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Im not trying to keep this going, just a few things to say As a former smoker of some 30 years - 1. Croc - your wrong. Cigs have so many people in the hospitols sucking the healthcare system its pathatic. Its very costly treatment too. Kids do start smoking to be cool, or peer pressure which = being cool, and using the "keeps me calm" or however you worded it is a cop out. Nonsmokers dont need it, I never used that lame excuse when I smoked, I knew I smoked because tobacco had its fingers around my thoat, period, no other reason, addiction. Lastly I didnt interpret Blu as trying to start a flame war, he was simply stating your demeanor, if someone said the same about me I wouldnt think they were flaming me, simply stating the truth............ Now pay up, bitch !......... 2. The healthcare system is loaded with bottom feeders, so I wish loads and loads of second hand smoke and lead upon them ! 3. Im trying to imagine the world free of all the annual deaths everyone seems to think we need to eliminate. Cancer and automobiles - man only predator. Anybody remember learning about the cycle or circle of life...........well man keeps denying it. Live and let die. Dont get heavy on me over that one either, I lost both my mother and father to forms of cancer..........none were smoke related. Mom, brain tumor at 36 yrs of age and Dad at 67 from a form of aggressive lukiemia, cancer of the white blood cells. tic toc tic toc tic toc 4. Oldsmoboi - your wrong, leaded gas was far more of a problem than cigs to our environment. In fact I highly doubt our environment is affected .0001 % due to tobacco smoke. 5. However inside bans on smoking are appropriate and have been here in NY state for what seems decades. I never smoked in food establishments or inside around people, except bar rooms. If I stayed out late, however, I actually stopped smoking because the rooms would be choking and eye burning. Im glad they stopped this and smoking in work areas, its only fair..........key word...... FAIR 6. Where this fairness ends is when people are not supplied a smoking area at work or worse yet "no smoking on property"..........that is Nazism and I can think of many more things to get Nazi about............have I ever mentioned anything about our healthcare system ? ...........immigration ?...............woman drivers ............... 7. If our government is going to collect sales tax from tobacco, and income tax from the tobacco industry, its clear to me that they are the problem. Our government is always the problem because the are a bunch of slackers, the slackiest, (shhh, I think they have a ......union.....shhh) they dont look after the population of the country, if they did, tobacco would be illegal. By By RJ Renolds/By By problem, end of story! 8. I truely believe the "second hand" smoke thing is Bull$h!. You dont hear of nonsmoking spouse of a smoker having smoke related health problems. Maybe a non smoking bar tender back in the day, that lived in those bars their whole life, but, hey!.........dance with the devil.........bow before St. Peter.........

Well this has been my opinion all along but I was suprised to hear a Buick dealer make the comment. "Its too bad the Lucerne CXS is not available with the 3800 or the supercharged 3800, we would sell more of them" N* jumps the price too much for many of us. There is alot of trust in the 3800 and loads of respect for the L67 and its power/mileage ratio. Many people dont want the sloppy suspension but also dont want to go to $38,000 and the mileage of the V8 to get a better handling luxury car. To me a great problem exists in how the CXS is packaged. N* is the only way to get all the other aspects of the better car and so many people just dont give a hoot about how much power they have so long as it adaquate and the car handles well. AND that is the truth I would have had a hard time resisting a Lucerne CXS with the L67 or better yet the series III L32 (260/280) for around $30-32,000. The thing is, that engine has been redily available too, unlike the 3.6 [apparently]. The L67 is not some lathargic weezer that needs a silly 6 sp to be manly either But yes, not having the third engine option these past two years was a H U G E mistake ! It was there for the taking and woould have been little expence to make the wireing harness for the Lucerne to use it. Other than the harness its a plug and play powerplant in a G body. Way to go GM

saturin is gonna save GM...................just wait, you'll see.................. tic toc tic toc tic toc tic toc

OK, how did this................aura, make any car of the year list ? Did the 01 Aurora make any car of the year list ? The Aurora was 3 times the car. How would any car on the Epilson chassis make any car of the year list ? Maybe GM is onto something with this saturin thing. It just goes to show, as with Honda and Toyota, that people will go gaga over anything presumed to be new or special.................big question is.............is it ? really ?

