 2&10 just like a good little puppet............then watch the test drivers (all former and current race drivers) on SPEED as they fumble around all those posts and try to grip the wheel at 9&3..............just like all good racecars are set up..................not that they are any kind of optimum driving machines................ Um wood hard ? you mean like that hard plastic instrument panel.........oh I see the benefit of the trade off.............one is real wood and one is real black plastic, OK groovy Stainless, so hard, so shiny, so worthless.................um you mean like that thin black plastic insert around the shifter on that Honda S2000 ? So if thats soft it gives you something to pinch with your wittle fingies while you drive ? I guess that would make that black plastic eye sore purposefull, then that big red button, such a design revolution, so stunning, like wow!, would you look at that...............yeehaw I do like the wrap around into the doors and lack of "stack" but the rest ? Your car blows that thing away, so does our LSS and Flys Aurora. The Honda Chris showed with the stack, no better than GM's and I can only guess that this is something GM is copying in order to please import buyers. Wrap around into doors ? Our 89 NYer had that with plastic wood and was very appealing. Our LSS has the wrap into the doors, as does Aurora, as did Riviera, there is actually nothing revolutionary in that S2000. The black plastic instrument "bezel" is crude and elementary..... Watson GM's "new" course grain dash look is pretty nice actually, I like it, the material feels pretty nice but its applied to a hard surface, oh well, they will get better. I rarely touch it anyhow, Im too busy grasping that phat wheel at the mandated 10:00/2:00 to get a chance to relax caress the dash pad...........................

We've seen alot of dashes do all sorts of things over the years. I have'nt seen much gougeing or scratching though. Part of our point my be that in so many ways the materials have become cheaper. Older plastic dashes used to be nice and soft, though the sun did its eventual damage. Eventually the sun will destroy any plastic material.

mid life crisis............mine has been present for 20 years............... then people tell me its something Im soon going to be going through, then I get really scared. "it just cant get any worse, I scream, it just cant, say it aint so ! " ya know what bugs me Camino, I dont feel a change comming on, I dont feel anything, just barron, no dreams, no real future, now its like I just exist, I just keep going. I felt the change 6 years ago and didnt know what it was for sure but now after the crap that went down, Im kinda zombied out. Moving forward kinda pointlessly like Frankenstien or something. I think thats why I cleaned house and prioritized. In hopes that after I get these "prioritized" items done I can exhale and then breath new air, find new "things" to take pleasure in.

Ah, thats an ulgy RWD 4dr POS............................. It is a ugly 4 dr though, everything about them looks bad because of the greenhouse. I dont care if its an Oldsmobile, Buick, Cadillac or Jaguar, the old four door cars just never looked good to me. Maybe because thats what grownups drove when I was a kid. There is one of these around here for sale too, It might be a hardtop but its still got that look, I have driven past it everyday for the past 2 + years and never once had the desire to stop and look at it. The same place had a ?66 Impala 2dr fastback that did turn my head..........but...........Chevy........so I never stopped to check that out either. That has been sold for awhile but the Pontiac still sits there. Someone now has a 67 4dr Fairlane in what appears to be great shape sitting by the road.

