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GM News: GM's Upcoming Electric Onslaught
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
Daimler had $26.775 billion cash to end 2019, GM had 23.243, thus Daimler has more as per Yahoo Finance.- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
Daimler has more cash than GM does. But all automakers are going to take huge hits this year, I suspect sales will go down 20% for the market this year. Daimler also can't push EV's out, they need them to avoid CO2 fines. And the EQ S and EQ E are already pretty deep into testing, they are going to be ready for production in 2021.- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
The AMG GT R Pro which is a front engine, rear drive coupe, same as a C7, is faster than the 755 hp ZR1. And I know it is faster because it had the record for front engine rear drive car. The 911 GT2 RS has like a 6:47 Nurburgring time which is also the old generation since the new 911 is out. Let’s see the C8 in the 6’s. All GM plants are closed now. So one wonders what delays will happen with development cycle of future product. And what production delays will occur, Corvette is done for 2020 orders.- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
Z06 won’t beat a 912 GT2, but they should set the ZR1’s goal to be Huracan or Aventador fast because those are old cars. Even if it means the ZR1 is $300,000. If Corvette wants to play with the big boys, that is where they are. AMG has a GT73 sedan coming, so they will beat their own 4-door lap record, they have a next gen SL73 that is a sports car not a retiree mobile that the current SL is (although I like the current SL, give me luxury over performance) and the next gen AMG GT coupes are all wheel drive so they’ll be faster than the current one. If the Corvette wants to play up there then bring it on, but if not then I don’t want to hear GM engineers saying it has super car performance when it doesn’t, at least not yet.- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
Not sure about luxury, but performance for price is outstanding because the C8 on the Nurburgring is very close to the Porsche Cayman GT4, faster than the GTS and faster than a base AMG Coupe, close to a BMW M4 GTS but way cheaper. Likewise compared to a Nissan GT-R which is slightly quicker but got stupid expensive. Most of the cars with C8 performance are around $100-120k and not $70-80k as most Corvettes would be. It is a win for the Corvette in that regard.- 282 replies
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OldsHurst, you claimed the Corvette was world beating performance and has world beating engineering. Put the C8 against a Huracan or 911 GT2 that can do the Nurburgring ring in 6:50 or less and it is a 40-45 second gap. The CT6 Blackwing should have had lap times similar to the C8. That should have been a Cadillac’s target if the car were still around. I think the Corvette has great bang for the buck, for $70k it is a hell of a lot of performance and the Corvette has always had great performance per dollar. But world beater it is not, nor should it be because it is a Chevy. GM should have come up with a super car above Corvette years ago, or at least should start now if they want to pump some life into the Cadillac brand. Otherwise Cadillac should abandon all performance and be the opposite of sporty like a discount Rolls Royce and build isolation chambers that float over the road and have self driving. And that might be a good play for the future.- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
The G-wagen is hand built too. Not sure if that matters at all for sales. Sure we can wait til it gets out. The C8 is slower than a Mercedes sedan around the Nurburgring. 1. The GM engineers didn't bring enough, I want Celestique to be faster around a track than a C8. 2. They might... 3. It's better than anything they did in the past, but it is probably like Audi Q7 level.- 282 replies
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It is a concept car, but it isn't even all that nice. Then you have issues of powertrain, which they could put 1000 electric horsepower and a big battery and solve that, but you still have to have a road pre-scan suspension that they don't have, you need level 3 autonomy which they don't have now. That is a lot to come up with in a fews years for a low volume product.- 282 replies
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One says Bentley on it for starters.- 282 replies
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Mercedes made the 770 in the 1930s and they made the 540K Roadster with a 1936 price of $68,000 or $1.25 million in today’s money. And one recently sold for $11.7 million at auction. And I am saying that Cadillac’s recent history even going back to the Allante gives no confidence that they can do a $200k car. Nothing about GM operates today suggests they would do low volume vanity projects when platform and parts bin share is the company mandate. And nothing suggests the public wants to pay $200k for a Cadillac when the CT6 and CTS got cancelled because they didn’t sell. And the CT5 is sub $37k now.- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
