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To launch a separate luxury brand would be costly. I think Hyundai is better off with everything together, plus having the Equus/Genesis helps brand image. Because their lineup is so big though, it could be a good idea to have two styling themes, as long as they are related. Veloster/Genesis coupe will have a similar theme, they have to tie the Genesis/Equus in to the other cars.

I had a rental G37 earlier this year. The interior had good fit and finish, everything fit together tightly. But the dash materials were nothing special, same rubbery/plastic stuff any car has, the metal trim looked real though. The leather was nice, similar to a Lexus. The CTS interior has more style and more going on, the Infiniti is simpler, sort of plain. The G37's party piece is the engine, the car can be a bit herky-jerky at low speed because it has a touchy throttle and brakes but when you want to go fast this car shines and that engine will rev to 7,000 or so rpm with ease. The problem with the G37 is it is good in sport driving, but not at much else, where as a BMW can do the smooth part and the sporty part, the G37 is rough around the edges car. But on the IPL model, why is it only 15 more hp? When you get an AMG or M car it is like 100 more hp. If they are going to do IPL, then this car should have 400 hp turbo or something.

I know who Cadillac is targeting, but I think it is a waste of time to do so, and it further hurts brand image of being a car for old people in Florida. And I know the entry-lux market exists of people that don't care about drive train or horsepower and just want a comfortable car, but those sort of cars can be bought for less than (or equal money to) a CTS, Cadillac is going to price the XTS higher than a CTS. I wouldn't mind this car as a Buick Park Avenue to give them an actual luxury car to sit atop their lineup, but I don't like this car as a Cadillac.

I think they mean flagship of the "Fluidic Sculpture" sedans being the Accent, Elantra, Sonata and now Azera. The Genesis and Equus don't use the same design language, although maybe they should.

I noticed that. I found it interesting that the XTS has a shorter wheelbase, yet longer overall length than my Aurora. The Azera is only 193 inches long, so a 112 inch wheel base is pretty good. The Azera is pretty weight efficient also, as most Hyundais are. I like the back of this car, it has a bit of Jag XF and Kia Optima look to it. The front looks a bit too rounded off and bland for me, but Avalon/Taurus/Buick shoppers like boring, so Hyundai is working the formula for this segment. And the fuel economy is very good compared to other similar cars. I like this car more than the Avalon/Maxima/Taurus/LaCrosse, but I wouldn't I still wouldn't buy one.

Same as I said about the MKS, hideous grille on the redesign, and the whole vehicle is ugly. There is no reason to buy one of these, unless you need a hearse and can't find another vehicle for sale right now. It is just so ugly, so cheap, it's bad.

Horrible redesign. I always liked the grille and headlight area on the MKS, and pretty much found nothing else about the car desirable, and now I find 0% of this car appealing. The grille is hideous looking, the car is too big, too tall, and the interior is all black plastic. That interior would look find in a Taurus or Fusion, but it is embarrassing in a Lincoln. Ford should just close this brand down, it is pathetic. I don't get how anyone would buy this car over a Genesis/300C/Cadillac or even used Mercedes.

The outside is boring, and it looks like it has no rear deck lid, the trunk is like 4% of the car's length. And what is up with the rear door pillar, then a tiny window, then a huge C pillar? And the whole car gives me a Chevy/Buick vibe, because of the shapes and design cues, especially on the dash board. And the height, it is almost 60 inches tall, why are GM and Ford making such tall cars? This car just doesn't say "expensive" or "classy" to me, although it is not as bad a train wreck as the 2013 MKS. 300 hp V6 is nothing special, acceleration will probably be similar to the Deville/DTS. AWD and capless fuel filling is off the Lincoln, we basically have a LaCrosse/MKS blend with magnetic ride control and a digital display (which they don't state if it is LCD, LED, or TFT). This lowers the standard for Cadillac.

I prefer these in white, but this one appears to be in very good condition. $40k seems reasonable, but I don't know what they are worth.

My guess is they set the base price around $47,895.

Looks like Lincoln took a tail lamp of a 2004 Jaguar XJ.

