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It will be new to them. Also if it is as good as we hope a delay will only generate more interest in the car when it arrives. Either way they drop it now they will drop an old CTS on them that is not intune with their market and only an idiot would drop a single model on their market. GM needs to do this right and there will be a need for each model dropped to be intune to the wants and needs of the Euro buyer as of now only the CTS wagone is anything close to their wants. Also they will need at least two or 3 models when they try again and I don't see the XTS being one of them. Thus the problem with Cadillac's lineup. They can't sell an Escalade or XTS in Europe, I doubt the SRX would sell much even with a diesel or hybrid. So they are left with the ATS and CTS only, and the CTS has already failed there in both generations. It will be hard to have both the ATS and CTS fresh and good enough to break into Europe and steal buyers from the Germans. It is possible, but very difficult to break in.

Dropping 3 cars at once makes sense so they can make an impact and have a selection of models for customers to choose from. The only risk in waiting too long is introducing an ATS that is already old to a group of buyers that are tough to win over.

Probably not too serious since a diesel wasn't already announced.

Boring car and it seems to be the same specs as before. Although the new one is ugly and boring, the old car was just boring.

No, this will only be true of corporate bread 'n butter models under those price points, like the Fusion and Malibu. While I agree a turbo-four will never have the sound and feel of a V8 engine, I don't think reasonably-priced V8 cars are going to go the way of the dodo bird. Yeah, they'll offer one V8 in one car as an option. Sorry to kill your chubby, dude, but Hyundai isn't going to just up and build rear-wheel drive, V8 Sonatas any time soon. You're also forgetting Chrysler builds the 300, Charger, and a Challenger all with reasonably priced V8 powertrains (that probably aren't going to go anywhere when the next-generation debuts). Well if a Cadillac ATS has a 2.5 liter four, wouldn't surprise me if the next Camaro has one too. To get a V8 sedan at GM you need to go to a CTS-V, and they may price a V8 Camaro high to push the smaller engines. Chrysler offers V8s now, but I wouldn't buy a Chrysler/Dodge and the Hemi makes about 365 hp, a number that a turbo Pentastar V6 could achieve, so post 2015 who knows what they do. Ford/Lincoln has the Mustang GT, but I think an ecoboost 4 is coming to that car as well. The American V8 is dying sadly. Hyundai has two V8 sedans, hopefully the new Genesis Coupe gets it also. Kia may get that V8 also.

I don't think performance is going away, but 4-cylinders are becoming the norm in cars under $30k, even $35k. And I am someone that likes the sound of a V8, I don't care if they can get 300 hp or more from a boosted 4, it won't sound like a V8. Hyundai I think will continue to offer V8s (at a reasonable price), they don't have any trucks or CAFE killers, so it should be easy for them.

True but if you go back 10-15 years, a Lumina/Impala, or Buick, Pontaic, or Olds probably had a 3800 with 200 hp, 225 lb-ft. The 2.5 liter four may hit the 200 hp mark, but probably more like 180-190 lb-ft or torque. I see the 2.5 liter being the new 3800 in a sense, where it is used on all mid-size sedans and crossovers like the Equinox. So there hasn't been a drop in power, just cylinder count, but cars of 2015 seem like they will have the same power as those in the late 90s. Compared to say 1985 to 2000 when power really went up.

Oh, just enjoy the power in any of these cars while you can... It seems like 2015 will be a repeat of the 1970s when power just gets zapped from every car.

Even Buick will also have 3 sedans with FWD and 4-cylinder. And you figure the CTS and Camaro will get a 4 cylinder standard on the next generation, GM will be very heavy on 4-cylinders in a couple years. It is sad to see the V8 and now even the V6 getting pushed aside.

Cheers from a show car point of view, but those things are too big for daily drivers. Unless you live out in the middle of no where. On a side note we've come a long way in 20 years, when a 5.0 liter V8 made 170 hp. Now a 4-cylinder makes that. Maybe 20 years from now a 4-cylinder will make 400 hp.

Part of making the ATS a desirable car though is putting good parts in it. From the 3rd chapter of their Facebook videos it will have Magnetic Ride control, obviously a lot of Nurburgring work has gone in, so it is a purpose built sports sedan. Therefore I think it should have the best engines GM has to offer, I'd like to see an 8-speed too, but I know we won't. I also hope for good wheels and interior content. My fear for the 2.5 is that it will be paired with crappy wheels and a stripped down interior.