The A-class has nothing to do with the S-class. The S-class has been the best car in the world for decades, it justifies it's price. And S-class Maybach sales were up 10% last year. Cadillac is going into space they never went before, without any track record of winning in the lower segments.- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
I'd like to see what justifies a $200,000 base price for a Cadillac. When an Escalade starts at $75,000. And in time we'll see what they build, unless they cancel it.- 282 replies
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$3 million. My original point was about Celestique costing more than a Porsche Taycan or more than an AMG GT63, perhaps more than a GT73 hybrid which will be on sale by then. And that GM won’t allow Cadillac to make a sedan faster than a Corvette, even if GM engineers could figure out how to. So Celestique won’t have performance of already a available product. These leaves them with one option to win on luxury and have Bentley level interior but Cadillac hasn’t had a class leading interior in 50 years so how do they pull that off?- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
But the WLTP standards are tougher than US, so if the car passes in Europe it will pass here. And most of what Mercedes doesn’t sell in the US is a diesel or a wagon. Every model line is sold here, for cars anyway, not the commercial trucks and busses.- 282 replies
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“Wild Reports” And again they don’t have a supercharger in 10 years, and AMG has cut displacement over 33% from the 6.3 V8 of a decade ago. And all AMG 53’s are all mild hybrids and the 63’s are in the process of switching over, GLE and GLS already are. On February 10, 2020 they signed a five year deal with Ineos ( I thought it was 10) and Mercedes committed to 5 more years of F1 and I don’t know if anyone else is committed that long. https://jalopnik.com/mercedes-benz-confirms-its-commitment-to-formula-one-in-1841585529- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
Right. Mercedes isn’t selling in one country so they need to be all country compliant. And AMG’s sales and product management head said in November 2019 that the One is “first priority at AMG”. So it happening and the most important project they have.- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
The Corvette and Camaro can’t meet emissions in Europe either. Which also means they don’t pass in South Korea, India or Japan that also use WLTP. Why isn’t GM fixing that?- 282 replies
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They haven’t used a supercharger in 10 years. They went from 6.3 liter to 5.5 liter to 4.0 liters, and now they added mild hybrid system to the 4 liter V8 to help mileage and emissions. And they did that in a 10 year span increasing power and fuel economy along the way.- 282 replies
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The Corvette doesn’t meet the WLTP emissions standards that AMG One is trying to make. AMG wants this car to be world compliant, not a regional player. That’s old news, Mercedes said they will be in F1 for years to come. Toto said it and their CEO said it. They signed a 10 year sponsorship deal in February with a new sponsor. They are here to stay and if this season ever starts they are going to win title number 7, as preseason testing shows their car the fastest again and has dual axis steering that no one else has.- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
AMG One will happen, Mercedes is going to be in Formula 1 another 10 years that they committed to, so the R&D is already there. Also the Tesla will be heavy, the Corvette needs to lose a 1,000 lbs of weight and double the horsepower to even get close to an AMG One. I don’t know where GM engineers find 1,000 lbs to cut out of a C8 when the only way they know how add power is displacement and superchargers which adds more weight.- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
AMG One will be on roads in 2021, the car works, it hitting emissions that needs the work. I think they’ll beat the Tesla roadster to market and beat it in a track.- 282 replies
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It means they can engineer performance. GM has no performance SUV’s. How don’t you have a performance vehicle in the body style that is over 50% of the market and growing?- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
Well the GLS63 can do 174 mph although it bet it will barely break 8 minutes on the Nurburgring. I’d be curious to see it’s time, the GLC63 is the current SUV record holder.- 282 replies
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smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
Never read that article but it is very true. The only 4 seater that is going to beat the GT63 is the GT73 when it comes out. I would hope a top end C8 being a 2 seat, mid-engine car can beat a 199 inch long 4 seat sedan on a track. But AMG has the One to rule them all. When the C8 breaks the 7 minute barrier we can start to talk, but there are cars in the 6:40's now, they have a long way to go.- 282 replies
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