smk4565

If front wheel drive and corporate platforms are good enough for the most expensive Cadillac sedan, then why not make the CTS off the Malibu platform, and the ATS off the Cruze platform. Where does it stop. If Cadillac replaced the current CTS with a car built on the Regal/Malibu platform and gave it a turbo 4, everyone would cry bloody murder. Yet when Cadillac makes their top end sedan with that formula, people defend it. I don't get it.

Does it have voice commands, park itself, have self closing doors, self closing trunk, Split-view Nav screen, 1000+ watt 7.1 surround sound, does it detect sleepiness from the driver, tell you what the speed limit is, adjustable ride height, adjustable suspension settings, adjustable throttle settings, adjustable transmission settings, adjustable steering effort, LED headlights, night vision, refrigerated glove box or rear refrigerator, power reclining, massaging, heated and cooled seats at all 4 positions, HVAC that works while the car is off via solar power, double pane windows, can you set how many seconds the light over the license plate stays on after the ignition is turned off, 8-speed transmission, V8, aluminum or carbon fiber chassis and body, etc. This car is far from a technological tour de force, it is competitive with a Lexus ES or even GS (which is dated) and a Lincoln MKS or an Acura, but this is far from S-class level technology.

I would agree. A lot of thee iDrive copies are similar, even cars like the Focus have systems like it, and I don't know if any particular one is good enough to sway a car buying decision. Cadillac should focus on tier one brands, even Cadillac said that is what they want to be, so they need to put their money where their mouth is. I disagree a little on whether there is a market for this car, there still is, but I think it is quickly diminishing. This flavor of car works under $40k, the Lexus ES, Avalon, LaCrosse, etc sell in decent volume. However, the MKS sells worse, the Acura RL even worse still, because no one wants to pay $50k for an Accord. I think $50k for a Malibu/Impala/LaCrosse is a tough sell also.

Agreed. Especially when Cadillac is not a luxury leader, they sort of far back in the pack globally. If they want to move up the ladder they need to aim way higher. And at least the 1989 Deville had a V8, not the engine from a Chevy Impala.

Not cause the driver to smash into a power pole trying to figure out how to switch XM stations. You can keep rationalizing all you want but this car is quite ahead of the competition. Maybe it won't be ahead of a BMW 5 on the Nurburgring, but it'll be so much more pleasant. Many of the other luxury cars with driver interface systems either have secondary controls or voice command. And I don't see many German sedans wrapped around power poles. So that doesn't really answer my question as to what CUE does, that MMI/COMMAND/iDrive/MyFordTouch don't already do.

What does CUE do that MMI, COMMAND, iDrive and MyLincoln touch don't do? And reconfigurable instrument cluster is nice to suit needs of different drivers, but it has been done before, and I still prefer real gauges to a screen.

The technology on the 98 Seville was probably greater than the average car than the XTS technology compared to the average car. A lot of cars now have blue tooth, lane departure warning, parking aides, back up cameras. Radar/Lasar cruise control is fairly common among luxury cars, magnetic ride control is what sets the XTS apart from an average car, but the 2002 Seville had MagnaRide, and Acura, Audi, Porsche, BMW, Corvette and Ferrari use a form of magnetorheological suspension.

I want to make a comparison. 1998 Cadillac Seville 300 hp 295 lb-ft torque Wheelbase: 112.2 inches Length: 201 inches Width: 75 inches Height: 55.4 inches Weight 4001 lbs XTS: 300 hp 264 lb-ft torque Wheelbase: 111.7 inches Length: 202 inches Width: 72.9 inches Height: 59.1 inches Weight ??? lbs 14 years later we have a taller, narrower Seville with less torque. How exciting.

City cars will become popular be cause of population boom in urban areas. China and India combined have about 2.5 billion people, I'd want a car I can sell to those markets and to the cities that have populations of 10 or 20 million people.

This car is good for its purpose, I like it more than most in the segment. For the people out there that wants something a bit larger or bit more luxurious than the mainstream sedans this car fits the need, and it isn't overly huge like a Taurus, it is actually smaller than an Accord. And with the Impala being terrible, Regal, Passat and Maxima tuned for sport, the Azera fits in nicely.

To launch a separate luxury brand would be costly. I think Hyundai is better off with everything together, plus having the Equus/Genesis helps brand image. Because their lineup is so big though, it could be a good idea to have two styling themes, as long as they are related. Veloster/Genesis coupe will have a similar theme, they have to tie the Genesis/Equus in to the other cars.

