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    It probably will be quicker, but they haven't logged a test of it yet. But to be more fair, I found Red Bull Ring lap times all driven by The Stig, same driver for every car to be consistent. Lamborghini Hurcan: 1:45.4 Nissan GT-R: 1:45.5 Ferrari 458 Speciale: 1:46.0 (no longer in production) Mercedes AMG GT: 1:48.6 Corvette Z07: 1:49.1 Porsche Cayman GT4: 1:50.9 BMW i8: 1:57.7 The Z07 is fast, but it doesn't beat or dominate the $150k segment like some suggest and the Z07 is $100k itself. The Z07 puts up performance close to those cars so it is still punching above it's weight so to speak, but to go against the class above this list like the 488, F12, Aventator and McLarens, GM needs a car above Corvette. To be fair the Corvette does beat a Hurcan and GT-R by a couple tenths of a second on Willow Springs, a more favorable track for the Vette since it has less sharp corners. Interestingly enough the Cayman GT4 is cheaper than the Corvette Z07 so you can get performance per dollar value other places too. And these are really the $100-200k sort of benchmark cars. There is a whole $250-400k segment of cars, then a million dollar segment of cars above that. And a $ 2.5 million segment above that with the Chiron and soon to be Mercedes F1 car and Aston Martin - Red Bull 01. Where do they stop trying to push the Corvette? Why can't it just be a $49,000-98,000 car and do that well and sell well like it does. Make a Cadillac Cien that looks like a fighter jet if they want a super car.
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    Some of the other cars on that Nurburgring list aren't 2016s either. The GT-R was 3 years ago, the Viper and LFA did those times in 2011. Unfortunately there isn't a race track out there that has the majority of cars tested on it to compare.
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    I couldn't find a confirmed lap time of a 2016 Z06, the fastest Corvette lap posted is the ZR1 time. I don't know about this big jump in price. People thought the Cadillac CTS could move up in price, they rose the price $7,000 and sales tanked. The rose the price of the Camaro, sales dropped (but I think other factors are at play there, namely new Mustang and shirking coupe market). You can't push every product up market, you have to remember the market you serve.
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    Should Chevy make a $150,000 Caprice sedan to compete with Bentley too? I don't get why Chevy is the brand to go into the exotic car price range, it just makes no sense. They can make a $150k Corvette all they want, it won't have a Mercedes interior, Mercedes has nothing to fear from Chevy. Mercedes even makes better commercial vans than Chevy. I still wonder how Cadillac is supposed to be "standard of the world" and compete with or beat the best in the world, but they can't even beat a Camaro or Corvette in performance, and their flagship is a fancy Tahoe. Maybe Cadillac can use this 6.2 V8 in an Omega platform SUV above Escalade.
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    I think we should look at whether or not the Corvette really beats cars costing way more, That has long been said, but isn't really true. Here are some 0-60 times, we'll skip the hyper cars like the Porsche 918: Lamborghini Hurcan: 2.5 seconds Audi R8 V10 Plus: 2.6 seconds Lamborghini Aventator: 2.6 seconds Tesla Model S: 2.6 seconds Porsche 911 turbo 2.7 seconds McLaren 650S/675LT: 2.7 seconds Nissan GT-R: 2.7 seconds Acura NSX: 2.7 seconds Ferrari F12: 2.7 seconds Ferrari 488: 2.9 seconds Corvettte Z07: 3.0 seconds Mercedes-AMG GT S 3.0 seconds And the same cars in 1/4 mile times: McLaren 650S/675LT: 10.4 seconds Lamborghini Aventator: 10.4 seconds Porsche 911 turbo 10.5 seconds Lamborghini Hurcan: 10.6 seconds Audi R8 V10 Plus: 10.6 seconds Ferrari 488: 10.6 seconds Tesla Model S: 10.8 seconds Nissan GT-R: 10.8 seconds Acura NSX: 10.8 seconds Ferrari F12: 10.8 seconds Corvettte Z07: 10.9 seconds Mercedes-AMG GT S: 11.2 seconds Nurburgring lap times I skipped the track cars like Gumpert and Radical: Lamborghini Aventador: 6:59.7 Nissan GT-R Nismo: 7:08.7 Mercedes-AMG GT R 7:10.9 Dodge Viper ACR: 7:12.1 Lexus LFA: 7:14.6 Porsche 911 GT2 RS: 7:18 Corvette ZR1: 7:19.6 (with track tires) Corvette ZR1: 7:26.4 (with stock tires) Ferrari 488: 7:21 Lamborghini Hurcan 7:28 BMW M4 GTS 7:28 Audi R8 V10 Plus 7:32 The Corvette is definitely punching well above its price class, but it isn't beating the elites. And you can't push the Corvette into the elite performance territory without really jacking up the price, which would just make the Corvette a $175,000 car that is as fast as other $200,000 cars.