Yawn. When you start off with new fascia and fog light design as the features, there isn't much exciting.

I've actually never complained about Cadillac fleet sales, and obviously they have always had "black car" and limo/hearse sales and sales to rental companies. My complaint about fleets was on cars like the G6 and Impala that were out-dated and just dumped. And they produced super low end models especially for fleets. It is the low power engine, plastic wheel covers, no content models that hurt resale values of a model.

So why hasn't Cadillac been able to sell cars in Germany (or any part of Europe)?

I don't see the 2.5 liter getting better mileage than the 2.0T, so that is why I think it is pointless to offer a weaker and possibly less fuel efficient engine. The 2.0T should be able to be 33-34 mpg highway. If there was to be a 3rd engine choice, then it should be diesel or hybrid that pushes MPG into the 40s. Then maybe you sacrifice performance, but have over 40 mpg to compete with the other eco luxury cars. And if we are doing small/medium/large for engines, why not 270 hp, 318 hp V6, 375 hp turbo V6, then the V-series. Let's bring out the big guns.

The E400 hybrid makes a lot of sense, I think that will sell at a better percentage than the S400 hybrid does. E-class is mainly a V6 car, the hybrid could be an appealing option to the typical E-class buyer. My guess is the diesel-hybrid is for Europe, I'd be curious to see a hybrid on the Bluetec V6 though.

The Volt's top speed is 100 mph.

I don't want Cadillac to copy Mercedes, they obviously have to create their own identity. But I do wish Cadillac would operate globally like Mercedes does and achieve a high brand image that allows them to have pricing and profits like Mercedes has. E-class fleet sales exist mainly in Germany, and they don't hurt Mercedes there. It isn't like Mercedes is only a volume brand, they make more profit than GM does. If the E-class or the brand image was so flawed, it wouldn't have the success it has, and Mercedes as a whole is growing at a strong rate. Cadillac's strategy better not be "wait for Mercedes to drop to our level." Cadillac needs to go up after them, because in the process they should be able to crush Lincoln, Acura, Lexus and the middle of the road luxury brands.

Time to close up shop.

I don't think Cadillac should have Mercedes' sales volume, and Mercedes hasn't really "moved down market." Mercedes vehicles are usually the most expensive in the segment. C-class was their top seller in 2010 at 310,000 units, but they sold 302,000 E-classes. A-class and B-class combined were 222,000. That is their only down market car, but their competitors in Europe and China offer cars in the same class. I want Cadillac to emulate the C, E, and S-class, build a convertible/sports car, and a rear drive crossover. And to have profit margins close to those of Mercedes. Then I want to see Cadillac sell globally; Europe, Australia, China, Russia, South America, Middle East, South Africa, etc. with enough volume to keep them in business in those markets. Cadillac has to be global, if not they risk becoming Lincoln or Acura.

Daimler has a lot of brands and builds a lot of trucks, buses, vans, cars, etc. Mercedes-Benz car division though is very successful and I'm sure any other luxury car maker would want their success. Sure Mercedes has made mistakes, but right now they are the strongest they have been in 125 years and sitting in a really good position. Cadillac has some work to do to get to that level. But Mercedes trucks are the best too, the Actros just won international truck of the year for the 4th time!

Mercedes is set to sell over 1.25 million cars this year, a record for them. And they are spending $5 billion to expand the factories in China and Alabama to prepare for future growth. They are the model of what others want to be. If Cadillac wants to be like Mercedes, and not like Lincoln and Acura, they had better bring out the big guns on every product and plan globally.

They should dump that too. 2.0T can make the same power, but offer better mileage. The A6 and 5-series do turbo 4's, so the CTS certainly could. I'd like to see a supercharged 3.6 liter V6 offered in addition to the regular 3.6.

The 2.5 liter to me seems there to sell to rental companies, so I would be put off by that and the potential for it to drag down resale values of the higher level ATS. Although on the plus side, for someone looking to buy a used ATS, it could be a good deal on a V6 model.

They could do the 4-cylinder and eAssist as standard in the Imapala and LaCrosse. My thinking is though that both are rather large and heavy, especially if the Impala is bigger than the LaCrosse. So I would think a turbo 4 is better suited, even if it is 230 hp. eAssist may be needed to hit CAFE though, so I understand offering it. And V6 should be offered in Impala and Lacrosse. The Malibu can be 4-cylinder only, as long as they offer a turbo.