I had a rental G37 earlier this year. The interior had good fit and finish, everything fit together tightly. But the dash materials were nothing special, same rubbery/plastic stuff any car has, the metal trim looked real though. The leather was nice, similar to a Lexus. The CTS interior has more style and more going on, the Infiniti is simpler, sort of plain. The G37's party piece is the engine, the car can be a bit herky-jerky at low speed because it has a touchy throttle and brakes but when you want to go fast this car shines and that engine will rev to 7,000 or so rpm with ease. The problem with the G37 is it is good in sport driving, but not at much else, where as a BMW can do the smooth part and the sporty part, the G37 is rough around the edges car. But on the IPL model, why is it only 15 more hp? When you get an AMG or M car it is like 100 more hp. If they are going to do IPL, then this car should have 400 hp turbo or something.

I know who Cadillac is targeting, but I think it is a waste of time to do so, and it further hurts brand image of being a car for old people in Florida. And I know the entry-lux market exists of people that don't care about drive train or horsepower and just want a comfortable car, but those sort of cars can be bought for less than (or equal money to) a CTS, Cadillac is going to price the XTS higher than a CTS. I wouldn't mind this car as a Buick Park Avenue to give them an actual luxury car to sit atop their lineup, but I don't like this car as a Cadillac.

I think they mean flagship of the "Fluidic Sculpture" sedans being the Accent, Elantra, Sonata and now Azera. The Genesis and Equus don't use the same design language, although maybe they should.

I noticed that. I found it interesting that the XTS has a shorter wheelbase, yet longer overall length than my Aurora. The Azera is only 193 inches long, so a 112 inch wheel base is pretty good. The Azera is pretty weight efficient also, as most Hyundais are. I like the back of this car, it has a bit of Jag XF and Kia Optima look to it. The front looks a bit too rounded off and bland for me, but Avalon/Taurus/Buick shoppers like boring, so Hyundai is working the formula for this segment. And the fuel economy is very good compared to other similar cars. I like this car more than the Avalon/Maxima/Taurus/LaCrosse, but I wouldn't I still wouldn't buy one.

Same as I said about the MKS, hideous grille on the redesign, and the whole vehicle is ugly. There is no reason to buy one of these, unless you need a hearse and can't find another vehicle for sale right now. It is just so ugly, so cheap, it's bad.

Horrible redesign. I always liked the grille and headlight area on the MKS, and pretty much found nothing else about the car desirable, and now I find 0% of this car appealing. The grille is hideous looking, the car is too big, too tall, and the interior is all black plastic. That interior would look find in a Taurus or Fusion, but it is embarrassing in a Lincoln. Ford should just close this brand down, it is pathetic. I don't get how anyone would buy this car over a Genesis/300C/Cadillac or even used Mercedes.

The outside is boring, and it looks like it has no rear deck lid, the trunk is like 4% of the car's length. And what is up with the rear door pillar, then a tiny window, then a huge C pillar? And the whole car gives me a Chevy/Buick vibe, because of the shapes and design cues, especially on the dash board. And the height, it is almost 60 inches tall, why are GM and Ford making such tall cars? This car just doesn't say "expensive" or "classy" to me, although it is not as bad a train wreck as the 2013 MKS. 300 hp V6 is nothing special, acceleration will probably be similar to the Deville/DTS. AWD and capless fuel filling is off the Lincoln, we basically have a LaCrosse/MKS blend with magnetic ride control and a digital display (which they don't state if it is LCD, LED, or TFT). This lowers the standard for Cadillac.

I prefer these in white, but this one appears to be in very good condition. $40k seems reasonable, but I don't know what they are worth.

My guess is they set the base price around $47,895.

Looks like Lincoln took a tail lamp of a 2004 Jaguar XJ.

I am surprised more people didn't want to pay $40k for what appears to be a Corolla Hybrid, oh wait, no I'm not. (and I know it is an Avensis, but people that the Toyota dealer don't). What a terrible car this was. The CT200h is just as bad. A hybrid ES350, errrr ES250h, is a no brainer. Then they'd be expanding appeal of an existing product rather than making a whole new car to get 3,000 sales a year. Problem with Lexus is that they build a boring car for old people. Lexus cashed in big on the baby boomers, but that current lineup has little appeal to Gen X and Gen Y. One thing that kept BMW strong for so long is they can appeal to young and old.

Disagree, The styling of recent Lincolns has been fairly cheap. The body panels yes, because they look like they came off a Ford. I sort of like the first MKZ more than the new, but I actually like the front end and grille on the MKS. The rest of the car sucks though. But I don't see design language/theme as what holds them back, being a $40,000 Ford Fusion is what holds them back.

The interior looks a bit too Chevy Malibu for me. I don't see this as any better than Lincoln interior that you can feel the Ford coming through. That interior is no better than the CTS, which came out 4 years ago. I smell some price overlap coming.

XTS will probably compete with those 3 cars, but 2 of them are sales duds, and the ES350 is on decline. And the LaCrosse doesn't really compete with those 3 cars. The LaCrosse competes with the Taurus, Avalon, Chrysler 300, maybe the Maxima. LaCrosse originally started under $27k, now it is near $30k so figure a $30-40k price spread. The ES350 starts at $37k and is closer in size to a Regal or CTS.