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    The Corvette is a great performance car and offers tremendous performance per dollar, it always has, and it always should. But the Corvette should be a $50-95,000 car, sort of like Porsche Boxster/Cayman price, and I still think a lighter weight Corvette with a base V6 could be done at like $49k. People praise the CT6 with a 2 liter 4, why couldn't the Corvette have a downsized engine and less front end weight too? And it would keep it affordable, the hallmark of a Corvette. I 100% support GM making a mid-engine super car or a $200k sports car but it shouldn't be a Corvette, it should be a Cadillac. The Corvette is not a Ferrari, McLaren or Lamborghini fighter. Ford GT in the 2004-2006 version was comparable to the Italian exotics in price and performance, but that was 10 years ago, and the new GT is really just so they can race it, they are going to sell a road version. I give Ford credit for doing the GT, it is a good exotic car with a storied past. But Ford isn't consistent, they have 3 years of GT production since 1970 and after that the Mustang is their only sports car, and Lincoln never had a performance car or CTS-V like product. GM's 3.6 V6 isn't torque heavy, I don't see how an NA V8 will be any different. No way will they get over 600 lb-ft of torque at under 2,500 rpm from an NA V8. Can't be done without turbos.
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    Bentley is the #1 most profitable car company in the world, Porsche is #2, Audi isn't far behind them. BMW-Rolls has a healthy margin, Lamborghini and Ferrari, also hugely profitable. They actually all make a lot of money, and they all survive in Europe that has tougher emissions and fuel economy requirements than we do. They will all push electrics and hybrids too, and at their price point can do it easily. I think it is going to be harder for mainstream cars to hit CAFE than exotics. You have Tesla selling electric cars with ease because it is toy for rich people. You don't see an electric car taking on the Camry for $29,000 because it can't be done without losing massive amounts of money.
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    The LaFerrari has their standard V12 cranked up to rev higher with KERS added on. It has virtually nothing from F1 on their car other than the KERS system. An F1 car would destroy a LaFerrari, they have as much power and less than half the weight and more downforce and traction. Mercedes is taking the 1.6 liter bi-turbo V6, MGU-K and MGU-H energy recovery systems, batteries and electric motors, the whole deal off the F1 car putting it in a road car that is 1,000 lbs lighter than a LaFerrari. It will be bad ass for sure. And how much torque does this GM 6.2 liter V8 make if it is naturally aspirated? GM's other DOHC NA engines don't make a lot of torque and most make peak torque around 5,000 rpm or more. Given that GM has a 2 liter 4 and 3 liter V6 with turbos, I'd rather see them do a 4 liter turbo V8 and 6 liter turbo v12. They already have the blocks and parts basically there, they can share all those parts for economies of scale.
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    Mercedes doesn't sell a car for the price of a Nissan Sentra. Audi has the R8, Porsche has 911, Pretty much every Aston, McLaren, Lamborghini and Ferrari are in that $150,000 or more sports car or super car territory. Bentley and Rolls have luxury sedans, coupes convertibles, now even SUVs. America isn't even trying. We think Corvette and Escalade are the end all be all, but they aren't even close to those other cars. Although at least GM sort of tries, Ford, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai are hopeless when it comes to performance and luxury.
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    But it will be, no road car has ever had a Formula 1 race cars powertrain in it. How does anyone compete with the powertrain from a 3 consecutive world championship F1 car?
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    The LaFerrari is going down in 2018. Mercedes hyper car will be more powerful and weigh over 1,000 lbs less than the LaFerrai. It will handle better, brake better, get better gas mileage, be more durable. Ferrari at that point should just close up shop and retire the brand.
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    Yes, which is why Cadillac should have a super car in the $200-300,000 range. Corvette is not the car to go after the big boys. At some point Cadillac's performance division can't be Chevy parts bin, just like Cadillac's crossovers shouldn't be Buick or GMC's parts bin. Gotta elevate the brand at some point, otherwise no reason to have Cadillac if they are the same price point as Buick and GMC and Corvette.
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    Usually when you see engines over 6 liters they are V12, with the exception of the GM pushrod V8, and some low volume Hellcat engines. Most V8s today are 4.0 - 5.0 liters. A 6.2 liter V6 is like making a 3.1 liter 4 cylinder, you just don't see it, four cylinders today are 1.5-2.4 liters for the most part. I think the V8 is perfect for the Corvette, I'd put a V6 base model in there too, as I have often said. As I have also often said, is GM, mainly Cadillac, should have a sports car above the Corvette. I would be totally fine with no Chevy having over 550 hp, and Cadillac having a 700 hp V12. Cadillac should always have the performance benchmark of GM, Chevrolet is everyman's sports cars. Nothing wrong with that either, Chevy doesn't try to make the Impala an S-class fighter, why does the Corvette have to be a Ferrari fighter?
