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The plug in hybrid GLE is less than $1,000 more than the turbo V6. No plug in is $1,000 more than the car it is based off of. This is like the plug in Prius selling for $500 more than the base car.
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Yes, but the Tesla P90D has 713 lb-ft and that is now the 2nd most powerful Model S. Unlikely to find a V8 putting out 750+ lb-ft to compete with that. Cadillac needs that 4.2 V8 ASAP while there are still buyers who want V8 power and smoothness, and can't afford a $135k Tesla. But even when you look at Mercedes, BMW and Audi, their mid-size cars have turbo sixes, and most 7-series and A8s are sixes, Q7 is mostly V6, even the GLS is mostly V6. Only the top dog stuff has V8 power anymore, and in 10 years electric will replace it. there is opportunity for Cadillac to offer the V8 at the price point a lot of the other guys are selling a V6, that could win buyers in the near term.
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I understand your opinion, just be happy with Cadillac being in 6th place in sales in the luxury segment if they don't have it. The #1 selling body style of vehicle is crossover, and it is rising.
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479 lb-ft of torque on the GLE550e and S550e. But I wouldn't call either of them performance cars, even though they move pretty good for what they are. If the CT6 plug in is like $70-75,000 it could be a compelling buy. Likewise that powertrain could make sense on a CTS or large crossover. But that is just par for the course, many lux brands have plug in hybrids now or will within a year. The game changer technology is at Tesla, they just haven't been able to scale it out in big numbers yet.
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The CT6 plug in is no match for a Tesla. The GLE plug-in is closer to a Tesla Model X than a CT6-PEV is to a Model S, and as Mr. T would say, "I pity the fool who races a GLE550e against a Model X, or tries to match it on electric range." The GLE550e might be the best value hybrid there is, it is like $900 more than the turbo V6 model and has 100 more hp and double the fuel economy
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That isn't a bad price at all, a base E300 4Matic lease is $5,263 down and $569 a month. You can get into a Tesla for E-class money. People want to compare the Model S to the S-class but it is like $1,200 a month to lease an S-class, I think $1,450 for an S-class coupe.
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Well they needed a twin turbo V8 yesterday, not in 2018. They will still need one in 2018, there will be luxury buyers that want a V8. But Electric has to be part of the equation. The new Model S can do 0-60 in 2.5 seconds, you just can't get that out of a V8 or maybe not even a V12 unless the car has no weight to it. Electric is the high performance future, the V8 might be the cheap performance future, but if Cadillac wants $70-80k for V6 cars, they will want $90-100k for a V8 and you are getting up to Tesla money. And Mercedes faces the same problem, the AMG cars have a loyal following, but the E63 can't keep up with a Tesla, they can hope, exhaust note, chassis tuning and ride/handling with interior appointments wins buyers, but they can't win off speed. Until they make an electric car with 750 hp, which it seems like they are doing, as the Maybach Vision 6 powertrain is already in development.
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Buick has 3 Crossovers and is at a dealership with GMC who has 4 crossovers/SUVs (if you could Yukon and XL as 2) so there are 7 crossovers/SUVs at that dealership, and it wouldn't surprise me if GMC adds a compact crossover or Jeep competing off roader to make an 8th. Chevy needs to downsize the Equinox to D2XX and add a 4th crossover, with Tahoe and Suburban that gives them 6 crossover/SUV. Ford has 5 crossovers/SUVs and is supposedly bringing a Fiesta based crossover to make a 6th. Cadillac needs 3 crossovers minimum plus Escalade, but they could do more. Crossovers could be 50% of al vehicle sales within 10 years, sedans might be 20%.
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The 4.2 liter V8 could have been used around 2013 for the ATS-V and the CTS V-sport, perhaps CTS-V as well depending on how they tune it, and Escalade and CT6. In the 2013-2016 time frame as fuel prices dropped, that V8 could have been good to have. By 2018 or 2019, only the real high dollar stuff will have a V8, and electric will be growing, so that V8 could be too late.
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BMW as a brand caters to driving enthusiasts and people that are more likely to want a car. But Cadillac being an American brand and a GM brand could win truck and SUV buyers more easily. GM is a truck/SUV company for the most part. 5-6 crossovers might be too much for Cadillac, but crossover is what the people want, people are paying $40-50k for Ford and Honda crossovers in droves, yet Cadillac can't most ATSes.
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BMW has X1, X3, X4, X5, X6, and X7 on the way. Jeep has 6 SUVs, 2 of which are over 10 years old and people still keep buying them, Jeep sales are on fire. Crossovers outsell sedans, Cadillac has ATS, CTS, XTS, CT6, which is 4 sedans, they could easily have 5 crossovers plus Escalade as none of those sedans at the Escalade base price. Chevy needs more crossovers too. I don't like crossovers, but sadly the new look car line of the 2020s will be 5-6 crossovers, 3 sedans, 1 coupe/convertible, 1 van, 1 pick up.
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In hindsight, it would have been better to use the Alpha platform to launch 2 crossovers rather than ATS and CTS. Or use another platform for 2 crossovers. The front drive SRX went on sale around 2011, they could have followed in 2012 or 13 with a smaller crossover and a CTS size crossover at 195 inches long, they could get a small 3rd row in there and still have room for a Lambda sized bigger crossover. They could have left the 08 CTS run on a couple more years and just used discounts to move them and the XTS. The ATS and CTS were sort of a waste of money, if they had 4 crossovers right now plus the Escalade and an 8 year old CTS, XTS and CT6 they would be selling more cars and making more profits. Chrysler has done this, they sell 10 SUVs and a 10 year old and 2 or 3 sedans that are just discounted like crazy, and they seem to make money doing it.
