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  1. smk4565
    The 340i is priced near the CT5-V and G70 V6 and the BMW spanks both in performance, better interior too although not as nice as the C43 which is slower than the 340i but faster than the other 2. As far as G80 goes, the BMW 550i is faster than a Lexus LFA, CTS-V or CT6 Blackwing. So I’d expect a G80 to have that level of performance. I am not even saying Genesis needs M5 or E63 performance, that won’t happen, but they should be able to get to 550i level especially since they hired a guy from BMW to run their R&D.
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    2 good posts in a row and I think Genesis is aggressive and will have a 6 vehicle line that is pretty strong within a couple years. The SUVs will be key. The GV80 and G80 interiors seem very nice, new chassis, new engine, that is all good stuff. But they are also going against the German big 3 pretty much head on. You have to be on your A game and be relentless. Keep in mind Audi has an SUV that does the Nurburgring 12 seconds slower than a C8 Corvette Z51. Can Genesis get a GV80 near Corvette level performance? Lincoln Aviatior is a good case study for Genesis, they came in with standard 400 hp turbo V6, optional 500 hp hybrid. GV80 turbo 4 is priced against the 400 hp Aviator, the GV80 V6 is less powerful than the Aviator and probably with the right options mix the 2 could cost the same in V6 guise. But Aviator is getting smoked in sales by others in the segment. I’m not sure GV80 is an all out Aviator killer and it needs to be.
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    They make an M3. Europeans beating America on fuel efficiency again?
  4. smk4565
    Right but CT4 is a 1-series, A-class, A3 competitor. As Johan previously stated while there, Cadillac was going to go to that segment with rear drive when everyone else did front drive. And you can throw the Acura TLX in there, which is bigger than a CT4, but same price point.
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    Cadillac states the CT5 is a C-class, A4, 3-series, G70 competitor. On price the CT5 and G70 match up very closely, but the CT5 is the size of a G80. I think the G80 is nicer than a CT5, CT5 and G70 are about equal I think, depends on how big a car you want. I think the Cadillac will sell better as it is 1 car covering 2 segments basically and has more recognizable brand name and dealer network. On a side note a BMW M340i has a 3.8 second 0-60 time, that's not only a full second faster than a CT5-V, it is faster than a Camaro SS or Mustang GT. This is the big separator with the Germans and these other guys, the performance isn't there. Genesis isn't going to make a sedan that fast, let alone an M3 competitor. Cadillac at least has tried with the V-series to make some fast cars, but they could still do more, like V-series SUVs, etc.
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    Bringing it back to the G80, a good comparison would be to the Cadillac CT5. They are both the same size roughly. A CT5-V starts at $49k, Genesis has said the G80 will start just under $50k, so I'll assume that means $49k. So we have similar size and price with the Cadillac you get a turbo V6 for the price of the turbo 4 in the Genesis. CT5 tops out around $65k, G80 is supposed to go to $70k, so pretty close. So which car is better, CT5 or G80? Which car will sell better?
  7. smk4565
    An E200 bare bones E-class no options starts at 47,000 Euro or $50,800. That is still higher than a Cadillac XTS that had a high fleet %. Every company needs fleet sales to survive too.
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    So what is the cheapest E-class in Germany? I saw 49,000 Euro. Worldwide number is what matters, that is how Mercedes gets their money for product development. They don’t build a US only E-class paid for only with US sales revenue. Also how VW makes crazy money. Most don’t know the VW Tiguan and Golf both outsold the Chevy Silverado last year on a global number. They sell over 800,000 Golfs per year.
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    So an E, 5, or A6 start at $54k with zero options, which we know doesn’t exist and every is extra in a German car. Mercedes charges $200 for wireless phone charging which is ridiculous, for $54k that should be included. So what are those 3 transacting at? You get to $70k real quick while still with a 4-cylinder engine on those cars and 4-cylinder sucks for a luxury car so you need the 6, now it is $80k.
  10. smk4565
    The cheapest E-class in Germany 3 years ago was $53k, and that is for an E250 that we don’t even get here. E-class isn’t going anywhere, they sold 351,000 of them last year. Mercedes already paid the fine last year. And all automakers will be hurt by Covid-19.
  11. smk4565
    But the car starts at $36,895, so many will sell at $45-50k and the V’s will mostly sell upper $50’s. New cars often ship first with higher trims before they put lower trims out. But a loaded CLA250 is $53k, $65k for a loaded AMG CLA35. Most CLA250 will sell in the mid 40’s, most CLA35 will sell around $55k. Not far off from CT5 and that is a budget Benz.
  12. smk4565
    It is sold as a taxi because it is probably the longest lasting sedan there is. It also doesn’t change the price. We in the USA choose not to pay $60k for a taxi or police car. Volume is also a good thing, it means you survive. Unlike GS, Q70, RLX, CT6, MKX, Continental soon, etc. No volume, no longer here.
