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It isn't an electric car, nor is it priced like a Bolt. When Mercedes gets their electric cars out they will sell. I feel like they should hit the accelerator on them because Tesla is taking forever with the Model 3, Mercedes might be able to steal a lot of that thunder. Mercedes is currently building 3 battery factories (Germany, Alabama, China) at $1 billion each and expanding the assembly lines, by 2020 they should be cranking out cars.
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On the Audi A8 they have electric boosted suspension that reacts faster than the S-class magic body control. It is what you can do with it that makes it special.
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I like Saab as a car, my mom had a 2002 9-5 Aero that was a great car until it got horribly unreliable around 75k miles and she got rid of it after it being towed 3 times in 1 year. And yes they should have made better Chevy's and Buicks to fight off the Japanese. But all that being in the past, GM still has some of the same problems. Buick sedans don't sell anymore, they will probably be a crossover only brand in the USA once their Opel tie is gone and the LWB epsilon platform is killed.
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I am all for taking any subsidies away from oil and gas companies, they will find a way to make a profit. I wouldn't subsidize any corporation for that matter, they can sink or swim on their own. I like that there is an EV tax credit, but it is going to expire anyway, so if they take it away then it is only speeding up the process. If we all had vertical take off drones for travel we wouldn't need roads. Then the Government wouldn't have to spend money paving them. But I have always said if you want to inspire EV sales, raise the gas tax.
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Only the 2019 Audi A8 has 48 volt, can't find any fuel economy numbers for it yet though. I know you don't just add 2 peak numbers. The current Benz plug-in hybrid V6 in the GLE and 2014-15 S-class is 436 hp and 479 lb-ft. They say this new one has a boost to the gas and electric motors, I think it is rated at 449 hp in England, but it isn't on sale here so they haven't announced output for it yet.
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Well yeah, they all do. Audi sells like 600,000 cars a year in China. I think the A6 sells 15,000 units a month there vs like 1,500 a month in the USA.
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Correct. I imagine a lot of these 3 row crossovers fall into that category. Because the average family probably can't afford a $45,000 Traverse or Pilot, unless in a lease or 75 month loan, and are they going to own that car in 7 years after purchase to see that loan through? I work in a bank, I just refinanced a car loan for a 2016 Chevy Sonic that was a $19,500 loan and the car is currently worth $10,100 (we use 125% of NADA wholesale), so we had to use a personal loan to pay the rest off. The guy was so far under water because he rolled an underwater loan (form a Ford focus he bought new with a defective transmission) into the Sonic, put no money down, took the loan out for 6 years at a high rate and took out an extended warranty and financed it in too. And this is a sort of common occurrence. And to boot, his payment was $110 a month more on his Chevy Sonic than I pay on my Mercedes E550. I was able to save him $25 a month, not a lot but that's $300 a year, for 5 years, adds up. Well I am not talking about crank windows and 1999 Chevy Cavalier build quality. But what is wrong with the Cruze being $16k base and like $22k loaded? Why are there $28,000 Cruze's ? Why are they trying to make it like the Jetta TDI premium, what is wrong with just being a basic simple car? Doesn't mean it has to be crap.
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Agree. Not to make it too political, but EV's are the future, they are cleaner and more quiet. The technology will get there eventually where EV's are just as cheap to produce as gas cars, and when batteries are cheap, you'll see them take over. I would be in favor of the incentives staying, because they'll run out in a few years anyway. If they cut the incentive, then I don't think it is the end of the world either, because some car makers are closing in on 200,000 sales anyway, and by 2023 the battery tech will even out the price and you won't need the credits anyway. I'd be more concerned about all the EPA cuts and removal of environmental protections.
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Car prices are really high, but consumers keep finding a way to pay for them, so car companies like the high prices. This is why I hate how every car company wants to move up market and put on more content. Nothing wrong with a car selling a basic model if you are a Chevy or Kia sort of brand.
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So on model lines with a V8, GLC (coming soon), C-class, E-class/CLS, S-class, GLE, GLS, G, SL, AMG GT. So 9 model lines, most of which have multiple body styles though. The Mercedes 308 hp turbo 4 is not a plug-in hybrid, it will be their standard 4 to compete against other 2 liter 4's from BMW, Volvo, Cadillac, Audi, etc. They do have a plug-in hybrid C-class 275 hp 443 lb-ft, 0-60 in 5.8 seconds, gas mileage is TBD, but the 2017 was 51 mpg-e. The CT6 powertrain is better. The new S560e has a 31 mile EV range and a 362 hp V6 with a 121 hp electric motor, 0-60 in 4.9 seconds. I think you can get it in Europe in 2018, 2019 model here.
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Agreed with this and REG. People want a new car, they have a $300 or so a month budget, they look at the cost to buy a Camry, are shocked that is $30,000 and the options are low mileage lease, or take out and 75 month car loan. So either they have no car after 3 years and probably owe mileage overage on mileage or they have a car loan in which they pay the car off much slower than it depreciates. And both reasons are why a used or CPO is a good option. And I think the desire to have a crossover only amplifies it, people want a crossover, and even an Escape or Rogue is $30,000 now, on a traditional 4 year car loan is $540 a month, so they go to to those 75 month loans. People need to shop more within their means.
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That is true, but then again Saab didn't do too well. I do like offering a different body style than just a 3 box sedan or a cookie cutter crossover. I don't think the Regal will sell well because of how it is priced, the GS is $40k, and there are V6 sedans with more power than it for $30k. And it is a crossover world, same deal, there are V6 crossovers for Regal money that people will flock to.