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They could put the Evoq concept into production now and it would be the best looking and most modern looking Cadillac and it was from 1999. The XLR washed out a lot of the good looks and had weird shape. The Evoq still looks stunning today.
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Lutz is pretty much right on, Cadillac advertising is doing nothing, and they need crossovers in a bad way. Too many 5 year plans and lack of consistency to stay on the attack. I liked the Seville of the 90s and the 98 redesign as well, and the Northstar in the 90s was very competitive, it beat most other V8s in power. Then they let it rot on the vine like GM often did with products back then.
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Sadly with where the market is today, Cadillac could roll out 10 crossovers and all 10 would outsell a full size sedan. It is amazing how similar the La Scala looks to the 1992 Seville, took them a long time to get there.
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I have no problems with the car or design, I think big grill is good and can translate to other products. I do have a problem with Johan saying this : “Escala is a concept car, but one based upon the unrelenting rise of our product substance. Depending on the development of market segment for large luxury sedans, Escala is a potential addition to our existing product plan.” Unrelenting rise of product??? What the CT6 and the $39k XT5? Not really unrelenting or all that much of a meteoric rise. The thing for Cadillac fans to worry about though is when he says depending on development of the large sedan segment. Well the large sedan segment is shrinking, people just want crossovers. Johan has already built in an excuse why not to build the car.
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I would agree on the horizontal lights, it gives it a bit of an Impala look and a Cadillac should have vertical lights. Overall I like this car. I am not a big fan of lift back rear ends, but it does add to cargo space, so that is a plus. Few minor issues aside, I think it looks good. The name is stupid, I thought right away of Escalade without the "de" and Spanish for scale? Why would you name a car scale. I guess it won't matter because it will be called CT8 if they build it. Thing is though, this is a small segment that is shrinking. Many here have said how the S-class has sinking sales, but the S-class outsells the A8, 7-series and Jag XJ combined.
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If they super wealthy clientele push for it, I could see them building a limited run, they can charge a crazy price and build 500 a year. You never know, they built all this stuff:
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222 inches long to make production is unlikely, but maybe at 210, and it would have to be an 3 inches taller, to get a bit more side glass and green house, this concept is only 52 inches tall. Those are 24 inch wheels, obviously they would go to 20s, real mirrors, and they aren't that far off. They already know how to do gullwing doors, they could build this, and charge $300,000+ for it. The question is will they build it? I think they should, it would set a styling tone, and kick off their electric brand in grand fashion.
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MB is just going to copy Tesla's naming scheme?? ?Why? BMW is still using 'i' for 'injected' 45 years later! lolLol I hadn't really realized that's almost exactly what Tesla does.. But they kind of mimicked what MB has been doing just with battery size instead of engine size. I mean they could always add an extra zero like they already have. I mean they were 3.5L but still added a "0" for 350. They could do the same with batteries.. But then it's basically the same they have now again.. They can't sell an E60e, E70e, etc because they already have a C300e, GLE550e, S550 and next year have GLS550e, E300e or E550e, maybe both, a GLC300e, etc. They are going to have 10 plug in hybrids already using "e" after the name.
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It wont handle better than the Tesla Model S. It probably wouldnt out accelerate it either. Therefore inferior product as compared to Tesla Model S in that high performance regard so bragging rights could be waved off... Tesla flaunts and does not hide the fact that the Model S is a high performance machine. Mercedes-Maybach has to find a way to market this vehicle where the heavy batteries are under the hood in a way to lure Tesla consumers without the high performance image....and by the looks of that concept, it has high performance shoes to fill in. Good luck wit dat! Being the Maybach, they aren't going for all out performance. A Tesla is faster than a Rolls-Royce Phantom, heck and Audi A8 is faster than Rolls-Royce Phantom, but is it better? The Maybach coupe is about over the top luxury and style, and it would still be pretty fast. They could do an AMG electric, (like a better battery version of the SLS electric car) or an AMG hybrid that has Telsa Ludicrous mode performance.
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So the official specs are in, 4 electric motors with 738 hp and an 80 kW battery. 222 inches long, so it is more like 5.7 meters rather than 6. If this is a sign of what is to come from Mercedes electric cars, look out Tesla and wimpy BMW with their carbon fiber box.
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I meant Tesla would't make a large coupe or a really dramatic looking car. They make a sleek looking car, but 4-door sedan and crossover is all you get at Tesla, no other body styles. What if the Mercedes-Maybach has batteries under that hood?
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I would imagine the Vision 6 has a V12 engine. They could get a version of this to production, something that Tesla or most other luxury automakers would never take the chance on. Keep in mind this coupe is 236 inches long. Mercedes did build the McLaren SLR, the gullwing SLS, the G63 6x6 G550 4x4squared, S-class convertible, and the Maybach S600 Laundelet is returning next year. They do build some dream cars, I think they will act on this one because they need a Maybach halo and they see Rolls and Bentley increasing sales and want a piece.
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Tesla does not have one of these: Full reveal and details Thursday. They have to find a way to get this to production.
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