I am surprised more people didn't want to pay $40k for what appears to be a Corolla Hybrid, oh wait, no I'm not. (and I know it is an Avensis, but people that the Toyota dealer don't). What a terrible car this was. The CT200h is just as bad. A hybrid ES350, errrr ES250h, is a no brainer. Then they'd be expanding appeal of an existing product rather than making a whole new car to get 3,000 sales a year. Problem with Lexus is that they build a boring car for old people. Lexus cashed in big on the baby boomers, but that current lineup has little appeal to Gen X and Gen Y. One thing that kept BMW strong for so long is they can appeal to young and old.

Disagree, The styling of recent Lincolns has been fairly cheap. The body panels yes, because they look like they came off a Ford. I sort of like the first MKZ more than the new, but I actually like the front end and grille on the MKS. The rest of the car sucks though. But I don't see design language/theme as what holds them back, being a $40,000 Ford Fusion is what holds them back.

The interior looks a bit too Chevy Malibu for me. I don't see this as any better than Lincoln interior that you can feel the Ford coming through. That interior is no better than the CTS, which came out 4 years ago. I smell some price overlap coming.

XTS will probably compete with those 3 cars, but 2 of them are sales duds, and the ES350 is on decline. And the LaCrosse doesn't really compete with those 3 cars. The LaCrosse competes with the Taurus, Avalon, Chrysler 300, maybe the Maxima. LaCrosse originally started under $27k, now it is near $30k so figure a $30-40k price spread. The ES350 starts at $37k and is closer in size to a Regal or CTS.

I am not so sure China will eat this up, for one it is huge, and secondly, they don't buy that many Cadillacs. Cadillac sold 2,000 cars in China last month, half of those were SUVs. Mercedes sold 16,500, BMW sold 18,000 and Audi sold 27,700. Although with those Audi sales, it does seem that the Chinese like bland, boring, FWD and AWD sedans with stubby trunks.

FWD = Booooooooo. They better not go down that road again. They need something smaller and cheaper than the XF, but that should be a rear drive car with a V6, and 4 and 6 cylinder diesel options. The XF 2.2 diesel gets 50 mpg, they don't need crap FWD to hit a CAFE target. And Jaguar sells so few cars, they probably don't even factor in. Hopefully this is just rumor.

I am not a fan of the high belt line look in general, it sort of works on the Chrysler 300. But to me the MKS is a tall, bulky car, the Buick LaCrosse looks very tall to me also, the dimensions just don't seem right. I think the XTS will be the same. And big sedans don't have to look bulky, the Jaguar XJ for example is a big car and it looks sporty, athletic and ready to pounce.

500 lbs lighter = WINNING

Boring. I actually think Lincolns look decent, the styling isn't the problem. The problem is that their cars aren't that good.

I posted this in the other XTS thread and will post it here, as it appears as Cadillac has laid down a bunt with this car. Looks huge and tall like a Lincoln MKS, and the grille looks a lot like the STS, which is a boring car. To me, they make an MKS with a Cadillac grille, this is lame. I am not a fan of this trend to make headlights go back halfway over the hood either, and multiple automakers seem to be doing that recently. Looks rather slab sided with a high belt line, aside from the one character line they put in it, trunk looks short and stubby, that car is sad.

Buick LaCrosse Joseph Abboud!!! I mean this is 2-tone leather, suede headliner, and a leather wrapped dash, but the wood still looks fake to me. It looks more upscale than the regular LaCrosse, and I think some people will spend the extra for the trim package. However it could also be pushing this car to say $45,000, seems like a lot for a LaCrosse, but if GM can get consumers to pay it, more power to them.

I like this, it looks more upscale and current than the original. What I don't like about the current Genesis Coupe is the Tiburon look and how the hood sort of slopes down and the grille is small. This looks to have a more upright front end and it has a bit of the Ford trapezoid and a little bit of Nissan/Infiniti vibe as well.

In a velvet painting of Elvis sort of way...yes...I can agree with you. As real art, I will take the flower car. Well I wasn't thinking from a car art point of view, but if I had to turn a car into a boat to cruise along the 3 rivers of Pittsburgh, I can think of no car better than a nautical motif Town Car.

Looks huge and tall like a Lincoln MKS, and the grille looks a lot like the STS, which is a boring car. To me, they make an MKS with a Cadillac grille, this is lame. I am not a fan of this trend to make headlights go back halfway over the hood either, and multiple automakers seem to be doing that recently. Looks rather slab sided with a high belt line, aside from the one character line they put in it, trunk looks short and stubby, that car is sad.