K.C.

Great idea smallchevy. I think there are some great technologies coming that will improve mileage, lower emissions, and we can again have powerful vehicles that are worlds more efficient than they are now.

This post made me laugh so hard I almost peed myself. Good thing I have tremendous control over my bladder! Pontiac a legitamate comparison to Jeep? So GM should spend hundreds of millions of dollars to get rid of Hummer, which has huge potential to be a cash cow again as Hummers become small off road capable vehicles, and then spend hundreds of millions of dollars more to change the focus of Pontiac to an all truck division with superior off road capabilities? I guess that would mean changing their slogan to Pontiac is CAR to Pontiac is <insert new slogan here> I would vote "Pontiac is not true to its heritage" Hummer is not just the H2. The H2 will change or it will die with the upcoming CAFE communism. In development there are smaller Hummers coming. There are changes coming to the H3. There is the new 4.5 Diesel coming to the H2/SUT. There is no better established brand that competes with Jeep or Land Rover within GM's umbrella of brands. There will always be a market for people who want a vehicle that is superior off road. Sales will go down, as they should, because Hummers are not for everybody. Their purpose is to be bought by people who will use them for their off road prowess.

If it sounded like I deduced the whole brand to the wire wheel covers and stand up hood ornaments, I did not mean it that way. What I was trying to say was that the market has changed big time and that things are way different now than they were. Wow, we finally agree on something! I always wondered if there was anything we would agree on.

Julius

Do you prefer your weiners wrapped in something else?

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Smallchevy, I think you are taking what he says too far. If I am deducing correctly, FOG's basis for freedom is based on the Constitution and laws. I doubt his logic includes mass murder. Here's what I think is a misuse of freedom: Not letting someone have their opinion. Telling someone that their opinion is wrong. Not liking someone because of their opinion. Telling others how to spend their money in a free market economy. Thinking that your opinion is greater than other's freedoms and feelings. Oppresing others freedoms (which everyone does whether they mean to or not). I think its appropriate that this topic of freedom is in the Hummer thread since its original use was to protect our rights to freedom. The Hummer brand should live on in this legacy, just as Jeep has.

Love that line!

I've had numerous experiences about the same thing. Just pisses me off. People, in general, have been pissing me off lately. I try to be a nice guy, but when some tree hugger blocks my way at the supermarket and demands I give their organization $20 to support their cause that I don't fully agree with and then tries to pull a guilt trip on me, thats where I draw the line. They have the freedom to have their beliefs, then I should have the freedom to tell that skanky gunted bitch to get the f@#k out of my way and refuse to support her organization.

I guess its a midwestern or southern thing. I've seen them at county fairs and carnivals in the midwest. I thought that Nathans sold them at Coney Island. I haven't had one since I was a kid. I don't eat processed food no more.

I'm surprised. I thought Nathans sold Corn Dogs at Coney Island?

If Daddy was eating one, then he was born into royalty and, thus, deserved one.

As an aside, I think its interesting that gays, as an oppressed group, oppress each other with the twinks putting down the bears and the bears putting down thw twinks. There's really nothing wrong with each group, but I think there's too much emphasis placed on the differences between the groups.

Great post FOG. I completely agree with what you say. I like Hummer, Scratch that, I love Hummer. I never admitted it because I knew I would get backlash from other posters on here and I cared too much about being nice and not causing trouble, but this is America and I have the freedom to like what I want and should say what I like since this is an automotive forum and thats what others do. So I will defend Hummer, but my reasons for loving Hummer is not because they are fashionable, but because they represent something great about this country. Hummers have been used by the military just as Jeep did (another brand I love). Hummers are built to be the best off road vehicles on the market, and I think they are America's version of Land Rover. It's a paradox that I love nature and the environment in which I live. I love going way off road where there's no one to be found and viewing the beautiful of the Rocky Mountains, an H2 or H3 would be a great vehicle to have to get to see these remote areas of the country, but the cost of having a vehicle like this is a large, fuel gulping vehicle that gets 10-12 mpg. Many people are ignorant and only see what they want to see. I cannot respect groups of people who try to tell people what to spend their money on. I cannot respect groups of people who tell you what to believe. That is not freedom. I will one day have a Hummer, and if someone flips me off for driving it, then that is their problem. Anyone who keys my Hummer or tries to burn it better have more money than me to pay for better representation in court. I'll make sure they spend some time in jail and I won't rest until they are in jail, even if I have to put a security system on my Hummer with video. I have the means to do such and I'd do it. The more I realize how much people hate them, the more I want one. Ok, rant over.

It's obvious you only read half my post when I typed a paragraph about the purpose of the Hummer brand. I won't repeat myself because I'm not going to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Hummer isn't going to survive? There's never been any talk of killing the brand. One of the posters on here that works for GM says that Hummer will expand to include small, more efficient models. I doubt you know something he doesn't. GM is spending more on their core vehicles. I'm sure you've seen a midsize car called the Malibu, or the upcoming Traverse. Those are two core vehicles that GM appears to put plenty of coin into. From what I can tell, people are buying the Malibu since there are few dealer lots. And, of course, since the Traverse is not out yet, it is too early to tell if that will be a big seller, but I'm sure there are high expectations.

Looks worlds better than any previous Hyundai Tiburon. The front end looks too Lexus IS. Beyond that, Hyundai has learned in less than half the time what it took the Japanese to learn about the American car market. This car gives me a neo-Nissan 240SX vibe. I wonder if Nissan will respond with a competing model?

Very cool screenshot Lakefire. Thanks for posting that! The Targa really looks hot. Nice!

Ginormous

But you spent the majority of your cognitive development in Texas, which is west of the Chesapeake Bay. Now lets stop putting others down. That's just not right.

Aren't you from Texas? Yeah, thats what I thought. :AH-HA_wink:

puny

Alaska

Then blame the buyers who don't use them like they should instead of the brand. Because of a free market, buyers can buy what they want and use them for what they want. It's not the brands fault they they aren't used for their intended use. I am aware of the ad, but living in the mountains and seeing plenty of Hummers traversing the deep snow and seeing them off road, many buyers around here actually use them for their intended use, and these owners have used them for civilian rescue. Again, being used for their intended purpose.

Shouldn't let someone have control over whether you smile or not. Thats giving someone WAY too much power, especially if you've never met them. Now, back to cars. This thing is cool. Camino, its your day buddy. Enjoy it! I am rooting for the G8 and all its variations to sell well. I really like the looks of this. Now when do we get the Crew Cab GMC version?