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I believe you are right Fly, or at least I want to believe but we are all scared, its really that simple. 3 mile Island, so much other corporate contamination over the years, imagine what will go on in the "turd world countries" not just with misuse of the technology but careless handling as well. My area had a huge General Electric plant that built nuclear turbines. The area was devastated when it took a downfall. Still its some really scarry stuff. You know how your not suppose to store combustables inside, dont play with fire, dont smoke while your filling your tank, look both ways before you cross the road..........its that kind of thing. Someday they are supposed to dredge the Hudson River to get rid of PCP's laying on the bottom from decades of General Electric polution. Scary stuff !

It appears to have gotten rid of that Mr Roboto look of the last one, more curves and flowing. The center stack and steering wheel suck, like most do these days. So does the pickup truck facia. I will forever, hate Chrysler for this and the former "cab forward" trend. Is everything going to have this same exact sculpting to the hood/grill layout until we are so sick of it that all cars that ever had it will be hated into eternity ? The whole thing has already become a very tiring formula. Droop to the lower edge of the grill, folds running the lenght of the hood tapering inward to the grill then protruding slightly forward of the headlights. Really nice until every car made by every manufacturer uses it. Now I believe Id scream if the Velite was released as the prototype was seen. What modern car used this first ? Volvo ? Like 5 years ago ?

Astons have always been beautiful, heres DBR1, where tops and whats behind you is of no importance. I'd have to check again, and it would take awhile, but I believe this body was designed by Malcolm Sayer. Also this is not British Racing Green, Astons used their own color which is far superior in my opinion. Im not a fan of BRG. In 1959 it claimed victory at the Nurburgring 1000km, the 24 Hours of Le Mans, and at Goodwood. Drivers at LeMan were Roy Salvadori-Carroll Shelby

Well, what do ya know a response that actually had something to do with the topic. Thanks Shadowdog. However regardless of who this program effects or how, the point I found most interesting is that GM pays outside sources to do something that regional managers should be doing anyhow. We all know theres way to much of this going on throughout our country. Many people employed to perform irrelevent function, sucking money out of corporations or governments, simply because, as mountain climbers have always said "because its there". Ive delt with outside "agencys" as well as district managers and have never been impressed.

F'in Toyota drivers........... Wonder if this has to do with one out of five cars being a Toyota ? You must be getting an awful amount of paint on the front of that car ? See today with air bags, traction control, anti lock brakes, stability control, theres no reason what so ever to have to pay attention to what we are doing. This is why we need cell phone use, TV watching, NAV screen watching and more, more, more interior gadgets to amuse ourselves while driving. It will all work out in the end...........you'll see. Just work for the insurance companies and it will be a win/win. I believe GM executives have been sending $100 rebates to Toyota drivers who plow Oldsmobiles as a way to validate the fact that there should be no Oldsmobiles............ I am sorry about the Aurora, Fly. Its a survivor, thats for sure.

While I think I understand somewhat, Im not sold. I dont see alot of bold GM, I dont see much change. I dont see what styling GM has changed that Ford has not. The newer stuff from across both ponds is still far bolder stylistically and efficient economically. Yea "Chryslers" bold but does everyone go goo goo over it, I dont, its not to my tastes. If I want a car that looks like a truck and gets horrible gas milage I suppose a Kenworth grilled Hemi is the way to go.............. GM has 2 bold interesting nitch cars, one of which is going to destroy the sales for the other........theres something to be proud off. A concept that they apparently are going to commit to for a change, but we have yet to see it sterilized, even then, that too, is still a nitch car. I also dont understand Henrys qoute. Ford was known for beng a control freek, ignoring or destroying new ideas from his engineers and ran models for very long periods of time. Im not downing him, highly respected around here but the statement seems somewhat hypocritical. ""The truth is, for the best part of two decades, a truck was about the only thing you could buy from Detroit that had a muscular V8 under the hood and didn't look like a jellybean. The 300C has proven that if you give Americans a real American car, they will buy it." No the truth is the 300 C is not some big sales success The truth is GM's V6 cars will out muscle their gas chuggin V8 trucks. The "jellybean" was a styling trend of the 90's, we could look back on the early 60's and call them all cardboard boxs if using the same mentality. As far as that goes I still do and always will feel GM had the most number of great looking "jellybeans" and I do not feel any of the cars Im talking about were any form of European or Asain copycats. Nothing more pathatic than people that look back on themselves in the past and have some kind of identity crisis over it. Every era has had its strong and weak points and each and everyone of them has a legitimate explaination. I do understand your point and meaning of your post, Blu. I'm just not ready to wave a victory flag, nor bury my head in the sand out of shame.

Oh get off it, "adequate". "10 years ago", show me any proof that a 6 speed is any kind of improvement. Show me the cost savings, in both production and for the consumer, then get me the rebuild expence. Its not a "notice" of superiority its uneducated folklore.

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Thats cool, new to me.

One can only look at what saturin has had to offer and ask if this is not because saturin customers are easily amused.....................