Sleuth has been running reruns of the A team..............Except for the wierd, funny guy I just dont get the show. I suppose young teenagers at the time got a kick out of it. Mr Ts part is nearly irrelevent, guess thats what some of the jokes are about. He says little. Did he do much else ?

looks like something Ford from the 80's 97 - 01 was an improvement but no thanks the Z cars are the only exciting stuff to come from Nissan

Now hold on just a f@#king second...................I wasnt paying attention to this thread and I am sorry now. I didnt figure this was what your update was all about. i just figured it was a screw job on repair. You file with the attorney general pronto you file with the better business bureau you file a complaint with DMV you refuse any deal and demand the car home I know its home That car is your car, before, during and after the accident, it is your personal property. You only sent it for an estimate. It was driven in and not even towed. It does not become the property of the seconds partys insurance company because you simply dropped it off for an estimate. The estimate could have and should have been done right in your own driveway. That damage is laughable. That fender is even repairable if the need existed, which it clearly does not. It was barely moved out of alinement with the hood. No air bags were deployed. Holy $h!...... ......Im on my way to Florida right now and Im owning some ass ! Have I ever mentioned I hate the insurance industry ? I went through something similar that an adjuster wanted to do way back in 80 to my Alpine, we had it out right in their "garage". They thought they were going to get my car in a room alone................."f@#k no pal, thats my car and I go where my car goes, you wanna try that with my girlfriend ?" They were going to try to total it, because face it, it was 17 years old and according to "the book" only worth ? $300. But theres a sad truth to that "Mr Insurance asshhole look deeply into my eyes". "Its my car and I was driving it and it was in excellent condition and its a classic and you cant put me in anything comparable for less than 6000 dollars.............Got it ?" Now write me an estimate for the repair and repaint and Ill be on my way.............its MY f@#king car..........not yours!" "Your drunk client rearended me and must give me back what they took away and be damn glad thats all Im asking for" I began learning estimates for a while and we never cut pieces up or even removed them to do estimates. You can tell by looking and experience what needs replacement. Anything missed that the body shop finds can go in a supplement but thats rare. Usually you give benefit of the doubt on estimate. This was just last fall and we did estimates of far worse damage for less money and only two vehicals were totaled. An old Toyota becasue the air bags went off, and a new Van that was broad sided. We had to work very hard to try to total the vehical and it still did not make it. That thing was bad, I couldnt believe they would fix it, the owners did not want it. Somewhere out there today that thing is fixed and being drivin. Non the less bumper covers are not very repairable or even repaintable. Still they dont need to be cut to "figure it out". They have no right damageing your title over that minor damage to a perfectly good automobile and it is a rare classic whether they like it or not. Were not talking Ford Taurus here and that damage shouldnt even total a Taurus. Youve already volunteered too much and accepted too much. You just simply should have said "No, unacceptable, Ill be there to pick up MY car in one hour, it better be intact and ready to go. I bet they even scraped your registration and inspection stickers didnt they ? Never, ever leave an automobile alone with strangers, and never ever with third party insurance personal, especially with personal property inside. I pitty the more relaxed people that take their cars to "professionals" in good faith. The auto repair / insurance industry are only out corrupted by our very own government. So coming in second in trustworthyness to the Federal Bureaucracy should set off red flags and completely bypass the yellow. Im going to the shop to work on the Vaporizer

Thats a friggin mouse someone got creative on.

My father was accepting of the government machine. That in a way was his side of the fence. He had the same interest in outdoors and hardwork as me but knew it was a dead end road. So he did all the rough stuff on his time off and had a job that didnt fail him. I guess to sum it up, in what would have been his own words. He was more sensible. I had stubborn iron will. Im willing to bet most of the differences evolve around the different eras parents and children grew up in. He knew the hard life and wanted better. I had a reletively easy youth but wanted nothing to do with the stuffyness I saw in the "better". Today I pay the price but would never have fit in anyhow.

What a bunch of ugly, dull cars. Almost felt like I was in Escort/Alliance land, cant imagine someone having an interest in knowledge about those cars. Wasnt there a rumor floating around about Nissan having problems ?

Now, Im going to go kill myself

Hes alive and well, living with the Bush's..................

Its been highly noted that many early independant rear suspensions were not as good as rigid axel. I saw footage of 3rd generation Corvette rear suspension crazyness. They placed a camera and took it too the track to show what was wrong with how it reacted to curves and bumps. the tires were all over the place.Thats how the company knew what to do to improve on the problem. GM's bean counters have been a problem since late 50's according to one source I have. Always skimmin the cream off the top of the products. Making the engineers cut costs against their better judgment. Maybe thats how they survived.......or maybe thats what eventually brought them to their knees. A little of both I suppose.