Frankly I couldnt even finish reading the whole thing then we start another topic with the same long post only edited ? GMC you are so full of gas.............Killing Pontiac would be more dumb than killing Buick which would be more dumb than killing Oldsmobile was. First, Pontiac has been the highest seller of the former BOP..................HELLO ! Then theres this little thorn in the side that has been stealing R&D dollars from the hands that fed it in the first place. Its called sat urin. That, is the problem that has needed to go. But lets forget all that and the interior problems we have hashed into unusable pulp already and concentrate on the nonsence you posted about Pontiacs current line up. While its been nearly destroyed by deleting the big Pontiac Bonneville, failing to style the late Grand Prix properly, using a body for the GTO that reaks of a 1996 Monty Carlo torpedo and a few strange looking "trucks"............Pontiac has delivered performance. GTO - repeatedly given the best bang for the buck status from the auto rags, much praise for its roadworthyness and interior. Providing excellent results in all track tests........ while they give victory to others..............just because GTO is kickin Porsche & BMW butt on the race track.........repeatedly GP GXP performs at the top of its class in all track testing including - against RWDer's, yet others got the nod...............just because.......... G6 GTP achieved an excellent blend of track results against the competition yet it was placed last ................just because........... Solstice - will prove its worth in the comming summers as it to will take the wind out of its competitions sails, its already begun to do that.........Solstice is of no concern...........if you dont count the production problem of not having enough on market...........and that surely has nothing to do with the ..............thorn in the side. G6 coupe in my opinion is the best looking non "exotic" car out there today. But this is the type of styling I like, fastback, aggressive slope, phat hips, its just sexy to me. Not only is it very aggressive looking it is aggressive driving. In fact thats my biggest complaint with ours (GTP). Its not much fun to just casually drive on back roads, you need to press it to make it work nice. It totally acts like a performance car that is just not happy with kindness. It likes to be a bit misused, then the suspension begins to act right, then the feel of the fast steering meets the road on que, then the engines RPM work well with the 6 sp. Dont get me wrong, its great for lazy cruisin IF your not spoiled as I am from over a decade of H body luxury yachts. The GTP smooths out just nice at speed and yes indeedy it is a performance car, straight line or crooked, breaking and shifting, it would totally smoke an old GTO on any road. I believe styling in the mood of the G6 coupe was needed for the GTO I believe they could have done much better on the last Grand Prix. The styling in the back and front, toned down that nose and uncheapen the rear end but thats all water over the dam and irrelevent with the old retireing W chassis to make worthy of yet another discussion. Bonneville is just a damn shame, I just saw one of the last renditions, today in pearl and that car just jumps out at you. Thats excitement, when they grab your eye like that. Soon when we get the RWD platform Im sure Pontiac will deliver another great performer with great looks to provide more enthousiasm. Pontiac and Buick are not the problem..........its whats getting in their way !

What is that ? Is that an Audi ?.......................no wait...............is that the car segment B U I C K should have gotten a chance to design and produce ? I gotta say, now owning an Epilson, finding humor in everyones praise of the "aura" like its really something special............praising the Epilson becasue its "new", not "antiquated"................if anyone thinks Epilson can hold a candle to W body for comfort, ride and handling.....................they have another thing comming, cant vouch for the backseat issue, I doubt either is worth talking about. So this is why Buick is not getting any 3.6 engines ? Im so sick of this little annoyance, "one of these days Alice, one of these days".

I cant say as though I like it, and this protection business is going to make things awfully hard on me when I finally snap................. Now this coulda, shoulda, woulda been a Cadillac.................but alas it was not. They probably could have filled orders for a hundred or so of these at $500,000 and grossed a cool $50 million.............but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! If they did, then all the GM fanatics could'nt complain about all the over priced Ferraris, Astons, McLarens and Bugattis..................then what would C&Gers find to bitch about ?.................

I gotta say, though I do find much appealing in modern interiors, when shown in the same topic with all this old eye candy they look like they were designed by the Michellin Man or maybe The Pillsbury Doeboy...............I think Oldsmobois photo here just about sums it all up. You can twist and turn, curve and offset all you want but when your done you still just have a big puffy lump of plastic. There simlpy is no substitute for real wood, stamped stainless and honest to goodness individual gauges. The old steering wheels are finely crafted artwork not these massive characterless blobs.

I found this profile to ring a bell, sure the cars are night and day but the styling.............That first post war Citroen has striking similiarities too 1934 DeSoto Airflow 2Door Coupe

No, but ....................cool ! Not the gauges so much but the rest............very interesting, maybe the coolest console yet ! At least if you dont want to rest the right arm. I was talking about the dome or globe style gauges, kinda like gauges in a bubble, staged off in tiers or something of that sort........Balth knows, we discussed it once. Early NYer I believe.............. speaking of which, I wonder about the Airflow ? Let see ................ 1935 Chrysler Imperial CX Airflow Limosine 8 Passanger 1934 DeSoto Airflow 2 Door Sedan Dash interestingly I see quite a bit of VW Beetle in this here 1934 DeSoto Airflow 2Door Coupe which is going to make me hunt the Beetle post back up and post the photo

but now that I look I think I see the point you may have been making with the gauges themselves and the throwback to days of old..................copying is something the Asains are good at.

As I read Joes post and while this loaded I was actually thinking of and expecting the Firebird concept. What is this one Balth ? Satty.............thats just gross, comparitively speaking Harley and Balth - Wheres the photo of the early 60's Chrysler dash ? You know the one

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