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    Good thing Mercedes is building a car that does 0-150 mph in under 10 seconds. It may even do 0-150-0 in 10 seconds. They may crack the 6 minute barrier on the Nurburgring, only one production car ever got under 7 minutes. Then we can end the comparisons because it is game over. The AMG GT R does the Nurburgring in 7:10, that is faster than an Corvette, it is faster than the LF-A Nurburgring edition, so they have performance. I didn't see any E63 S 0-60 times vs the M5 or CTS-V up there, perhaps because the E63 beats those cars. I dunno, the Aventator is pretty fast, the LaFerrari does 0-150 mph in 9.8 seconds, it takes a 2016 Corvette Z06 17.9 seconds to get there.
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    Because 12 cylinders is better than 8. The Lambos and Ferraris have them.
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    If they are making a 6.2 liter engine for a mid engine car, why on earth doesn't it have 12 cylinders?
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    It is scientifically proven that crossovers are more durable than cars. Ford Escapes typically run for twice as many miles and with fewer repairs than a Ford Focus on the exact same chassis with the exact same engine and transmission. It just makes sense that higher roof line = greater durability. But in all seriousness, it would make sense for GM to do an Equinox or Acadia police package vehicle. Ford just has the whole market right now. “LAPD (Los Angeles Police Department) are buying a larger percentage of SUVs than they are of the sedans. They are very capable. They have a fairly short turning radius. They’re deceptively fast.” ^ as far as that goes, I'd give my car to any cop in a police crossover that could outrun me. Not that I make it a habit of speeding or running from cops, but come on, an Explorer police car has to be slow as molasses, not deceptively fast.
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    But why make an NA V8 when you can make a twin turbo V8? For a Cadillac or mid engine Corvette or whatever they will use the new V8, adding turbos would be better.
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    This 6.2 liter NA DOHC V8 sports car idea has been done before and it was killed off mainly for emissions and fuel economy reasons, but also because they could get more power and torque with turbos.
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    Lots of growth in the Chinese market, although it is slowing, but it is a good job by them to go from not much at all to 100,000 in under 10 years. To put in perspective though, Audi sells over 200,000 A6's a year in China.
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    Chevy can sell a turbo engine on a $19,000 Cruze, I think they can figure out how to sell a turbo on a $49,000 Corvette. The other option is a beefed up turbo 4 making like 310 hp and torque, it wouldn't weigh much at all and make a super light Corvette. But I think that would be a bit down on power, you'd want at least 350 for a Corvette, which is why I think a base V6.
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    The CTS v-sport engine makes 430 lb-ft @ 3,500 rpm, while the Escalade V8 makes 460 lb-ft at 4,100 rpm. Both make 420 hp at around 5600-5700 rpm. So really you could have an Escalade with a 3.6 liter V6 and it would be perfectly adequate, especially for a base model. A DOHC V8 could be the optional engine in the Escalade, gives people a good reason to up for a Platinum or V-sport trim.
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    Turbo engines make better torque than NA, and really what car of the future won't have a turbo engine unless it has an electric one. A turbo will be as common as ABS brakes by 2025, you are seeing turbos on things like a Cruze and Equinox on almost every trim level, and the biggest engine downsizing hasn't even hit yet. The E63 S makes 627 lb-ft at 2,500 rpm, that is much lower than the GM supercharged 6.2 liter, and no NA engine from anyone makes peak torque at 2500 rpm. Audi engines are even a better example, an S8 could probably beat a CTS-V 0-60 despite being larger and down 120 hp because of the all wheel drive and low rpm torque from that turbo V8, which is also a 4 liter. Although I was thinking of the 2015 S8, with 520 hp, the just realized the new one has 605 hp and does 0-60 in 3.3 seconds.
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    You don't need 6.2 liters though, if you can't get 500 hp from 4 liters you are doing something wrong. You can get 600 hp from 4 liters, even. If one were so inclined they could get 1,000 hp from a 1.6 liter V6 hybrid.
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    The agree it has more to do emissions, economy and power delivery than it does packaging. A lot of cars have excess space under the hood anyway. If packaging was the main priority they could put a 3 liter V6 that revs to 8,000 rpm or something that was more power dense. Plus you have Lambos and Ferraris with V12s, I don't think space is a big concern.
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