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Buick News: Buick To Play A Key Role In GM's Electrification Plans
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Buick
Average buyer age: Buick 59 Bentley 56 Cadillac 52 Mercedes 51 BMW 50 Land Rover 45 Millenials are buying cars so a lowering tide drops all boats so to speak. Buick is still pushing a higher than average buyer age. -
They will have it, but 268 hp, 368 lb-ft, 0-60 in 5 seconds 250 mile range, 60 miles of charge in under 10 minutes, but my guess is pricing will start in the 40s.
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No, you said it isn't special because hybrids and BAS systems have been around for 10 years. But Mercedes and Audi aren't just using it for MPG gain, they are using to make stop-start more seamless, it can run the steering and suspension, and make for a better driving car. So in 2019 when the A8, S-class and Cadillac CT6/CT8, Jaguar and Lexus LS get in a comparison, the Germans will be praised for refinement, ride comfort, handling, and the others will be ripped for NVH and rough ride, etc.
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Isn't that the car at Test Track in Epcot? But you couldn't sell a 220 mile EV for $30k, with that kind of horsepower. That is like saying we'll have a V8 Camaro, 450 hp, for $28,990. Not happening. What Chevy needs is a Cruze size EV sedan, 200 hp, 200 mile range, $32,000. Now you are selling cars.
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California air resources board compliance and CAFE compliance. A plug-in C-class is a bandaid for the short term. And the price isn't that crazy, it is $7k more than a base C-class, but $6k cheaper than a V6 C-class. And it isn't meant to be priced like a Bolt, it is a Mercedes. When the real EV's come, the rumor is $45k base for an A-class size sedan, $50k base for a GLC size crossover, I think if they can pull that off they are on to something because then an electric E-class is like $65k, they can sell that all day long. Daimler has invested in a company in Europe that is working on a battery that can get 300 miles of charge in 5 minutes. All this comes down to battery tech, if they can get the batteries the EV sales will explode. Mercedes is going into Formula E to help learn about electric cars, and to beat Jaguar, BMW and Audi, because they are too scared to come to Formula 1, so Mercedes will come to them.
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Buick News: Buick To Play A Key Role In GM's Electrification Plans
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Buick
I tend to think EV's would have more appeal to younger buyers rather than older buyers. So why would Buick, the poster brand for the social security crowd get the EV push? I get that Buick has volume in China, but I wonder if that hurts Chevy and Cadillac who don't have that much volume in China, yet are GM's 2 most important brands. That is where the EV push needs to start. -
You can't crash it, it is self flying. You get in, it takes you to a destination. This is the future.
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There are millions of people out there conditioned to believe any used car has problems, and only a new car is reliable. This is how car companies sell a lot of new cars. The average car on the road is 11 years old, makes me think a lot of cars last 20 years, in which case even a 5 year old car, has 15 more left in it.
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You don't fly the drone, the drones are autonomous. They wouldn't even have any controls, as like in a Level 5 Autonomous car.
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It isn't an electric car, nor is it priced like a Bolt. When Mercedes gets their electric cars out they will sell. I feel like they should hit the accelerator on them because Tesla is taking forever with the Model 3, Mercedes might be able to steal a lot of that thunder. Mercedes is currently building 3 battery factories (Germany, Alabama, China) at $1 billion each and expanding the assembly lines, by 2020 they should be cranking out cars.
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On the Audi A8 they have electric boosted suspension that reacts faster than the S-class magic body control. It is what you can do with it that makes it special.
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I like Saab as a car, my mom had a 2002 9-5 Aero that was a great car until it got horribly unreliable around 75k miles and she got rid of it after it being towed 3 times in 1 year. And yes they should have made better Chevy's and Buicks to fight off the Japanese. But all that being in the past, GM still has some of the same problems. Buick sedans don't sell anymore, they will probably be a crossover only brand in the USA once their Opel tie is gone and the LWB epsilon platform is killed.
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I am all for taking any subsidies away from oil and gas companies, they will find a way to make a profit. I wouldn't subsidize any corporation for that matter, they can sink or swim on their own. I like that there is an EV tax credit, but it is going to expire anyway, so if they take it away then it is only speeding up the process. If we all had vertical take off drones for travel we wouldn't need roads. Then the Government wouldn't have to spend money paving them. But I have always said if you want to inspire EV sales, raise the gas tax.
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Only the 2019 Audi A8 has 48 volt, can't find any fuel economy numbers for it yet though. I know you don't just add 2 peak numbers. The current Benz plug-in hybrid V6 in the GLE and 2014-15 S-class is 436 hp and 479 lb-ft. They say this new one has a boost to the gas and electric motors, I think it is rated at 449 hp in England, but it isn't on sale here so they haven't announced output for it yet.
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Well yeah, they all do. Audi sells like 600,000 cars a year in China. I think the A6 sells 15,000 units a month there vs like 1,500 a month in the USA.