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The Model S costs near $100,000, if the Bolt at $40k was a sedan, sales would go up big. And I know this because Tesla has 400,000 people waiting to buy a Model 3 sedan, imagine if someone else put a $40k EV sedan out now, they could clean up. Mercedes is missing the boat here too, they are 2 years away from an electric crossover and sedan hitting the market.
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It is, and all the off lease SUVs they have are probably getting a good return since SUVs are in high demand.
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Model by model though, the CTS-V outpowers the E63, the C63 outpowers the ATS-V. S560 outpowers any CT6, GLS550 outpowers Escalade, don't even need AMG engines for those. If you just want to compare 4 cylinder to 4 cylinder, MB will fix that in 2018 with the 308 hp 48 volt turbo 4, there is an E400 with 329 hp, 354 lb-ft that is way more torque than a Cadillac 3.6 V6. They have 3 body styles of E400, sedan joining soon. Cadillac has 2 models with a V8, Mercedes has 20-some, I wouldn't call Cadillac the superior performance brand.
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I get that some want space and features, so in that comparison the XTS makes sense to them. You can get a V6, space and heated/cooled seats in a LaCrosse at $40k also, but people want the Cadillac badge or upgraded interior trim, just as people will pay more for a German car due to individual buyer preferences. But the XTS averaged 1400 sales a month last year, and is down 20% this year which is about 1100 a month, so to hit 2,200 in one month seems odd unless there was a fleet deal is all I am saying.
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How so? The C63 has 503 hp vs 465 hp in an ATS-V, the E63 has 603 hp vs 640 in the CTS-V, and the E63 is still a faster accelerating car due to AWD and better low end torque. The GLE63 has 267 hp more than an XT5, the GLS63 has 157 hp more than an Escalade. The G65 has 201 hp more than an Escalade. Yes they have a 362 hp C43 and 396 hp E43, both of which do 0-60 as fast as a Ford Mustang GT and quicker than a CTS V-sport. The C43 is the ATS 3.6 V6 competitor., one is just vastly quicker than the other. And we haven't even touched on the fact that Mercedes-AMG will be taking their hyper car to the Nurburgring next year and the record will be shattered. And I still say Mercedes needs to build more of them, they have around 1,000 people on the waiting list, but are only making 300, dumb move. Even it if takes 5 years, they should build 1000 of them.
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If you are going on "quality" the AMG GT R can beat anything GM has ever made, there is a more hardcore version of that car coming too, probably an AMG Black Series. But line up the cars, the E63 is faster than a CTS-V (or any Japanese sedan or any Audi or Alfa Romeo) the C63 is faster than the ATS-V. Saying the Corvette Z06 beats an E63 on a race track is sort of a pointless comparison when one is a mid-size sedan once is a sports car. And I don't think performance SUVs is to satisfy 1,000 people a year. 20 years ago, there was the M3, M5 and C36, E55, and that was it. Now there are probably 20+ performance sedans out there, because people wanted sedans and not coupes. Today's sedan is the 90s coupe, and it is getting replaces with the SUV. By 2025 there will be more GLE63 SUVs sold than M5's or E63's I bet. Porsche sells more SUVs than they do cars.
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Agreed, I hate SUVs and want a car, and I like used cars because the depreciation hit is gone. This isn't just for luxury brands, any car lease at any brand is probably taking a hit. What is a 3 year old Taurus worth? The $99 a month leases I have seen on the Cruze, they have to be taking a bath on those, a 2015 Cruze is probably worth $10k now.
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GM makes 4 performance cars: Camaro, Corvette, ATS-V and CTS-V. Zero performance SUVs, which is the #1 selling body style. I'll still take 37 performance models over 7-8 if you want to split down trim levels of the Camaro/Corvette. And that is still more than Ford/Lincoln, Acura/Honda, Nissan/Infiniti, they hardly have anything, 2 performance cars each. The ZL1 is quite the achievement though, it is faster than a Z06 Corvette at less money, plus you get a back seat, so it is a tremendous performance value. Not a luxury car though, but a great track performer, one of the best at any price.
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No, if the Bolt was a mid-size sedan or a small crossover it would sell 5 times better than a compact hatchback. I did wonder if the new Regal was on sale, but I doubt the new one sells any better than the old one did. I have yet to see a refreshed XTS on the road, but even still, that is a car that goes back to 2012, it has to have a lot of fleet sales to move over 2,000 a month. Unless the 900 unit drop on LaCrosse all went to XTS.
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Next Huracán To Feature A Hybrid Powertrain
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Lamborghini
I think a hybrid sports car makes a lot of sense. As far as batteries and technology not being readable, I just watched a Formula 1 car do 70 laps of a track on Sunday and that is indeed a hybrid. -
I think if the Bolt looked better it would sell better. If the Bolt looked like an Impala sedan or Equinox they would sell 10,000 a month. I wonder how many XTS sales are fleet sales? Maybe Lincoln is getting out of the livery business? Because Regal and Lacrosse are new and down 40% And the 3 Cadillac sedans newer than XTS are down near 40%. Yet the XTS was up big.
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They are on pace for 30,000 AMG’s sold this year which is tremendous I think. In a world of dumbed down cookie cutter front drive crossovers and 147 hp compact cars, it is good that some one is still pushing performance.
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Sales: Sales Figure Ticker: October 2017
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Sales Figure Ticker
Another strong month from FCA. Good thing Alfa was up 5000%- 57 replies
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