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Mini is a dead in the water brand. The 3-series still sells like gang busters, so luckily they have that. I assume those sales are the new 7-series, S-class is killing it.
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I think 2,000 a month is the ceiling of GLA and CLA. Traditional Mercedes buyers won't buy them, so those are being used to pull in new buyers or maybe get someone into a Mercedes rather than an Acura, Volvo or VW. The GLC will sell well, people like crossovers and the GLC looks like a winner. GLS refresh is coming soon, the GLE is selling, they are getting that crossover line in order which bodes well for 2016.
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I think they'll get 500 sales a month, mostly stolen of the XTS, with this price. Cadillac had to price it low.
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Pretty pathetic that Audi and Porsche were doing this also. Audi and Porsche claim to have such outstanding engineers, you'd think they could have designed an engine that could legally meet emissions requirements in a cost effective way. Interesting that Audi was pushing diesel as the future, as Mercedes is going to plug-in hybrid, and Mercedes was historically the biggest proponent of diesels. I hope VW group takes a big hit over all of this. The one sad thing is diesel engines in general will probably get a real bad reputation, and that is a shame because the diesel technology (done the right way) is pretty good.
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Olds and Pontiac are never coming back. Although "Aurora" is the only name from either brand I think Cadillac could use, because it is a good sounding name, it had a short run at Oldsmobile, and was originally used for a Cadillac concept car. Cadillac doesn't really have enough names to cover all the models, so they have to invent some new ones, or recycle some from dead brands. I think they'll stick with the alphabet soup names until Johan is gone.
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Amen. I'd even say you could use the "Aurora" name plate to replace ATS so you have the classic names for the larger cars.
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The CT6 is the gen-1 CTS but a class up. The original CTS was 5-series size, 3-series priced and was knocked for being a tweener. This is 7-series size, but 5-series price, so you get a big car, but not the luxury or tech or V8 of a 7-series, you basically get the interior of a 5-series with a longer wheel base. I just don't see the appeal for a car this big with this engine mix. If 300-400 sales a month is their goal I guess they'll be happy, but then they put a lot of money into this car for not a lot of return. Not like you have a huge margin when CT6 is the only product on this platform and isn't selling for a really high dollar amount.
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E-class will have a better interior, and probably only give up like 3 inches of rear legroom, which to the old folks that buy these cars and don't even use the back seat, it probably won't be an issue. We'll see if the CT6 carves out a niche, but if you want a driver's car, then you'll buy a CTS or 5-series or other mid-sizer. So CT6 is just a bigger CTS, you aren't really getting more power or luxury, just space, and the CTS isn't really a small car, it is as big as the 2005-2009 STS was.
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The 2017 E-class will compete well with the CT6 as far as what Mercedes it would be closest to. Not sure what the point of having CTS, XTS, CT6 all in the $44-55k base price range, that is a lot of overlap there.
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There hasn't been an S350 since 2013 model year. And a 2016 S-class does not do 0-60 in 7 seconds. Outside of Europe Mercedes went to the plug in hybrid to replace the diesel for the fuel economy model, seems like that was a good idea in light of the VW scandal, and the plug in technology offers better fuel economy and acceleration than the diesel did. And the CT6 is priced below the Kia K900 and Hyundai Equus, so we know where Cadillac has placed the target and it is not on the S-class, so it doesn't really matter.
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Pretty aggressive pricing on the CT6, but I figured they would want to price it close to the E-class. I still don't get why the 2.0T is in this car for $2,000 more buyers get a V6 and AWD, no one is going to buy that 2.0T model anyway, it shouldn't even be there. The twin turbo V6 price seems good, but $84k for the Platinum seems steep. I wonder what a Platinum has over a twin turbo model that makes it cost $19,000 more. CTS pricing is messed up, too many trim levels, and too may trim levels on the different engines, and it is just confusing to figure out. They try to make the CTS look cheap with the $44k base price, but as mentioned a V6 becomes $55k which is what a CT6 V6 costs. And then they have Luxury, Performance, Premium trims, but it isn't clear what is better or what packages include the other. Why not just offer base, a stand alone luxury package and a stand alone performance package and let buyers pick neither, one or both packages.