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Correct. I imagine a lot of these 3 row crossovers fall into that category. Because the average family probably can't afford a $45,000 Traverse or Pilot, unless in a lease or 75 month loan, and are they going to own that car in 7 years after purchase to see that loan through? I work in a bank, I just refinanced a car loan for a 2016 Chevy Sonic that was a $19,500 loan and the car is currently worth $10,100 (we use 125% of NADA wholesale), so we had to use a personal loan to pay the rest off. The guy was so far under water because he rolled an underwater loan (form a Ford focus he bought new with a defective transmission) into the Sonic, put no money down, took the loan out for 6 years at a high rate and took out an extended warranty and financed it in too. And this is a sort of common occurrence. And to boot, his payment was $110 a month more on his Chevy Sonic than I pay on my Mercedes E550. I was able to save him $25 a month, not a lot but that's $300 a year, for 5 years, adds up. Well I am not talking about crank windows and 1999 Chevy Cavalier build quality. But what is wrong with the Cruze being $16k base and like $22k loaded? Why are there $28,000 Cruze's ? Why are they trying to make it like the Jetta TDI premium, what is wrong with just being a basic simple car? Doesn't mean it has to be crap.
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Agree. Not to make it too political, but EV's are the future, they are cleaner and more quiet. The technology will get there eventually where EV's are just as cheap to produce as gas cars, and when batteries are cheap, you'll see them take over. I would be in favor of the incentives staying, because they'll run out in a few years anyway. If they cut the incentive, then I don't think it is the end of the world either, because some car makers are closing in on 200,000 sales anyway, and by 2023 the battery tech will even out the price and you won't need the credits anyway. I'd be more concerned about all the EPA cuts and removal of environmental protections.
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Car prices are really high, but consumers keep finding a way to pay for them, so car companies like the high prices. This is why I hate how every car company wants to move up market and put on more content. Nothing wrong with a car selling a basic model if you are a Chevy or Kia sort of brand.
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So on model lines with a V8, GLC (coming soon), C-class, E-class/CLS, S-class, GLE, GLS, G, SL, AMG GT. So 9 model lines, most of which have multiple body styles though. The Mercedes 308 hp turbo 4 is not a plug-in hybrid, it will be their standard 4 to compete against other 2 liter 4's from BMW, Volvo, Cadillac, Audi, etc. They do have a plug-in hybrid C-class 275 hp 443 lb-ft, 0-60 in 5.8 seconds, gas mileage is TBD, but the 2017 was 51 mpg-e. The CT6 powertrain is better. The new S560e has a 31 mile EV range and a 362 hp V6 with a 121 hp electric motor, 0-60 in 4.9 seconds. I think you can get it in Europe in 2018, 2019 model here.
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Agreed with this and REG. People want a new car, they have a $300 or so a month budget, they look at the cost to buy a Camry, are shocked that is $30,000 and the options are low mileage lease, or take out and 75 month car loan. So either they have no car after 3 years and probably owe mileage overage on mileage or they have a car loan in which they pay the car off much slower than it depreciates. And both reasons are why a used or CPO is a good option. And I think the desire to have a crossover only amplifies it, people want a crossover, and even an Escape or Rogue is $30,000 now, on a traditional 4 year car loan is $540 a month, so they go to to those 75 month loans. People need to shop more within their means.
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That is true, but then again Saab didn't do too well. I do like offering a different body style than just a 3 box sedan or a cookie cutter crossover. I don't think the Regal will sell well because of how it is priced, the GS is $40k, and there are V6 sedans with more power than it for $30k. And it is a crossover world, same deal, there are V6 crossovers for Regal money that people will flock to.
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The Model S costs near $100,000, if the Bolt at $40k was a sedan, sales would go up big. And I know this because Tesla has 400,000 people waiting to buy a Model 3 sedan, imagine if someone else put a $40k EV sedan out now, they could clean up. Mercedes is missing the boat here too, they are 2 years away from an electric crossover and sedan hitting the market.
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It is, and all the off lease SUVs they have are probably getting a good return since SUVs are in high demand.
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Model by model though, the CTS-V outpowers the E63, the C63 outpowers the ATS-V. S560 outpowers any CT6, GLS550 outpowers Escalade, don't even need AMG engines for those. If you just want to compare 4 cylinder to 4 cylinder, MB will fix that in 2018 with the 308 hp 48 volt turbo 4, there is an E400 with 329 hp, 354 lb-ft that is way more torque than a Cadillac 3.6 V6. They have 3 body styles of E400, sedan joining soon. Cadillac has 2 models with a V8, Mercedes has 20-some, I wouldn't call Cadillac the superior performance brand.
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I get that some want space and features, so in that comparison the XTS makes sense to them. You can get a V6, space and heated/cooled seats in a LaCrosse at $40k also, but people want the Cadillac badge or upgraded interior trim, just as people will pay more for a German car due to individual buyer preferences. But the XTS averaged 1400 sales a month last year, and is down 20% this year which is about 1100 a month, so to hit 2,200 in one month seems odd unless there was a fleet deal is all I am saying.
