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Because a Yukon is larger and heavier than a Grand Cherokee SRT and has less horsepower. Also consider a Bentley Bentayga beats a Cadillac CTS-V in 0-60 time. So even an SUV that is faster straight line than a CTS-V can't beat a 2012 335i around this race track which has a sizable straight away, and other decent sized straights. And we were originally talking about a stock Yukon, but even a modified one would need like 800 hp to have any chance at beating a 300 hp 335i on a lap time, and still wouldn't match it in a corner.
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The overall lap time is even but the Cayenne Turbo S or Bentayga is much faster in a straight line than a 335i. So in corners or "twisties" the 335i has a significant advantage. And a Bentayga is significantly faster than a Yukon.
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My point is a Yukon can not keep up with a 335i in corners if a Bentley Bentayga and Cayenne Turbo S can't. The lap data proves that they can't, because both those SUVs beat a 335i in a straight line, get killed in corners. Doesn't matter if those corners are in Germany, England, or USA.
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This is all insane, but I found some lap times of a stock 335i (2012 E90 generation, since they are 340i's now). On Sachsenring in Germany the 335i runs 1:44.3 or 1:45.0 seconds (it had 2 times, one might have been a coupe) Here are the fastest SUVs on that track: Bentley Bentayga 1:44.5 Cayenne Turbo S 1:44.7 AMG ML63 1:47.2 The 335i is with them all, and those are probably the 3 fastest SUVs on the planet. I also found times on Virginia International raceway (pre 2014), and the 2012 335i ran a 3:13.2 lap. The only SUV in the top 125 lap times was a Grand Cherokee SRT-8 at 3:17.4 That is a generation old 3-series going as fast as a Bentley Bentayga, the fastest SUV there is, and think of how much faster the 335i must be in the corners since it has literally half the horsepower and torque.
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I know he said hold its own, but it wouldn't even do that. A 335i/340i would blow away a Yukon on curvy road, race track, twisty street, etc
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Yes he posted how the Yukon is slower on a figure 8 than a Diesel 3-series. So clearly a 335i as he originally said would easily outrun it in the twisties.
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Even a Bentayga or GLS63 will lose a handling battle to a 3-series. No full size SUV can keep up with a 3-series in corners. When the 3-series has mostly been the standard for best handling sedan the past 30 years.
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Yes, they should just buy all of Mazda, they might as well buy Subaru too. Subaru seems to have pretty a good niche, Mazda could be targeted to youthful buyers and sporty car buyers that Toyota doesn't get. They could platform share, share engines, etc. Toyota I am sure has the money to buy both, that sit on mountains of cash. Edit: Just looked it up, Toyota had $27 billion in cash as of March 2017. Mazda is worth about $8 billion.
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All Mercedes gas engines will be paired with a 48 volt mild hybrid system, thus making everything they make by definition a hybrid, but Audi and Volvo are moving toward this too, they are all still burning gas. The Mercedes electric crossover is supposed to go on sale in 2019. We know eventually everything will be electric, it is just a matter of how fas the market adapts to it. If it swings fast to EV, at least Mercedes will be ready. If it doesn't they'll have the inline 4 and six gas engines still. They are covered.
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I'd love to see a Nurburgring time or any race track time, of a Yukon or even Escalade, and inner on the same track a 328i would embarrass it. This isn't even close. I have driven a 2013 Mercedes GL450 with airmatic, has very smooth ride, handles well for its size, and I imagine since it is developed on the Nurburgring it can out handle a Yukon any day of the week. Yet the GL is no where near my car in the corners and I think a 3-series would out handle my car on a windy road. A 5500 lb SUV is not going to handle as well as a 3-series, or even an 7-series for that matter.
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The Bolt is not an SUV or CUV. Where is the Electric SUV the size of an Equinox or Traverse? Tesla already has the 3 row SUV. I don't think doing a sedan instead of an SUV is a bad move, Tesla builds sporty cars and sedan makes sense for their brand. And the smaller SUV is coming. In a way the Model 3 as a sedan makes total sense, most companies are , giving up on sedans because they see easier profit on a truck, but there are still sedan fans as proven by the fact that 450,000 people are in line to get one, which is 450,000 more than any other car on the market has. Plugins are not EVs. Mercedes is technically going to have a 100% hybrid line up by 2019, so then I guess you can compare their 2 million a year sales to the Bolt. Which would be just as pointless as comparing Bolt EV sales to plug in s-Class sales.