  13. smk4565
    The E-class starts $18k more than a CT5, and a CT5-V maxes around $65k, the E63 goes over $142,000 with all options and even I think the ala carte options list on a Mercedes is nuts, more of that needs packaged or worked in. And sure there will be a CT5 Blackwing, maybe that is $90k, but that is a far cry from $142k. And the G80 is a nice effort but no match for the E-class or 5-series.
  14. smk4565
    Every car has options, the CLA goes over $60k with all options. CT5’s will obviously transact around $45-50k. But options or no options, it is still an entry lux competitor, it isn’t in mid-luxury.
  15. smk4565
    What does CT5 compete with? What is the target market? Acura RL, RLX, Lexus GS, Infiniti Q70 are dead. E-class, A6 and 5-series are still going strong. Germans won that round.
  16. smk4565
    How would you like to compare CT5? Or what does it compare to? Cadillac CT5 is 194 inches long, $36,895. Toyota Avalon is 196 inches long $35,875. Is that the competition at this point? We have Acura TLX at 191 inches long and $33,000. Or 184 inch Mercedes CLA at $36,650?
  17. smk4565
    CT5 is a C-class competitor, the CT5 actually costs less than a C-class. CT6 is out of production. Genesis plans to go into the luxury sedan segment with reliability and low maintenance cost as their sales pitch, but Lexus and Acura tried that and failed. And Genesis has a less than 5 year track record so we don’t really know if their long term reliability is good.
  18. smk4565
    Just announced: Acura RLX is dead after 2020 model year. The so called "more reliable than a German car" Japanese brands have now totally left the mid luxury sedan market, Cadillac left the segment, and Lincoln will soon when the Continental dies.
  19. smk4565
    GV70 is coming soon, the prototype is in testing now, but it is a small, rear drive SUV like a BMW X3. It isn't as big as an RX350, nor is it front drive, which I think is for the better.
  20. smk4565
    Where Genesis is in 50 years doesn’t pay the bills today. The G80 is in a shrinking segment with no performance model and no hybrid and just 2 engine choices. It looks like a nice car but this brand changes styling dramatically every 5 years, G80 will probably look dated shortly after being on market and sales will slump after the first year. GV80 looks like it could be strong because that is a growing segment, Infiniti is dead in the water, the MDX is old, the XT6 is a weak entrant, Lexus GX is ancient. If they steal 500 sales a month from each of those and get 1,000 Hyundai/Kia trade up buyers, now they start getting 3,000 sales a month and have something going there.
  21. smk4565
    Mercedes built the first super car in the 1954 300SL, the best car in the world in the 1960s with the 600. And Benz invented the car and Dialmer/Benz were around over 50 years before ever coming to the US. Genesis doesn’t have 50 years as Asia’s premier car brand that is just coming to the US for the first time. These guys are starting from scratch like Lexus or Acura did. Out of the gate Lexus had more success than Genesis had. Lexus made an image, Genesis hasn’t, they don’t know what they want to be.
  22. smk4565
    Same rules apply to everyone. If you are going into a new segment as a challenger you better wow it. This is why the Toyota Tundra is a sales dud and the Detroit 3 trucks smash it. Tundra is dated, bland, no wow factor, no clear advantage over what is already there. Which is inexcusable with Toyota's resources. Even more so if you are launching a new vehicle into a shrinking segment. You have more room for error if you are going into a booming segment .
  23. smk4565
    I said I think the Genesis looks nice, they've shown the production car interior. I'd still like to sit in it to see it first hand. We don't have a full reveal of the S-class, so we can't judge it yet, and I said the same thing when the Escalade leaked out, I want to see the actual reveal. The G80 is a nice car, I think it is their nicest vehicle inside and out, but it is going to be a sales struggle because 20 cars came before them and failed, and Genesis isn't doing anything those guys didn't already do. CTS is gone. CT5 is also a C-class competitor. We can throw CT6 on that list too though. The G80's starting price is $5k lower than the CT6, and it is a smaller car. Is the G80 all that much better than a CT6? Especially when Cadillac has a 100 year old name brand and built in loyal buyers and a dealer network.
  24. smk4565
    Tesla is pulling the industry in an EV/autonomous drive/minimalist interior direction. The S-class will be far more luxurious than anything Tesla makes. And we haven't seen the final S-class interior, but what they seem to be doing it getting rid of plastic buttons which often look cheap in favor of a big screen.
  25. smk4565
    Dearly beloved, we are gathered here to day to remember those lost in their battle with the E-class and 5-series.... R.I.P. 1996 1997 2006 2006 2008 2011 2012 2012 2016 2016 2018 2019 2019 2020 All of them entered the mid-price luxury segment and all of them are gone. What makes the G80 any different from them? It looks plain, but I'd like to see the actual real version. But I think this minimalist styling with lots of screens is going to be the way of the future. And whatever the S-class does, the others will chase, the 2030 G80 interior will look like that.
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