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The performance numbers for the Camaro are pretty awesome, those are Corvette Z06 numbers from 10 years ago, and pretty much Corvette Stingray numbers of 2015. The Camaro offers some legit performance. I just wish the 6th gen didn't look so much like the 5th gen car.
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And the S350 is a diesel, which isn't sold in the USA in this generation of S-class. Diesels are obviously made for fuel economy before 0-60 time. I think CT6 is more of a Hyundai Equus/Kia K900 competitor anyway.
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Base S-class in the USA is 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. S-class also offers a V12, game over to all the non-V12 cars. Without a V12, you are in the 2nd tier.
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Sliding doors are a good idea in tight spaces. I bet it handles like it is on rails with that low center of gravity.
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Maybe they should put a 2.0T in the Corvette, it weighs even less than a CT6!
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Back in reality, low entry cost is what is important for Black Car service in NYC (or any city). The Plug-In hybrid model is doing to be pricey. The S and E classes I see being used a luxury taxies are all pretty base as base gets. Note: I'm not talking about privately owned vehicles with a chauffeur, I'm talking all of the S-Classes I see with T&LC plates. The S550 plug in gets 58 MPGe and 26 mpg combined city/highway when on gas only. Pretty good for a large luxury car, that could cut down on fuel cost. The 2016 CTS 3.6 is 22 mpg combined, the 2.0T is 24 mpg combined. The 2.0T is only 1 mpg better on the highway and 2 in the city than the V6. That isn't really drastically lower operating cost. And as far as base price, a turbo 4 and a V6 probably cost about the same for GM to make, we can't be talking about more than a few hundred dollars on the price of the car. I just don't see the point of the 2.0T engine in the CT6, it makes it feel bargain basement from the start. Plug-in hybrid 4-cylinder I am all for, you can sell it to the green crowd.
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Diesel or plug-in hybrid would make more sense for livery or high mileage use than a 2.0T. If it was being used in NYC as a chauffeur car, the plug-in hybrid would be the way to go. If the 2.0T was a 40 mpg car I would see the point, since it will get like 30 mpg highway I don't see the need for it.
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The E250 gets 42 mpg, so you trade performance for that. The 2.0T engine doesn't really yield any great fuel economy improvement over the 3.6 V6, especially if you have cylinder deactivation or start/stop on the V6. That is why I wouldn't even use the 2.0T in the CT6. Also to note the new E-class goes on sale in 2016 which is dropping 200-300 lbs from the current car, and new inline six engines. Bye bye Mercedes 3.5 V6.
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5 engines for 500 sales a month. This is not the path to high profit margins. Although they are off the shelf engines for the most part, so perhaps it does not matter. I think that 4 cylinder model has to be cheap, full size luxury sedan buyers don't want a 4-cylinder engine any more than full size pick up truck buyers would.
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Nice! Way cooler than a Volvo.
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Cadillac News: Rumorpile: A More Potent Cadillac CTS-V Is Incoming
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Cadillac
A bit of a build quality and interior difference between a Charger and an E-class. But my comparison was for a car with 130 hp less, it is still faster because of AWD. CTS has a sales problem. -
Cadillac News: Rumorpile: A More Potent Cadillac CTS-V Is Incoming
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Cadillac
Charger Hellcat with 707 hp does 0-60 in 3.6 seconds, an E63 with 577 hp does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds. All wheel drive advantage. Tesla Model S could beat them all. I don't think more power fixes the CTS's problems. There are a lot of other areas to address first. Make an AWD V-series if you want a faster car. -
Epic fail if it doesn't have at least 1,500 hp and 10 radiators.
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Cadillac News: Rumorpile: A More Potent Cadillac CTS-V Is Incoming
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Cadillac
They could put 800 hp in the CTS-V and the M5 will outsell it. They should put that money in the interior or an AWD system with launch control or an Electric CTS-V. Because with rear drive, they are just going to spin tire, the Hellcat Charger is a prime example. Would be nice to see a V12 CTS-V as no one else in the segment has a V12. I always wished Mercedes would do an E65 V12, even if only for a 2 year limited run.