Ditto _ Ive been meaning to ask this too. What item was it he was most concerned with ? Seems to me it had something to do with the rear suspension reaction or geometry. Im sure location of gas tank was picked at too, but many cars back then did not have tanks in the best of places.

I'll tell ya. My Mothers father lived to be 94 He retired from General Electric in 68 Then he rebuilt old farm houses for an older realestate man to supplement his pension until that man died. I think Grandpa was early 80's when that happened. He smoked a pipe and cigars most of his life but one day the doctor told him he better quit or else and he did. Later he had throat cancer and had it removed when he was in his early 80's For his remaining decade or so he puttered around in his wood shop and built this and that for the school, the local Churches, and firehouses and all us "kids". In the early 90's they build an addition to the local volunteer fire department and put it in his name. He was there throughout the construction. There was a big ribbon cutting and the state senator from our area came and presented him with a plaque to commemorate 75 years of community service. It took him 5 minutes to walk to the car or truck but he was still sharp as a tack in conversation, knowledge and skills. He was ornery............. Hard of hearing from the punch presses at GE. Otherwise perfect health. Died at Christmas time 1995 of old age, just went to sleep. I have a band saw he made back when he was young, everything but the motor and belt pulleys was hand built. I also have a oak desk he made when young too. He had many tools and such but when my Uncle asked me what Id like, I said those two items would mean the most to me. Some people know how to make the most of one life and my Grandfather was one of them. He had a whole second lifetime after his retirement. Case you cant tell - he was my "big guy" I wrote this for him and I after Grandpa did you think the boy might be just a little bit like you carvin' his way by the fruit of his hands Its not the path you take but the tracks you make on your way, once you get there that proves your worth as a man

So they took a new platform and put the same ugly profile on top of it ? thats OK ? but GM cant take an older platfom, upgrade it and put a better looking body on, and get away with it ? OK I get it now

I dont know enough about them Blu. Its a ocean mist green two door. Bench seat and I really cant remember if it was a stick..........but did they have an automatic ? I know its not a Corsa but there was a Corsa decal on a window somewhere. Which HP ? Monza ? educate me

Thanks Blu........thing is I wish he had of said something, its almost like I was right there. We must have talked 25 minutes that previous day infromt of my house. I had a lot of problems the past two years myself. Serious $h!. It just blew me away, I was surprised, myself by my own reaction..........see, it was to close to home. I would have told him to wait till another day. I couldnt even talk about it last year, now this new $h! triggered it all off again. It was medication, the wrong friggin medication. We should have smoked a joint and had a good laugh............"its cool man". Did I ever mention I hate doctors and the drug companies ? I dont think we need that stuff, we need inner peace and less intervention, not medication. But what do I know. Now I think about this kids brother, what is he going to go through, how can you ever get beyond that ? Let me guess Medication

First, this is a small town rural area, so this stuff is not just another day. Thursday after school, a 12 year old boy was killed when a 22 calibor gun his 13 year old brother had, discharged. No one knows the details. this stuff horrifies me. I just cant imagine what the older boys head condition could possibly be in. This was up the county road another 3 miles from where our town road meets it. My daughter is in school with their 17 year old son. A divorced family of four boys I guess, moved up here recently, living with their father. The family has left town, cant blame them. The news people were like flies on $h! Friday. If I was the Father and had no where to take my family, there would have been more gun play. F'in media ! What did they want to do ? Question the little boy ? Jerks ! This is the second tragedy in the past year. One year ago this fall our superintendant of highways took a gun to himself..........at the "town barn".......during lunch. I guess he had had a history of depression and was on medication. His medication was recently changed and he just "did it". So many of us were clueless that he was having problems. Only three days earlier I had an intense conversation with him. We had been having problems with the condition of our road and he and I had done a bit of harsh spittin and sputterin over the matter the past 5 years. Last summer they finally repaved our road and we were getting back on track with our relationship. When my wife came home and told me I went straight to my knees. Felt fairly responsible, latter foundout he had been having this problem for years, still I would have told him to just wait another day. I may have been the last person he had any form of deep conservation with. HE was a great guy and a good man for the job. He simply spend FEMA money to repair my washed out road, elsewhere, due to political pressures in a "high rent district" and I was steamed for years, waiting. Its just so heavy on me that he finally fixed the road and then said good by. I just didnt get it because everything was all better with us now. He was the same age as myself and we were both always hardworking labor types that knew where "each other was coming from". It still earks me ! I dont own , nor have ever owned a gun.