OK, here the gospel according to ..........what ever you prefer to call me at any givin time. Your seeing the tubular Camaro because the trailor is blocking the perspective of the flare in the fenders Camaro went more toward the European way of looking not vice/versa Mustang does look bad with top up. Very few rag tops look good This Aston looks OK This Astons top should be jet black or tan, not this washout black we are seeing This trailor has got to go. Astons should not be red, (neither should Corvettes or Camaros ) . Retractables are for children Adults like trunks (not an insult toward you Balth) knowing what I know about retactables now Im just not interested in the trade off Rag tops that look great up are - 71-75 GM B/C bodies, 124 Fiats(probably the best), Corvette, 1st G Camaro/Firebird Car that look decent - some other older GM's, XJS aint too bad, Alpines were not to bad, most of the old Brit roadsters for that matter but maybe thats because thats what we have always known them to look like (at least me, I realize some here think they always were $h! boxes). I think its some of the big cars that loose it with the big fat top, GM A bodies were awful in my opinion. Like the Cutlass. Long live the British automotive industry.................. ..........just like Olds.........yarite 2004 Aston Martin DB9 Volante

Check out the door glass and door shape. Nicely curved on bottom corners, but the way it meets the pillor is different and adds much to the car.

This is what I like, a bit of the old, tied in with a bit of the new. I wonder why everything has the huge steel intrusion into the rear glass these days. It doesnt seem like this one would'nt need the extra structure like the Colbalt and G6C do. It really screws up the looks with that fat dark band around there. Interesting Italian tailight tradition. Dont do any more than is needed. A bit of the Enzo tied in with old traditional Alfa grill. tall curvy fenders with a bit of an edge, very nice. Like a beautiful woman, like all Italian cars should look.

Yea, I can't believe they would be using that rear C pillor shape. Otherwise a car like this should probably sell well for them to the big money crowd. I also feel they need to find a new body style to work on. All these variations to the same basic shape dating back to the 1948 356 has been great, even into the 80's but now they've streached it through the 90's and into the end of this decade. For sports cars they have had many other great designs used for racing they could look back on for ideas. Its so bad now I dont even bother cruising the Porsches at car shows, nothing really stands out anymore. At one time they did but after the past 3 decades.......

Geeze Harley, I cant tell. First of all its Red, thats a No No. just screws up the whole European color code....... Then the trailor and the top up I just cant get a feel for it. We do love Astons though, When we watch the ALMS, Im rootin' for Corvette and my wife is rootin' for Aston. Suprisingly there were no new Astons at the Vintage Fest this year but the two we looked at last year were just stunning. I worry that Aston will not be able to move forward and improve, from a styling perspective, on what I believe is perfect just as it is.

Oh, and good luck to both of ya's............

So, mechanical then, not styling. Toyota is a great place for powertrain, they have been building excellent motors for decades, not sure about chassis stuff.......Id look to Lotus for that.. :AH-HA_wink: Industrial equipment is much more basic, mostly based on tonage, where more is better. Cat is still pretty smart on that diesel motor though. Todays heavy truck engines are hytec and really do perform better than just 10 years ago.

I wouldnt be waving any victory flag yet, GM is still in trouble, sales are not any better. The competition is still trumping them on every developement. Wagoner was and is still responsible for some unbelievably insane investments and losses as well as fistsfull of poor, late and slow decisions. Sloan and Earl they are not !

Yes, I am bitter but not for bitters sake. Just look into the history and accomplishments of saturin and then explain how it is they deserve any of what they have been getting, now or ever. Now Buick and Pontiac are sitting in limbo and saturin is getting the candy. Maybe someone would have to have been around when the big saturin campaigne was all over the TV screen..........but no car was ever seen. Then one day we get to see a car and I sit there dumbfounded thinking "you got to be kiddin me......right ?" "All that noise over ...........that !" I wasnt a GM guy at the time, just someone who had good taste in cars. Its like this. The big kids are out working the fields, their feet are coming out of their shoes, their clothes all ripped and wore, all while the little brat is sittin inside with a new clean white shirt, new polished leather shoes, suckin on a straw and layin all over the floor is its big pile of worthless tonka toys that never did a lick of work.

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So what is your main area of interest ?

See now, is it a big deal or is it not a big deal ? According to you, last week it was a really big deal. Now this week its not ? I'm just so confused....nearly...... almost......... speechless.........NOT !

By the late 60's early 70's they were insanely fast, all race cars for that matter. They needed to put a handle on that and did. I think both Nascar and LeMan's cars were doing upward of 220 on straights. The Porsche 917's were hitting 245 on Mulsanne straight.... , the FIA said "woa!".

now that was funny, I like more mystical or mythical stuff, deeper, symbolic messages from aged old tales, that definantly have nothing to do with rape. I had a rough draft of a song that included a passage about rape. I cant find my book, so I wont try to quote it. the title was "Profits for Pain"

no tone, serious and frank, could almost be used word for word Dont know "Cake" or goth or Emo for that matter either. Too old, Im out of the trend loop.