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Mercedes is making 10 electric vehicles. I hope the Bolt and its Buick sibling can take on all 10. Mercedes has also had a battery factory under construction, GM does not have a battery factory like Tesla and Mercedes do. I think the electric Mercedes will sell, they don't even advertise any of their plug ins, plus a plug in is not an EV. The real EVs are coming in 2019 and we'll see what they got. Which to my original point, who has an electric SUV now besides Tesla and people are critizicng Tesla for lack of electric suvs.
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$400k for a V12 SUV and they'll probably sell everyone they make. Easy profit. Not surprised they are doing this. Why would Ferrari want their owners going to Mercedes or Range Rover for their SUV, when they can provide it.
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OK, now you lost me, a Yukon isn't going to keep up with a 335i, or I think it is 340i now, but same difference. I'll give you that what's done on the Corvette helps the Camaro and Cadillacs, but this holds true for top end cars at any brand, there is trickle down effect.
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I agree with all but the last sentence. I think Cadillac should do the performance SUVs to take on Porsche. Because they are the luxury brand and have the dealerships, etc. If you split Corvette to its own brand, then you have to take it out of Chevy and sell them at Cadillac dealerships anyway, and have Cadillac/Corvette dealers. Chevrolet dealers would revolt if they lost the Corvette. I think the only model turned into a brand was Ram, and that sort of worked since it is pickup and a van, it isn't really a full line. But it weakened Dodge and made them sort of expendable at the same time.
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When are all these electric CUVs arriving? Audi and Mercedes are targeting 2019, they are 2 years away. The Buick Bolt is probably a year or two away and if it is the size of a Bolt, will be a lot smaller than a Model Y. It's not like Lexus has an electric RX for $40k coming in 6 months. Even if the Model Y is 2019, they aren't really behind the curve and they do already sell an electric SUV.
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If they even sell 200,000 Model 3's next year that would be more than the 3-series ever sold in a year. At 350,000 they are at Camry and Accord levels, which are the best selling sedans in the US. If sedan sales look bad now, wait till next year when the Model 3 takes a huge chunk of them.
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480,000 reservations for the Model 3 as of August 2, 2017.
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I see the Corvette best served with a base V6, probably turbo, at like $50k, a V8 middle level and the current Z06 as the range topper at $100k. This mid-engine car I would make a Cadillac for $100-200k, or whatever the range is to be, and I'd have a V8 and a hybrid powertrain. Audi really took off after the R8 came out because it made Audi cool.
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I am not against options, for the past couple years I have said there should be a V6 Corvette that undercuts the current V8 pricing to widen the appeal of the car. My surprise was that the Corvette has 2 engine choices now and they were going to do an exclusive mid engine version then give it 3 engine choices? I like the idea of a hybrid Corvette though.
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I'd imagine the volume on a mid-engine Corvette would be small, like 20% of front engine Corvette sales, maybe even 10%. So we are talking low volume. If they share the new engines with Cadillac they can spread cost. This rumor of LT2, LT6, etc looks like they are making something new, and not using the current Z06 engine.
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S-class sells near 100,000 units per year world wide, I believe they have 2 diesels, which are probably going to be gone soon, a V6, a hybrid, 2 V8s and 2 V12s. But the 4.7 liter and 5.5 liter V8s are getting dumped this year for the 4.0 liter. There is a front engine ZR1 coming, so they will have 3 engine options in the front engine Corvette. If the mid-engine car has the same 3 then that makes sense. My original point was that I don't see GM making 3 new engines for a low volume car. But if they use the same 3 in the front engine model then the engineering is already paid for.
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Yes but the 911 has one flat six engine in a lot of different tunes and with and without turbo or maybe they are all turbo now they are headed there. Since they already have a Corvette with 2 engine options, and this mid engine Corvette is a specialty car which I assume would be $100k and up, then 2 engines (like NA and Supercharged) would be enough. If however they kill the front engine Corvette then I can see 3 engine choices in the mid engine car. I agree that choices are good, but there is a development cost and certification cost to that also. Last month 80% of GM's sales were trucks and crossovers. That trend probably isn't getting reversed so you got to figure GM will put 80% of their R&D into more trucks and crossovers.
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My guess is that they will want over $100k for it. Mid engine cars are expensive. I am surprised to hear of 3 engine options. Do they really need 3 on a low volume car?
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Cadillac should have done an SRX-V back in 2010 when the 556 up CTS-V came out. With a front drive small crossover under that if they needed something where the XT5 sits now. Then when the 640 hp CTS-V came out they could have had an XT6-V. Interesting that they will have 2 Corvettes, I don't like when you have multiple of the same car like all the Land Rover Range Rover Evoque. Why not just call it Land Rover Evoque? Unless maybe the mid engine Corvette gets a new name.
