ocnblu

You think I made up my brother's mother-in-law's Prius problem? My world is as real as Moltar's.

At least it's the top bunk.

blackstrap (molasses)

Bad news for hope of a return to on-time delivery. Good news for tow companies.

Teaberry

In essence you just capitulated to the fact that batteries go out and are prohibitively costly to replace. Also it sounds like you'll be holding on to your Flex until they pry your cold, dead hands off the steering wheel. Finally, some reason from you. It's almost surreal. AND... thanks for laughing. It betrays your inner core temperature.

And in so many ways.

garland

Not saying it WON'T happen, I agree with your whole post. I will continue to say it is not a GOOD thing. And I will continue to say it renders brands obsolete. It certainly weakens the argument that different brands are needed. This is gm. This is our life now. Get used to it. It is a complete erasure of all that came before, all the blood, sweat and tears, the champions, the icons, the men and women who believed in something. It's all gone virtual. Authenticity is a thing of the past. And with it, loyalty evaporates, because what am I loyal TO, exactly? If it's all the same, then I have no connection to it, no flag to fly. There can be no passion in this. It is completely sterile, it is a severance, a finality, a death, honestly. Now, before the same crew jumps up and points their fingers, I know this process has been going on for decades, but with the advent of EV it only hastens things. The 1973 trucks were, I believe, the prototypical experiment in diluting their brands, as Chevy and GMC were nearly identical, down to the engines. The 1975 H-bodies were an early example, as they all looked identical except for the tiniest of details. The Chevy engines in Oldsmobiles scandal was another. The difference is, customers SUED GM over that breach of trust. It MEANT something to people to save their money and buy an Oldsmobile over a Chevrolet. After that, GM's "corporate engine" disclaimer shielded them from people who had reason to be brand loyal. And with that, GM's market share began to dwindle. After cultivating it, encouraging it, nurturing it for decades before, General Motors rejected the idea of brand loyalty, and tried to instill corporate loyalty in its place. People were turned off by it. I will always remember this: when I was 14, and out working in the front fields of my grandparents' farm, I had an epiphany... General Motors would one day do away with all of their foundations, all of their building blocks... the brands that made them great. Everything they sell would be reduced to a simple GM badge. That vision chilled my teenage car crazy heart. And now it's really coming to pass.

I won't be able to get that done for ya. I am not that close to her, I only see her at holidays and that was before the COVID.

duh

??? wut...

IIRC, the car has 140k on it. Of course she went to the Toyota dealer for a price, which will be high... because shiny new Prius on sales lot!

It is hard to argue with Toyota resale value, and while it seems almost as bubble-like as Tesla's market value, it has endured in the minds of Americans for a much longer period of time. Toyota is a smart buy if only for general resale.

Well I mean... his mother-in-law has a Prius growing roots in her driveway because the hybrid battery died and she refuses to pay the price to replace it. It will eventually be junked. Which feels like what Barra is going for... after decades trying to shed the planned obsolescence rep, they're getting right back to it with their EV/smartphone correlation. Do they think 20-somethings will pitch tents and line up around the block for the latest version?

I prefer the mechanical aspect of automotive ownership, and all of the attendant, potential joys of it. It is a pitiful excuse to have to listen to an off-putting, droning hum, or worse yet, fart sounds, a la Tesla's tongue-in-cheek announcement.

Well yes but Tesla is high-priced junk... other problem I see is I see no truly small, affordable EV in the shadows behind the designer dude. Only hope they have is if Bolt 2.0 is truly inexpensive, and not just lease rates or taxpayer-subsidized, I mean actually affordable and appealing to the smrtphone crowd.

That was not actually anything to do with EV, that was me talking to myself in conflict over whether to keep my truck, which I am very well-positioned in moneywise, or get rid of it on principle and get back into a CUV of some sort, which means starting all over again. Again.

Pardon me, but you don't know my brother. He hates EVs almost as much as I do. One of the reasons he got it for his wife is so he can save money toward a half-ton Silverado Diesel. Payments on the Equinox are almost half what they were on the Tahoe (and with such high mileage on the '17 Tahoe it was probably good to get out of it at this point, even though the second owner will probably go another 100k miles and still keep good resale.)

I understand the 1.5EB 3 in the Escape/Bronco Sport (and possibly the 2.0, IDK) have artificial (V8?) engine noise piped through the speakers to mask the fact that these aren't the good old days. I'm on the verge of choosing a new vehicle (surreal: too many skid marks/pearls of wisdom in my Colorado already!) and it kind of hurts, but it will not be a gm product. I cannot give Mary money to spend on her hare-brained scheme. Bronco Sport 1.5 Big Bend 2021 Escape SE with Sport trim pkg 1.5 2022 Rogue Sport if it is not electrified 2021 Rogue 2022 Tucson 2022 Kona 2022 Maverick 2021 Compass 2021 Renegade Trailhawk If I could afford a V8 Durango, I would in a heartbeat. If Dodge made a small truck, I would in a heartbeat.

Drew, friend should have tested a 3.6L Wrangler.