There is one for sale nearby. It looks like its all origional. From some time warp, just pushed out of storage. Its origional paint, origional interior. It does have some lower rust, not real bad at all. Cant speak for the undercarriage which must also be rusty. The interior is great except for the drivers back. Seat bottom looked great. Its licenced and inspected since July so apparently the brakes and all is working, so maybe the underneath is not too bad ? I just looked quickly at it from the outside and have not talked to anyone. I have a feeling its been in a barn or something, covered up because the old paint just looks like old paint, not trashed. The price is $1000 OBO. Depending on final inspection outcome this is potentially a very good price range, like $600 in my book. I know theres not many car restore skilled people that visit here but maybe someone knows someone that might be interested. Im not, I just cleaned house and still have too many cars and the Lancia is my main interest at this time. I must admit this Corvair is very very tempting, such a looker. This is the midstate NY area, near Albany.

Im working on that very same ideal right now............as you can see, Im not doing well.

Boy, I hope your not driving far. Ill agree with "never again", you cant buy back your life. Regardless of how good your gas mileage is :AH-HA_wink: I think Im up to 50 hours this week,so far, I know I had two twelves but one 8.75 and I forget the other two days but it sounds like tomorow will be at least another 7 or 8, its supposed to be 4 or 5 hours. Im going to make a Tshirt that says "Dont say, Saturday" or "I work on Saturdays At Home and on the seventh day I rest !" Be careful

Nevadas realestate is most likely quite high though, no ? Id love to be near the mountains but thats gotta be expensive living, like Colorado or am I wrong ?

I was talking to Croc, nothing more nothing less, we have had our own rocky or interesting relationship long before your little stinger started poking around to see how someone acted. K ? I have also had this type of characteristic of relationships my entire life, that is what I have posted to. I dont talk to anyone PM, not into the clique thing, you all can have your fun with that. Incidently the bull$h! happened after I asked "whats your point", identifiying it would have sufficed, not all the name calling, slander and buddy system. Its OK really, I had much fun with it, seems you did too.

Isnt Oregon where all the paranoids go to keep under the radar...........or was that over with a few decades ago when everyone figured out they were there, hiding in bomb shelters with lots of ammo................. An old girlfriend told me when they found the unibomber she though of me............ No! I dont have bombs or even guns just that nearly finished vaporizor. She was more talking about my attitude and reclusiveness in a humorous way. I dont know about Montana but Colorado and other Rockey States, I have been told,are over run with wealthy people that have drivin the cost of property out of reach of most the states natives. Much like NYCitites have done here in upstate NY. I imagine thats the same problem Balth and Camino are referring too. That is the same basis on which I have based my "one day we will all be in trailor parks" speach. Balance the scales brothers we are not the enemy or indentured servants, we are the ones that do the dirty work you do not want to do, we deserve our fair share for our contribution to socioty. Maybe if we could afford to live better you would not have to call us "white trash" "rednecks" "illiterate" or whatever other insults seem to suit ones fancy at any givin time. New Hampshire is a nice state but theres lots of money up there too and if you cant touch it you will be forced to suffer, same as in our areas. The very rural North of NH is really cool but Im not sure how to make a living there. Ive consider Alaska for decades, due to my interests, but now Im older and seem to have lost my cryptonite. I also hate blood sucking insects and while I have delt with them my whole life, Alaska sounds like an extreme I may not be comfortable with. Funny, but I was just posting on Canada and for some time I have considered the Canadian bush but once again, not sure how Id make a living. Texas, where its OK to be a "redneck" and a "good ol boy" and go to work and get "dirty", wear boots and cowboy hats and spit, swear and slap the ladies on the ass...................... Just kidin I dont know a thing about Texas but I will admit getting out of the "blue states" is beginning to sound like a good idea. To many people around these parts decideing that thier way is the only way, the whimpy way, the prissy way, the illogical way, because they went to college and some book said so. I prefer independant thought and observation myself.